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Post by snoggle on Nov 2, 2015 22:53:07 GMT
That might explain why the tender award is overdue Bonkers timing. TfL issued the tender in May, bids were due in June, and award was supposed to be Sept. Why didn't they hold a consultation prior to calling for bids. More importantly why is there a consultation anyway, although it daftly says TfL are obliged to consult, this is garbage as there is no frequency or route change. There has never been a requirement to consult on using different buses (ever heard of a LT conversion getting a public consultation because the bus type is proposed to change). The 2 newest routes 618 and 619 were introduced without a consultation so TfL don't even consider new routes require consulting on. The revised bus stops might need a consultation, but this isn't a reason to delay the tender award. I can only assume some cast off (from another route) deckers have been proposed by one of the bidders (and Metroline doesn't have a shortage of suitable single decks so is presumably someone else). TfL have previously said they would consult about changes to vehicle types but you are completely right to point out they've been highly selective about this. No consultation about the 173 or 202 going double deck! I suspect the 618/9 are in response to chronic overcrowding on routes that can't cope so there's no point in consulting. They didn't consult about the similar 663 in Croydon but did about converting journeys on 665 and 367 then ended up with the 662 and 689 double deck jnys. All a bit inconsistent. I agree that this consultation is really quite bizarre but then we did have the ""fait accompli" we've already put the route number on the new stop" U5 extension at Hayes. Given Crossrail is 4 years away so far as Ealing Broadway is concerned and I fully expect a network recast in Ealing, Hayes and Southall anyway this one for the E9 is very odd. The real reason is the Hail and Ride / fixed stops issue and the consultation could have waited until TfL was clear where they wanted to put the stops.
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Post by COBO on Nov 2, 2015 23:46:20 GMT
The E9 going double deck now there is a surprise. I would have thought that routes E6, E7 and the E8 should be converted to double deckers.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Nov 3, 2015 0:09:27 GMT
No reason why E7 can't take DD. The E6 might struggle with parked cars round the back end of hayes as it passes through a housing estate. Yeah, those roads looked tight and that was on a MM lol. The E7 & E8 seem the most logical and straightforward ones to double deck personally whilst it's a crime that the 112 was allowed to continue with single decks. Still, the one I'm waiting for is the 355 - that really does need deckers! The 112 OVERFLOWING in the peaks, busy-ish during the day but it's often empty late evening until end of service. I guess the enhancement on the frequency when Metroline took it back was hoping to clear the overcrowding but I found more and more people took it especially when Deckers ran untill the DEL's came in. I remember driving this with wretched DML's (Marshall bodied and my favourite bus EDR45, which struggled at 24mph and sounded like it was going to explode!)
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Post by snoggle on Nov 3, 2015 0:21:04 GMT
Yeah, those roads looked tight and that was on a MM lol. The E7 & E8 seem the most logical and straightforward ones to double deck personally whilst it's a crime that the 112 was allowed to continue with single decks. Still, the one I'm waiting for is the 355 - that really does need deckers! The 112 OVERFLOWING in the peaks, busy-ish during the day but it's often empty late evening until end of service. I guess the enhancement on the frequency when Metroline took it back was hoping to clear the overcrowding but I found more and more people took it especially when Deckers ran untill the DEL's came in. I remember driving this with wretched DML's (Marshall bodied and my favourite bus EDR45, which struggled at 24mph and sounded like it was going to explode!) The irony is that TfL improved the frequency on the 112 and 232 to ease overcrowding but the better frequencies have, of course, pulled in even more people. Seen both routes recently with buses fully loaded at Brent Cross and elsewhere on line of route (Finchley / New Southgate for the 232). Although I don't use the routes a lot I've used the 112 and 232 for many years and it's quite surprising just how busy the 232 has got compared to the old 112 (Ealing - Palmers Green) of the 80s and 90s. Of course in older times the 112 was dreadfully unreliable, even more so when dear old Pan Atlas ran it. Pan Atlas E328 OMG Palmers Green by plcd1, on Flickr
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Post by stubag on Nov 3, 2015 0:31:42 GMT
Yeah, those roads looked tight and that was on a MM lol. The E7 & E8 seem the most logical and straightforward ones to double deck personally whilst it's a crime that the 112 was allowed to continue with single decks. Still, the one I'm waiting for is the 355 - that really does need deckers! The 112 OVERFLOWING in the peaks, busy-ish during the day but it's often empty late evening until end of service. I guess the enhancement on the frequency when Metroline took it back was hoping to clear the overcrowding but I found more and more people took it especially when Deckers ran untill the DEL's came in. I remember driving this with wretched DML's (Marshall bodied and my favourite bus EDR45, which struggled at 24mph and sounded like it was going to explode!) 112 has always needed double decks. I drove it with single door MVs (favourite buses) and although they were nice buses to drive, loadings were always very heavy. (although I did get away with a OM on a Sunday late shift)
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Post by iranair747 on Nov 3, 2015 23:49:14 GMT
The E9 is not an idea candidate for DD'ing, as I've mentioned to the consultation, however the E7 is ripe and ready to recieve the boost. The frequencies on the E7 is also shocking and needs a look into as during the peaks it is rammed.
I also agree with the E6 requiring DD'ing. When I used to live in Greenford the E6 was rammed even on weekends; I'm very surprised it has lasted this long as a SD.
