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Post by danorak on Sept 2, 2015 18:14:15 GMT
Let's not squabble about the LTs on this thread as well - I'm not sure I could plough through all that again. I am sure the estimable Diamond Geezer will have something interesting to say on his blog about this - his entry for July 7th touches on the 25's diversion. Have you got a link please so I can read his blog when I've got a few spare mins? diamondgeezer.blogspot.co.ukDG is a Bow resident so is documenting the changes caused by the cycle superhighway works. There's an archive of about 10 years posts now on all manner of subjects, often transport related. I'd say it's an essential read for any Londoner.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 19:36:30 GMT
I personally don't like where the 25 kicks you off at Bank as you only have a choice of the 8 to continue your journey towards Oxford Circus.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 2, 2015 20:04:04 GMT
I personally don't like where the 25 kicks you off at Bank as you only have a choice of the 8 to continue your journey towards Oxford Circus. I don't know the precise stop the 25 kicks you off at but surely you also have the 242 alongside the 8? They parallel each other from Shoreditch High St to TCR. There's no bus other than the 25 at Bank to Oxford Circus courtesy of all the temporary cut backs which means the 8 only reaches TCR.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 20:10:21 GMT
I personally don't like where the 25 kicks you off at Bank as you only have a choice of the 8 to continue your journey towards Oxford Circus. I don't know the precise stop the 25 kicks you off at but surely you also have the 242 alongside the 8? They parallel each other from Shoreditch High St to TCR. There's no bus other than the 25 at Bank to Oxford Circus courtesy of all the temporary cut backs which means the 8 only reaches TCR. I believe the last stop for the 25 is Cornhill. So actually don't even have the 8 - just remembered that's why I always walk to the next stop to give me the 8,25,242.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2015 21:47:33 GMT
Have you got a link please so I can read his blog when I've got a few spare mins? diamondgeezer.blogspot.co.ukDG is a Bow resident so is documenting the changes caused by the cycle superhighway works. There's an archive of about 10 years posts now on all manner of subjects, often transport related. I'd say it's an essential read for any Londoner. Thanks very much.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 22:15:55 GMT
It's a nobrainer.
Absolutely shocking that the two bus lanes were ripped out along Stratford High Street when there is ample amount of pavement space that could have been used.
This proposal is basically to rectify what was poor foresight from TfL. It should never have come to this. The majority of the corridor between Stratford and Aldgate has masses of pavement space which could be used for dedicated cycle lanes.
I can understand this attempt to reduce car journeys in London, which is applaudible, but not everybody wants to and can cycle. Whatever happened to bus priority measures that were once the word of the day in the early 2000s? Or in all the recent noise and fanfare caused by cyclists, and "go go green power" has TfL forgotten that buses are a critcal part of London's transport backbone. Speed our bus services up please by providing more dedicated infrastructure, not siphon bus lanes away!
Perhaps someone from the TfL cycle team should step away from their fancy CAD packages showing swervy hipped women walking down the street sporting their latest Gucci handbags, green trees swaying ever so gently in the wind, the latest architectural marvels of London's latest skyscrapers and take a step out into the real world to witness first hand how carnage these cycle schemes are cursing many of London's bus users. Users who TfL convientely seem to have forgotten after the razzmatazz of the "year of the bus".
