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Post by snoggle on Sept 18, 2015 21:53:52 GMT
At least any new NBfL's will actually have working aircon? Snoggle - have you got conclusive proof that the design is owned by TfL? MayorWatch is reporting that that this has come out as a falsehood, and existing custoer agents are to be defunded. On the basis that TfL released a load of papers to the London Assembly then it certainly is the case that TfL do NOT own the design despite forking out £11m of public money. TfL gains a licence from Wrightbus to use the design with other manufacturers once Wrights have supplied 1,000 buses. As it looks to be (almost) impossible that TfL will ever be allowed to order further buses then we're stuck with having flushed £11m down a drain in Northern Ireland for something we will never own. Throw in circa £300m for the buses plus £2m for opening windows and we're certainly doing well in the value for money stakes. Still Mr Kahn has decided to make his position clear.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 18, 2015 21:57:54 GMT
At least any new NBfL's will actually have working aircon? Snoggle - have you got conclusive proof that the design is owned by TfL? MayorWatch is reporting that that this has come out as a falsehood, and existing custoer agents are to be defunded. On the basis that TfL released a load of papers to the London Assembly then it certainly is the case that TfL do NOT own the design despite forking out £11m of public money. TfL gains a licence from Wrightbus to use the design with other manufacturers once Wrights have supplied 1,000 buses. As it looks to be (almost) impossible that TfL will ever be allowed to order further buses then we're stuck with having flushed £11m down a drain in Northern Ireland for something we will never own. Throw in circa £300m for the buses plus £2m for opening windows and we're certainly doing well in the value for money stakes. Still Mr Kahn has decided to make his position clear. He still doesn't get my vote which is quite sad as I long had a view of him as one of the better politicians but some of the thing's I've heard him say since entering the Mayoral race I'm really not convinced by. I'm finding this mayoral race to be very difficult in choosing a candidate but of course, still a long way to go and anything could change.
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Post by Red Dragon on Sept 19, 2015 16:31:43 GMT
existing custoer agents are to be defunded. T.R. is looking at this with joy
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Post by T.R. on Sept 19, 2015 16:47:58 GMT
existing custoer agents are to be defunded. T.R. is looking at this with joy Hmm. That would suck. But I suppose it's inevitable.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 5, 2015 9:50:42 GMT
"A change to the formal licensed designation from NBfL to NRM occurred from LT517, thus formalizing the ’New Routemaster’ name."
Source - online LOTS
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Post by John tuthill on Oct 5, 2015 10:03:11 GMT
"A change to the formal licensed designation from NBfL to NRM occurred from LT517, thus formalizing the ’New Routemaster’ name." Source - online LOTS 'Sure it's not 'Naff Routemaster?'
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Post by sid on Oct 5, 2015 11:05:39 GMT
"A change to the formal licensed designation from NBfL to NRM occurred from LT517, thus formalizing the ’New Routemaster’ name." Source - online LOTS 'Sure it's not 'Naff Routemaster?'
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Post by ohdear on Jul 8, 2016 17:30:21 GMT
Anyone seen the report that the fuel for the Borismaster was £2m more than estimated.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 8, 2016 18:22:46 GMT
Anyone seen the report that the fuel for the Borismaster was £2m more than estimated. I love your username mate - When I saw the thread title read "More NB4Ls or not? ohdear" it was like even ProBoards are sick of the d*mn things I think the extra fuel has been because the wretched things have their 'generators' on all the time which is quite thirsty work. No matter how small the engine is, revving the nuts off it will burn a hole in your pocket eventually. I think even if they stick them on the B5LH chassis, the damage has been done. No one will buy them in the Provinces seeing how costly repairs to the unique bodywork is, and still no opening windows
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Post by John tuthill on Jul 8, 2016 18:40:58 GMT
Anyone seen the report that the fuel for the Borismaster was £2m more than estimated. And who will end up paying for it?
