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Post by rmz19 on Jun 28, 2015 16:28:54 GMT
Hi all! Which of these latest Hybrid Double Deckers do you personally prefer? Feel free to list your choices in order and justify them My personal choice is the ADL MMC E40H. It's my favourite out of all because of that epic exhaust noise when accelerating at full power, I find its design visually appealing and ergonomic. The absence of that hideous rear overhang which plagues the B5LHs enables for a symmetrical exterior and it has a quick pace. The ADL MMC E40H pretty much possesses all the aspects I like. At second place is the ADL Euro 6 E40H. Again that epic exhaust noise, all round symmetrical design and quick pace. Also, its slightly extended wheelbase further compliments its appeal despite the arguably outdated design in general. It was difficult to decide between the Wright Gemini 3 B5LH and the ADL MMC B5LH for the third spot, but it's taken by the former. Sorry for sounding like a broken record here...but that rear overhang I'm not fond of the mismatched windows either. On the other hand, its design is sleek and very appealing, especially the London United variant with the slightly redesigned black surrounds at the rear. It has the best ride of all, but that's not to say the others don't as they're also great. However, it's conventional sibling and the StreetDeck (before the redesign) look perfect IMO. In contrast to the E40H, the gearing system ruins its otherwise quick pace, its sound is nothing special either. Fourth place is the ADL MMC B5LH. All of the negative points mentioned above apply to this. I never expected a B5LH variant of the MMC, but when it was recently released I was slightly let down, I guess it's safe to say that I somewhat dislike the B5LH chassis. It's a shame as I'm really fond of its general aesthetic appearance, what would be perfect is a Wright Gemini 3 with an E40H chassis!
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Post by Nathan on Jun 28, 2015 17:21:50 GMT
You forgot the Gemini 2/B5LH bus And seriously...why do people like the MMC so much? It's ugly, and the integral hybrid version of the bus is WAY too loud for my liking.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 28, 2015 17:26:27 GMT
You forgot the Gemini 2/B5LH bus And seriously...why do people like the MMC so much? It's ugly, and the integral hybrid version of the bus is WAY too loud for my liking. The MMC is not ugly at all. It's innovative, grand design especially compared to the Gemini 3. Tbh, the louder the bus the more exciting it is. So it's the ADL E40H MMC for me . Luckily I have them all around me .
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Post by Nathan on Jun 28, 2015 17:31:10 GMT
You forgot the Gemini 2/B5LH bus And seriously...why do people like the MMC so much? It's ugly, and the integral hybrid version of the bus is WAY too loud for my liking. The MMC is not ugly at all. It's innovative, grand design especially compared to the Gemini 3. Tbh, the louder the bus the more exciting it is. So it's the ADL E40H MMC for me . Luckily I have them all around me . The bus is ugly, especially the shape of the rear. I don't know what they tried doing in that part. I didn't like the Gemini 3 at first but then grew to like them. But with the MMC its not really the same case this time round. I do like the original Euro VI E40H though. It's more aesthetic, and its not as loud as the MMC.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 28, 2015 17:37:45 GMT
The MMC is not ugly at all. It's innovative, grand design especially compared to the Gemini 3. Tbh, the louder the bus the more exciting it is. So it's the ADL E40H MMC for me . Luckily I have them all around me . The bus is ugly, especially the shape of the rear. I don't know what they tried doing in that part. I didn't like the Gemini 3 at first but then grew to like them. But with the MMC its not really the same case this time round. I do like the original Euro VI E40H though. It's more aesthetic, and its not as loud as the MMC. The rear of the MMC is so much better than the original Enviro 400H rear - the silly blind box in the top left corner looked cheap IMO and I didn't like the small non openable window at the upstairs rear. The longer upstairs rear window looks so much better and the blind box is back in the right position. The Gemini 3 is still ugly for me. As for loudness, all the best buses are loud - Olympians, Titans, Metrobuses, Tridents, DB250's, Euro II Darts, etc.
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Post by rmz19 on Jun 28, 2015 21:31:13 GMT
You forgot the Gemini 2/B5LH bus And seriously...why do people like the MMC so much? It's ugly, and the integral hybrid version of the bus is WAY too loud for my liking. This poll concerns new/latest Hybrid DDs hence why I didn't include the Gemini 2 B5LH. I guess this is a subjective matter, but I personally like the look of the E40H MMC, it's much more appealing than the predecessor and I like the way ADL futureproofed the design.