I'm all for green, I'm all for cycling (I cycle myself), but I'm also for public transport, and the current cycling schemes only benefit (Even this is arguable, aka Bow Roundabout) one group of users, and it's most certainly not the glum faces on bus route 25.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 2, 2015 23:21:57 GMT
It's a nobrainer. Absolutely shocking that the two bus lanes were ripped out along Stratford High Street when there is ample amount of pavement space that could have been used. This proposal is basically to rectify what was poor foresight from TfL. It should never have come to this. The majority of the corridor between Stratford and Aldgate has masses of pavement space which could be used for dedicated cycle lanes. I can understand this attempt to reduce car journeys in London, which is applaudible, but not everybody wants to and can cycle. Whatever happened to bus priority measures that were once the word of the day in the early 2000s? Or in all the recent noise and fanfare caused by cyclists, and "go go green power" has TfL forgotten that buses are a critcal part of London's transport backbone. Speed our bus services up please by providing more dedicated infrastructure, not siphon bus lanes away! Perhaps someone from the TfL cycle team should step away from their fancy CAD packages showing swervy hipped women walking down the street sporting their latest Gucci handbags, green trees swaying ever so gently in the wind, the latest architectural marvels of London's latest skyscrapers and take a step out into the real world to witness first hand how carnage these cycle schemes are cursing many of London's bus users. Users who TfL convientely seem to have forgotten after the razzmatazz of the "year of the bus". I'm all for green, I'm all for cycling (I cycle myself), but I'm also for public transport, and the current cycling schemes only benefit (Even this is arguable, aka Bow Roundabout) one group of users, and it's most certainly not the glum faces on bus route 25. I travelled between Stratford and Bow today on a 276. It was heaving full and there loads of people waiting for buses on Stratford Broadway. I saw one cyclist using the vast expanses of cycle superhighway. It just felt like an enormous waste of money as people making short shopping trips - ideal for conversion to cycling - simply don't / won't / can't cycle. Ironically the bus continued through various bits of Hackney where there were far more cyclists despite little or no segregated infrastructure. Makes me wonder what's going on - I know Hackney Council have some controversial views about cycling infrastructure. I understand the need to "do something" about Bow Roundabout and other dangerous junctions but the money spent in Newham seems to have been a waste and worse, of such poor build quality in places, it's already been torn up and rebuilt (parts of the CSH flood because the drainage doesn't work). I do agree with you that the bus network is effectively going backwards in terms of performance and quality. It feels like the unloved child that sits sulking and neglected in the corner while the money is splashed on "big projects" like "Road Modernisation" and Cycle Priority which are "sexier" and easier to publicise. Year of the Bus was a con trick and "smoke and mirrors" to create an impression something was happening when in reality nothing of any substance was. Even TfL's own justification for it was as limp as a damp lettuce as was their explanation of its "success" (when asked about this in a Mayor's Question).
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Post by routew15 on Sept 2, 2015 23:50:37 GMT
I don't know the precise stop the 25 kicks you off at but surely you also have the 242 alongside the 8? They parallel each other from Shoreditch High St to TCR. There's no bus other than the 25 at Bank to Oxford Circus courtesy of all the temporary cut backs which means the 8 only reaches TCR. I believe the last stop for the 25 is Cornhill. So actually don't even have the 8 - just remembered that's why I always walk to the next stop to give me the 8,25,242. It definitely is the Cornhill side of Bank. Which (in my opinion) has to be one of the most annoying curtailment points in the City. The 25 could easily serve the next stop to create better connections for passengers, especially seeing as though the next Oxford Circus 25 is 6-8 mins behind. The next stop is also called Bank so I don't actually see the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 0:04:31 GMT
It's a nobrainer. Absolutely shocking that the two bus lanes were ripped out along Stratford High Street when there is ample amount of pavement space that could have been used. This proposal is basically to rectify what was poor foresight from TfL. It should never have come to this. The majority of the corridor between Stratford and Aldgate has masses of pavement space which could be used for dedicated cycle lanes. I can understand this attempt to reduce car journeys in London, which is applaudible, but not everybody wants to and can cycle. Whatever happened to bus priority measures that were once the word of the day in the early 2000s? Or in all the recent noise and fanfare caused by cyclists, and "go go green power" has TfL forgotten that buses are a critcal part of London's transport backbone. Speed our bus services up please by providing more dedicated infrastructure, not siphon bus lanes away! Perhaps someone from the TfL cycle team should step away from their fancy CAD packages showing swervy hipped women walking down the street sporting their latest Gucci handbags, green trees swaying ever so gently in the wind, the latest architectural marvels of London's latest skyscrapers and take a step out into the real world to witness first hand how carnage these cycle schemes are cursing many of London's bus users. Users who TfL convientely seem to have forgotten after the razzmatazz of the "year of the bus". I'm all for green, I'm all for cycling (I cycle myself), but I'm also for public transport, and the current cycling schemes only benefit (Even this is arguable, aka Bow Roundabout) one group of users, and it's most certainly not the glum faces on bus route 25. I travelled between Stratford and Bow today on a 276. It was heaving full and there loads of people waiting for buses on Stratford Broadway. I saw one cyclist using the vast expanses of cycle superhighway. It just felt like an enormous waste of money as people making short shopping trips - ideal for conversion to cycling - simply don't / won't / can't cycle. Ironically the bus continued through various bits of Hackney where there were far more cyclists despite little or no segregated infrastructure. Makes me wonder what's going on - I know Hackney Council have some controversial views about cycling infrastructure. I understand the need to "do something" about Bow Roundabout and other dangerous junctions but the money spent in Newham seems to have been a waste and worse, of such poor build quality in places, it's already been torn up and rebuilt (parts of the CSH flood because the drainage doesn't work). I do agree with you that the bus network is effectively going backwards in terms of performance and quality. It feels like the unloved child that sits sulking and neglected in the corner while the money is splashed on "big projects" like "Road Modernisation" and Cycle Priority which are "sexier" and easier to publicise. Year of the Bus was a con trick and "smoke and mirrors" to create an impression something was happening when in reality nothing of any substance was. Even TfL's own justification for it was as limp as a damp lettuce as was their explanation of its "success" (when asked about this in a Mayor's Question). Well said. It's says a lot when you are prepared to rip up and deny any additional infrastructure for London's busiest bus route, 25. If you can neglect the 25, then heaven help the rest of the network. 25 is a route that should receive additional bus lanes, extend bus lane operating hours and enforcement (especially between Ilford and Manor Park), traffic signal support etc. instead we are talking about skipping a few bus stops as a remedial to the havoc created by removing bus infrastructure. Shocking. Will be interesting to see what plans TfL has for the 25 when crossrail comes along. My money is on that they will rip it to shreds and carve multiple routes that don't quite achieve what the customer requires. Then, in the same manner of more recent route restructures (aka 5, 87, 374, the mess that would have been the 13, don't forget what a palava TfL made of the 54 vs Tramlink) that have gone wrong, spend forever conducting timetable tweaks and slight frequency uplifts to rectify the disaster. That's all without reinstating the service to its former glory as that would be an admittance of defeat.
