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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2015 18:12:56 GMT
TfL have launched a further stage of consultation on Crossrail 2. The level of detail is much greater this time and well worth looking at if you want to understand what SW branches are being considered, where new stations will be and the worksites. There are also going to be a series of public exhibition / consultation sessions across London during November and December. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/crossrail2/october2015/There are 4 planned SW branches to Epsom, Hampton Court, Shepperton and Chessington South. There is a possible alternative alignment via Balham instead of Tooting Broadway. There are rumoured geological problems at Tooting which is forcing a rethink. There is also now a possible changed alignment in N London via Wood Green instead of via Turnpike Lane and Alexandra Palace. Looks like a money saving exercise (one station instead of two). The tunnel portal worksite at T Hale seems to eat up half the retail park, the business centre to the south and the whole of the scrap metal / recycling site near the GOBLIN line. That'll go down well - NOT!
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Post by vjaska on Oct 27, 2015 18:38:30 GMT
I noticed in the Evening Standard the other day that there are local residents, including actress Felicity Kendall, who are campaigning to scrap King's Road as a stop on the Crossrail 2 line. Something to do with Kensington & Chelsea council getting their figures wrong from what I read.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2015 19:20:31 GMT
I noticed in the Evening Standard the other day that there are local residents, including actress Felicity Kendall, who are campaigning to scrap King's Road as a stop on the Crossrail 2 line. Something to do with Kensington & Chelsea council getting their figures wrong from what I read. I don't think TfL are paying any attention. The Chelsea station and alignment are in the new consultation round. There do appear to have been changes to the proposed worksites and to reduce their number in this area. The simple fact is that this is NIMBYism on the part of wealthy and well known people who don't want a short term hit on their property values, to endure any disruption during construction nor to have more of the "great unwashed" darkening their neighbourhood. Let's face it - it is a part of London that is fairly remote from the tube and rail network and is very heavily reliant on buses. It is also pretty congested and polluted given the greater use of private vehicles and taxis by residents. The wider question is whether the rest of London, as well as the residents of Chelsea, benefit from there being a station in the area. I suspect the answer, on balance, is a yes but this one will run and run I am sure and that there were will be objections if TfL retain a Chelsea station in their plans. Most people would be crying out to gain new high quality transport links.
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Post by routew15 on Oct 27, 2015 19:29:30 GMT
I noticed in the Evening Standard the other day that there are local residents, including actress Felicity Kendall, who are campaigning to scrap King's Road as a stop on the Crossrail 2 line. Something to do with Kensington & Chelsea council getting their figures wrong from what I read. I saw the same article. I'd prefer if the Crossrail 2 didn't stop at Chelsea. But the No Crossrail in Chelsea campaign is quite OTT. Really ...
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2015 22:48:46 GMT
Looking at the station specific info it's interesting that TfL are proposing to use several of their own sites for construction sites or shaft locations. Grant Road bus stand at Clapham Junction would go, Victoria Bus Station would be closed for years during construction, the Public Carriage Office at Angel would go as would part of Victoria Coach Station for an escape shaft. Therefore the impact on bus passengers from the construction work could be very considerable for up to a decade. The scale of works at New Southgate is quite breathtaking as TBMs would be launched from there. They're also proposing to demolish a church at Clapham Junction and Waitrose in Balham (daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllliiiiiinnnnngggggg where will be get our organic eggs and artisan baguettes?) Oh and if they build CR2 at Wood Green the Vue Cinema complex would be flattened.
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Post by COBO on Oct 28, 2015 0:37:50 GMT
I thought that Crossrail 2 was going to go though Harrow.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 28, 2015 2:06:45 GMT
I thought that Crossrail 2 was going to go though Harrow. Crossrail 2 was always meant to go from Wimbledon to Hackney & beyond via Clapham Junction in the beginning
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Post by COBO on Oct 28, 2015 2:10:46 GMT
I thought that Crossrail 2 was going to go though Harrow. Crossrail 2 was always meant to go from Wimbledon to Hackney & beyond via Clapham Junction in the beginning Oh right thanks for the correction.
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Post by T.R. on Oct 28, 2015 22:31:58 GMT
Meanwhile on 38 Degrees a "Save Curzon Soho" movement has cropped up (for the TCR entrance on Shaftesbury Avenue). Is it safe to assume Piccadilly Circus and Sloane Square are permanently out? 5 years ago I'd have benefited hugely from it but I'm still very much in favour. <crayon> How about a Northern Heights branch?</crayon> Something to note is that construction won't start for many years an those already protesting may have already moved on by the time CR2 comes round. (Dare I say the same about HS2?)