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Post by Jack on Jun 28, 2015 21:34:18 GMT
#TeamMMC
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 21:43:06 GMT
Definity ADL MMC E40H - The 177's look sooooo good
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Post by vjaska on Jun 28, 2015 22:14:41 GMT
The MMC Intregal Hybrid for me - it just beats the ADL Enviro 400H due to its better rear layout.
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Post by Green Kitten on Jun 28, 2015 22:21:34 GMT
Ranking the ones I've ridden on: 1. MMC Integral 2. Enviro 400H 3. Gemini 3/B5LH The MMC wins due to improved body compared to the original - dare I say that the MMC looks marginally better than the New Routemaster, aesthetically speaking. The ADL hybrid chassis is brilliant on Euro 6, with brilliant rides on the 49 I've had on Abellio's brilliant examples. The original Enviro400 still looks good (though I do agree with Vjaska about the rear blind placement - everything looks better centered). The MMC is better and doesn't look strange with only one tree deflector, which unfortunately some operators have chosen with the original Enviro400, making the buses look incomplete and awkward. As for the Wright B5LH, they're not nearly as exciting as the ADL hybrid - to be honest they sound rather dull and different to Gemini 2s on B5LH. The Gemini 3 body is a downgrade from the almost perfect Gemini 2 - as the top deck is raised compared to its predecessor, the bus feels too bottom heavy and more cramped on the top deck. It's still an alright bus though, and I do like the rear of it better than the Gemini 2, very stylish! The less said about the other face, however, the better. Thankfully none of the operators are convinced about the new face and are sticking with the original! I have yet to ride on a B5LH MMC and probably won't do so for a long time (I haven't ranked them for this reason), but I saw a couple of videos of rides on the buses, they sound rather different to the Gemini 3 B5LHs. Now, if only Scania/MCV/Optare could consider producing London-spec hybrid double deckers ;D - ADL and Wrights becomes boring rather quickly.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jun 29, 2015 0:12:44 GMT
Torn between the B5LH MMC and the Gemini 3. I prefer the B5LH version over the ADL MMC as it's a tad boring and I think the pre MMC Euro VI are better though the smaller window, larger bonnet and blind layout does (although this is a problem on all of them, especially the Euro IV ones) spoil the rear design.
The E40H MMC has the advantage of a full hight rear row of seats unlike the B5LH/Gemini 3 which has a poor rear seat design, having a low ceiling and a lot of 'short' floor between the gangway and the rearmost offside seats. However the build quality and the number of (admittedly small) squeaks and rattles is enough to put me off. Hopefully I'll get the opportunity to ride on 2400/10301-7/Reading/Brookesbus etc. and then I can deliver a verdict on the true E400 MMC.
The design of the Gemini 3 has grown on me and the quality of build on the Wright products I believe is more superior against that of Transbus/ADL. The Gemini designs (and even the original E400) still don't look outdated even after more than a decade of existence. I will be using the Gemini 3 quite a lot in the future*, hence why I've reluctantly decided to go for that as my vote.
*assuming LU still like them and the 65, 111 and 267 get new buses
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Post by rmz19 on Jun 29, 2015 0:35:24 GMT
Now, if only Scania/MCV/Optare could consider producing London-spec hybrid double deckers ;D - ADL and Wrights becomes boring rather quickly. Now this would make London a much better place if these are in production
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 2:37:02 GMT
Now, if only Scania/MCV/Optare could consider producing London-spec hybrid double deckers ;D - ADL and Wrights becomes boring rather quickly. Now this would make London a much better place if these are in production Don't MCV already have a London spec Decker available on B5LH chassis?
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Post by rmz19 on Jun 29, 2015 10:45:12 GMT
Now this would make London a much better place if these are in production Don't MCV already have a London spec Decker available on B5LH chassis? I believe MCVs were available with the B9TL chassis in London as demonstrators a while back, it's also available with the B5TL at present but I'm not sure whether London will get them or not. Hopefully they will be produced with the E40H chassis, or dare I say it even the B5LH chassis As long as the MCVs are back again gracing the streets of London.
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Post by zebedee104 on Jun 29, 2015 15:35:05 GMT
i think it depends on the livery with the MMC i personally think the brighton and hove ones look awful but the stagecoach national livery suits it very well ... except Brighton & Hove have no MMCs. They're Wright Streetdecks.
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