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Post by towerman on Sept 4, 2015 12:37:39 GMT
Most codes are recognisable from the areas they're in eg WH,NS BK,why are some codes nothing like their area eg T-Leyton,AP-Seven Kings & W-Cricklewood.Wouldn't LN,SK & CW ben better?
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Post by Jack on Sept 4, 2015 12:52:20 GMT
Some have "historic" values, e.g. "AH" for Metroline Brentford is "Armchair House" going back to the Armchair days of operation
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Post by snoggle on Sept 4, 2015 12:53:35 GMT
Most codes are recognisable from the areas they're in eg WH,NS BK,why are some codes nothing like their area eg T-Leyton,AP-Seven Kings & W-Cricklewood.Wouldn't LN,SK & CW ben better? the codes are very very long standing in many cases and date back to the predecessor companies of London Transport like the General Omnibus company. Why change something that is long recognised and has historical signficance for London's bus history. They are codes after all and don't have to follow a specific view of "neatness" or "logic". www.self-preservation-society.co.uk/jotter/garagecodes.htmwww.londonbusroutes.net/garages.htm |
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Post by RT3062 on Sept 4, 2015 12:54:53 GMT
Most codes are recognisable from the areas they're in eg WH,NS BK,why are some codes nothing like their area eg T-Leyton,AP-Seven Kings & W-Cricklewood.Wouldn't LN,SK & CW ben better? back in LT days they started with A and then worked from there thats why some such as the ones you mentioned are not recognisible such as Q for camberwell |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Sept 4, 2015 13:14:58 GMT
Most codes are recognisable from the areas they're in eg WH,NS BK,why are some codes nothing like their area eg T-Leyton,AP-Seven Kings & W-Cricklewood.Wouldn't LN,SK & CW ben better? back in LT days they started with A and then worked from there thats why some such as the ones you mentioned are not recognisible such as Q for camberwell I think the 'ABC system' was used by LGOC in the early 20th century. The other system was used by Thomas Tilling, thus TB is "Tilling Bromley", TC is "Tilling Croydon" and TL is "Tilling Lewisham". TF I'm guessing is "Tellings Fulwell" |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 4, 2015 13:17:41 GMT
Like the jumbled up nature of prefix routes, I'm quite fond of the jumbled up nature of garage codes - always nice to have remnants of history knocking around.
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Post by T.R. on Sept 4, 2015 13:36:51 GMT
Meanwhile DX (Barking) stood for Dix Coaches who were then purchased by Grey Green.
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Post by John tuthill on Sept 5, 2015 13:07:04 GMT
back in LT days they started with A and then worked from there thats why some such as the ones you mentioned are not recognisible such as Q for camberwell I think the 'ABC system' was used by LGOC in the early 20th century. The other system was used by Thomas Tilling, thus TB is "Tilling Bromley", TC is "Tilling Croydon" and TL is "Tilling Lewisham". TF I'm guessing is "Tellings Fulwell" There is an old (1973) publication, you might look out for at garage open days. "The London Motor Bus" bt j. Graeme Bruce & CH Curtis, is a good not too technical history of London buses upto the DMS. In it, under garage codes they state: "The L.G.O.C. garages which existed before 1913 were given codes from 'A' to 'Y' During the years between 1912 and 1914 new garages were given further codes suffixed by the letter 'A' (e.g. AC,AE, AK.) After 1920 all new garage codes were usually some form of contraction of the garage name (e.g. AW,BN,CF)" |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 13:37:23 GMT
BT - Borehamwood Travel
SO - Sovereign
WK ( aka HH) - Westlink
One I really can't work out is TV ??
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 6, 2015 15:20:29 GMT
One I really can't work out is TV ?? Maybe something to do with the garage opening when LU was owned by Transde v? |
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Post by paulsw2 on Sept 6, 2015 15:58:23 GMT
One I really can't work out is TV ?? Maybe something to do with the garage opening when LU was owned by Transde v? Tolworth Vale perhaps |
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Post by danorak on Sept 6, 2015 20:19:02 GMT
Most codes are recognisable from the areas they're in eg WH,NS BK,why are some codes nothing like their area eg T-Leyton,AP-Seven Kings & W-Cricklewood.Wouldn't LN,SK & CW ben better? the codes are very very long standing in many cases and date back to the predecessor companies of London Transport like the General Omnibus company. Why change something that is long recognised and has historical signficance for London's bus history. They are codes after all and don't have to follow a specific view of "neatness" or "logic". www.self-preservation-society.co.uk/jotter/garagecodes.htmwww.londonbusroutes.net/garages.htmThere is also the unusual case of Ash Grove which seems to have gained a new code for every occupant down the years (AG, CH, HK and AE). |
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 16, 2015 21:50:47 GMT
AH (Brentford) comes from Armchair House, Armchair being the firm Metroline bought a few years ago... Still not sure how Tottenham got AR though  |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 21, 2015 23:28:42 GMT
AH (Brentford) comes from Armchair House, Armchair being the firm Metroline bought a few years ago... Still not sure how Tottenham got AR though Taken from above - cut and paste in red below. Hence why Tottenham is [AR] During the years between 1912 and 1914 new garages were given further codes suffixed by the letter 'A' (e.g. AC,AE, AK.)
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 21, 2015 23:45:01 GMT
There is also the unusual case of Ash Grove which seems to have gained a new code for every occupant down the years (AG, CH, HK and AE). I think the case of Ash Grove is to do with the operator at the time. It was originally [AG] until it closed in 1991. [CH] for Cambridge Heath came when Kentish bus operated there in the early 1990's after they vacacted the site where Lea Interchange [LI] is now on Ruckholt Road. When LB opened up the garage again with East Thames Buses in 2000 they used their own code of [AG] When CT PLus, Hackney Community transport went there after 2001 they used [HK] When in 2005 the 38 went Bendy Bus, Arriva had start to operated there with the [AE] code.
I also believe that the original garage area upstairs has not been in use since 1991. It was very spacious, lots of facilities and was similar to Plumstead garage. It now adorns cobwebs, dust, pigeons and flaking paint and roundels.
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