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Post by routew15 on Sept 3, 2015 1:00:18 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 3, 2015 7:19:19 GMT
It's a no brainer, hopefully it goes ahead. Those two bus stops are hardly used anyway. i agree the amount of time that is lost there is crazy.a sensible idea could it be to soften the blow of the LTs maybe taking over? Well that is the price we pay for our wonderful cyclists traffic management at the roundabout.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 3, 2015 7:20:44 GMT
Why would that be a blow that needs to be softened? In exchange for hot, low capacity lumps, route 25 users can look forward to a 1-2 minute reduction in journey times.. Which is fair IMO. 1-2 mins at night, around 5-8 mins during the day. It is horrible going across there ever since they did the cyclist traffic light scheme a few years ago.
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Post by mondraker275 on Sept 3, 2015 9:35:05 GMT
Many years before all this cycle infrastructure or plans came in the local area, I was calling for ALL buses to use the flyover because of the peak traffic costing upto 10 minutes at times just to serve a few low usage bus stops (McDonald stops is so close to previous stop as well). So I am partially happy with this. I know there will be a few that will have to walk a minute or two to a nearby bus stop, but they will also save time on the bus journey, and have a net gain. Removing all buses would mean having a hundred odd fewer buses on the roundabout an hour, meaning less large vehicles for cyclists and pedestrians to negotiate, a win for all. Things I am not happy about: 1) Marshgate Lane bus stop could have been moved down further east. When they consulted on the segregated cycle lanes ('seg-cy lanes' for short), and had the intention to remove bus lanes, I suggested to them for the billionth time for the buses to use the flyover to save on time losses. I also said to them to move the Marshgate lane bus stop further east so they could have still served buses coming from the flyover. Obviously they cannot do that now. 2) Why just the 25??? What about the journey times on the 276, 425 and D8? I can already see people in the long term switching onto the 25 to save time. How does that help overcrowding on the 25.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 3, 2015 12:17:11 GMT
Many years before all this cycle infrastructure or plans came in the local area, I was calling for ALL buses to use the flyover because of the peak traffic costing upto 10 minutes at times just to serve a few low usage bus stops (McDonald stops is so close to previous stop as well). So I am partially happy with this. I know there will be a few that will have to walk a minute or two to a nearby bus stop, but they will also save time on the bus journey, and have a net gain. Removing all buses would mean having a hundred odd fewer buses on the roundabout an hour, meaning less large vehicles for cyclists and pedestrians to negotiate, a win for all. Things I am not happy about: 1) Marshgate Lane bus stop could have been moved down further east. When they consulted on the segregated cycle lanes ('seg-cy lanes' for short), and had the intention to remove bus lanes, I suggested to them for the billionth time for the buses to use the flyover to save on time losses. I also said to them to move the Marshgate lane bus stop further east so they could have still served buses coming from the flyover. Obviously they cannot do that now. 2) Why just the 25??? What about the journey times on the 276, 425 and D8? I can already see people in the long term switching onto the 25 to save time. How does that help overcrowding on the 25. You will still have buses serving the roundabout even after moving the 276, 425 & D8. The 8 & 108 serve the roundabout in both directions where using the flyover isn't possible - I'm sure the 108 serves Bow Roundabout twice towards Lewisham and if so, it would have to use the roundabout on the second occasion.
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Post by routew15 on Sept 7, 2015 16:14:30 GMT
The page is saying currently unavailable again...?
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