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Oct 28, 2015 23:05:54 GMT
Glad the Balham has been chosen rather than Tooting Broadway. Balham has a lot of interchanges like Southern and Tube. Plus it will help the bottleneck there in peaks. I really like the proposals on the whole. A New Southgate to Shepperton line would my ideal route for this.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 28, 2015 23:15:07 GMT
Meanwhile on 38 Degrees a "Save Curzon Soho" movement has cropped up (for the TCR entrance on Shaftesbury Avenue). Is it safe to assume Piccadilly Circus and Sloane Square are permanently out? 5 years ago I'd have benefited hugely from it but I'm still very much in favour. <crayon> How about a Northern Heights branch?</crayon> Something to note is that construction won't start for many years an those already protesting may have already moved on by the time CR2 comes round. (Dare I say the same about HS2?) Well deciding to demolish a cinema on the edge of Soho, and one that carries more unusual films, is never going to pass unnoticed or without protest. I know TfL have to have sites but I do wonder sometimes what they're thinking about. The wider problem is that there is growing concern about the damage to Soho and its long standing culture. The advent of big rail schemes merely worsens that through demolition and disruption and then the inevitable property and land value increases and developers rushing to benefit from the footfall. Of course TfL is now also highly dependent on exploiting the airspace above new stations in order to pay for the new lines. There's no prospect of stations at Sloane Square or Piccadilly Circus. Can you imagine digging up Sloane Square and the outcry over that? What would they demolish to double end the station? Peter Jones? - "run for cover" Based on comments elsewhere there are huge problems with building a CR station at Picc Circus given the depth of the LU station. Any CR station would have to be underneath making construction very difficult but also affecting the profile of the alignment. The lack of a station at Picc Circus and also the vast complexity of a regional CR2 is why I preferred the automatic metro option. The service proposition would be different but simpler and the trains could be of a similar profile and length to Crossrail trains thus offering a lot of capacity. Crossrail 2 has become tied up with solving problems on the Anglia main line, the SWML out of Waterloo and various woes on the tube. I'm still not convinced CR2 has a clear purpose or is the right answer to whatever the problem is but, unfortunately, the politicians have run away with it.
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Post by routew15 on Apr 4, 2016 16:37:31 GMT
"Penge Curve"I know this is an April fools vid but is there any truth to the Penge Curve , which is actually meant to be a thing. Having looked at the National Infrastructure Commission (NIC) Report I can't see any evidence of such a extension, only more information on the potential eastern arm. Just wanted to know if anyone had any information on the "Penge Curve" or if I caught by the ridiculous Londonist prank
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Post by snoggle on Apr 4, 2016 17:16:24 GMT
"Penge Curve"I know this is an April fools vid but is there any truth to the Penge Curve , which is actually meant to be a thing. Having looked at the National Infrastructure Commission (NIC) Report I can't see any evidence of such a extension, only more information on the potential eastern arm. Just wanted to know if anyone had any information on the "Penge Curve" or if I caught by the ridiculous Londonist prank I'd say you were caught. Given how hard Mr G Marshall was pushing "Penge" on 1 April I just studiously ignored absolutely everything they went on about.
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Post by routew15 on Apr 4, 2016 18:58:05 GMT
"Penge Curve"I know this is an April fools vid but is there any truth to the Penge Curve , which is actually meant to be a thing. Having looked at the National Infrastructure Commission (NIC) Report I can't see any evidence of such a extension, only more information on the potential eastern arm. Just wanted to know if anyone had any information on the "Penge Curve" or if I caught by the ridiculous Londonist prank I'd say you were caught. Given how hard Mr G Marshall was pushing "Penge" on 1 April I just studiously ignored absolutely everything they went on about. i don't know what's more annoying being caught out by the prank or the fact that there won't be an additional southern leg to Crossrail 2
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Post by snoggle on Jul 7, 2016 16:16:35 GMT
Crossrail 2 have published a "response to issues raised" from the last round of consultation. Final decisions have not been reached on the route options nor have all station designs / locations been finalised. Some effort is being made to reduce the impact of worksites in a number of locations. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/crossrail2/october2015/user_uploads/rtir.pdf
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