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 8, 2016 19:12:49 GMT
I think even if they stick them on the B5LH chassis, the damage has been done. No one will buy them in the Provinces seeing how costly repairs to the unique bodywork is, and still no opening windows While I can see how repairs to the rear of an NBfL (as is currently being carried out to LT142) could be costly as it is a large structural part of the body, the rear of the SRM is very similar to the Gemini 3 / StreetDeck body other than being more rounded and not having a lower deck rear window due to the ventilation system. Several interior parts (flooring, stairs, etc) have also been replaced with more standard, less expensive versions on the SRM. Much of the body is also identical to either the Gemini 3 or NBfL so availability and cost of non-standard parts should not be so much of an issue either. There is already a provincial customer for the City so I doubt there will be no orders for SRMs from outside London. It was also reported when the SRM was unveiled that there are proposals to fit opening windows to the design (though we don't yet know if London Sovereign's batch will be modified).
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Post by snoggle on Jul 8, 2016 19:48:44 GMT
Anyone seen the report that the fuel for the Borismaster was £2m more than estimated. Yes - I commented [1] and tweeted about this. It's in the TfL Q4 Financial and Operational report (page 17 of the report / 34 of the pdf) where TfL have reported on financial variances against budget. A material change of £2m in the Surface Transport budget is attributed to poorer than expected fuel consumption on the NB4Ls. I can only assume that operators are told by TfL to price their bids for NB4L operated / to be converted routes on an assumed fuel consumption performance. To the extent that the vehicles are worse than this then I assume TfL have agreed to underwrite any extra costs the operators incur. This is precisely the sort of thing I thought would happen when TfL are responsible for the vehicle, its performance and any deviation from assumped performance. When the operator's decide on what bus to buy the risk sits with them and however they decide to offset the risk in their commercial decisions over their fleet and how they buy / lease the vehicles. [1] tangytango.proboards.com/post/335868 If only people read the "nonsense" I post to the Forum.
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Post by ohdear on Jul 8, 2016 22:45:25 GMT
Thanks snoggle - yes the source you quoted was where I read about. What I would like to see is a comparison of the various hybrids. Up to now the Borismaster has been able to get away with comparison with the previous buses on the route
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Post by snoggle on Jul 8, 2016 23:06:50 GMT
Thanks snoggle - yes the source you quoted was where I read about. What I would like to see is a comparison of the various hybrids. Up to now the Borismaster has been able to get away with comparison with the previous buses on the route Mike Weston usually attends a conference every year where developments in vehicle techology are a key topic. His presentations usually end up on the web somehow and there have been fuel / emission comparison numbers in those slides. I searched a few weeks ago and couldn't see a recent presentation. May need to check again in a few weeks. However it may be too early for TfL to say anything meaningful about hybrid MMCs, the BYD electric deckers and the MMC virtual electric buses. There may be some reasonable data about the single deck electric buses - BYD, Irizar, Optare - to allow reasonable comment. I doubt the NB4L will be receiving the glorious headlines of the past as no one at City Hall supports it any more. I also heard this week a couple of interesting remarks about what key TfL people really thought about the NB4L idea - let's say they weren't "glowing".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 23:28:13 GMT
Thanks snoggle - yes the source you quoted was where I read about. What I would like to see is a comparison of the various hybrids. Up to now the Borismaster has been able to get away with comparison with the previous buses on the route Mike Weston usually attends a conference every year where developments in vehicle techology are a key topic. His presentations usually end up on the web somehow and there have been fuel / emission comparison numbers in those slides. I searched a few weeks ago and couldn't see a recent presentation. May need to check again in a few weeks. However it may be too early for TfL to say anything meaningful about hybrid MMCs, the BYD electric deckers and the MMC virtual electric buses. There may be some reasonable data about the single deck electric buses - BYD, Irizar, Optare - to allow reasonable comment. I doubt the NB4L will be receiving the glorious headlines of the past as no one at City Hall supports it any more. I also heard this week a couple of interesting remarks about what key TfL people really thought about the NB4L idea - let's say they weren't "glowing". Bit of a shambles. Can anyone realistically see any existing LT route get awarded a second time round with existing LT operation ? Am I right in saying thus far only the 10,11,38 & 148 have been given a 5-7 year extension using existing buses ?
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