The 112 is a curious being. It was DD'ed some in 2014 or 2013 (cant remember which) for a short test period for nearly all daily runnings, but it was never permanent and has alas returned to SD. It would do well with a permanent DD'ing, especially with the roadworks currently going on, however it also needs a more frequent service. Many times I have seen passengers refused to be let on by the side of the A406 because it was completely rammed; something I don't wish on my worst enemy!
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Post by vjaska on Nov 3, 2015 23:51:26 GMT
The E9 is not an idea candidate for DD'ing, as I've mentioned to the consultation, however the E7 is ripe and ready to recieve the boost. The frequencies on the E7 is also shocking and needs a look into as during the peaks it is rammed. I also agree with the E6 requiring DD'ing. When I used to live in Greenford the E6 was rammed even on weekends; I'm very surprised it has lasted this long as a SD. The 112 is a curious being. It was DD'ed some in 2014 or 2013 (cant remember which) for a short test period for nearly all daily runnings, but it was never permanent and has alas returned to SD. It would do well with a permanent DD'ing, especially with the roadworks currently going on, however it also needs a more frequent service. Many times I have seen passengers refused to be let on by the side of the A406 because it was completely rammed; something I don't wish on my worst enemy! The 112 was double decked at that time because it's new DEL's were late, really the TA's should of been left on the route As for the E6, whilst it certainly needs a capacity boost, I'm a little unsure as to whether deckers could through the back roads just passed Hayes ASDA.
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Post by stubag on Nov 4, 2015 0:11:48 GMT
The E9 is not an idea candidate for DD'ing, as I've mentioned to the consultation, however the E7 is ripe and ready to recieve the boost. The frequencies on the E7 is also shocking and needs a look into as during the peaks it is rammed. I also agree with the E6 requiring DD'ing. When I used to live in Greenford the E6 was rammed even on weekends; I'm very surprised it has lasted this long as a SD. The 112 is a curious being. It was DD'ed some in 2014 or 2013 (cant remember which) for a short test period for nearly all daily runnings, but it was never permanent and has alas returned to SD. It would do well with a permanent DD'ing, especially with the roadworks currently going on, however it also needs a more frequent service. Many times I have seen passengers refused to be let on by the side of the A406 because it was completely rammed; something I don't wish on my worst enemy! The 112 was double decked at that time because it's new DEL's were late, really the TA's should of been left on the route As for the E6, whilst it certainly needs a capacity boost, I'm a little unsure as to whether deckers could through the back roads just passed Hayes ASDA. Route 195 through the housing estate and the E6 along main road ( like the E6 and E10 swapped routes a few years ago!)
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 4, 2015 9:15:56 GMT
The E9 is not an idea candidate for DD'ing, as I've mentioned to the consultation, however the E7 is ripe and ready to recieve the boost. The frequencies on the E7 is also shocking and needs a look into as during the peaks it is rammed. I also agree with the E6 requiring DD'ing. When I used to live in Greenford the E6 was rammed even on weekends; I'm very surprised it has lasted this long as a SD. The 112 is a curious being. It was DD'ed some in 2014 or 2013 (cant remember which) for a short test period for nearly all daily runnings, but it was never permanent and has alas returned to SD. It would do well with a permanent DD'ing, especially with the roadworks currently going on, however it also needs a more frequent service. Many times I have seen passengers refused to be let on by the side of the A406 because it was completely rammed; something I don't wish on my worst enemy! The 112 was double decked at that time because it's new DEL's were late, really the TA's should of been left on the route As for the E6, whilst it certainly needs a capacity boost, I'm a little unsure as to whether deckers could through the back roads just passed Hayes ASDA. This would have been even better Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 8:56:42 GMT
Route E9 is proposed to be converted to doubledecks after 10% increase in patronage. Removal of Hail & Ride is also proposed in consultation. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/e9Well everybody, It's a happily ever after (hopefully!) in this case. E5, E7 and E9 go to Abellio Hayes with SD on E5, E7 (new) and DD on E9 (from 344 (E400)). And E8 is going to be FULLY DD (E400 from 168) and extended to Hounslow.
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Post by COBO on Nov 7, 2015 13:15:38 GMT
The 112 was double decked at that time because it's new DEL's were late, really the TA's should of been left on the route As for the E6, whilst it certainly needs a capacity boost, I'm a little unsure as to whether deckers could through the back roads just passed Hayes ASDA. Route 195 through the housing estate and the E6 along main road ( like the E6 and E10 swapped routes a few years ago!) Good idea but the 195 needs double deckers itself.
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Post by COBO on Mar 18, 2016 18:03:06 GMT
It looks the double decking of the E9 is going ahead.
Dear Sir or Madam In November and December 2015 we consulted on proposals to use double deck buses on route E9 and replace the hail and ride section of the route at Barnhill Estate with fixed stops. Thank you for taking part in our consultation. We received 237 responses to the consultation of which 235 were from members of the public. 81 per cent of the responses supported using double deck buses on the route and 11 per cent did not support the proposal. A combined 8 per cent were not sure, did not answer the question or offered no opinion. We have considered all of the comments made and have decided to go ahead with our proposal to use double deck buses on route E9. We are working with the local authority to prune the trees along the route. We plan to introduce double deck buses during early summer 2016. We have also reviewed comments made regarding fixed stops around the Barnhill Estate. We are going to work with the local authority and review possible locations for fixed stops. These stops will impact on the roads around the estate so a further consultation will be undertaken by the local authority regarding parking and bus stop locations. As yet it is unclear when this may take place. For more information regarding this consultation including a full copy of the consultation report please visit our website at tfl.gov.uk/buses/e9.
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