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Post by ServerKing on Dec 19, 2015 12:35:34 GMT
This isn't the provinces though - drivers can't just simply leave their cab to pull up manual ramps which are no more reliable than motorised ones anyway. London is about short dwell times unlike the provinces so having manual ramps would increase dwell times. Also, the driver becomes vulnerable to abuse or worse from passengers. With respect you can't say you're unwilling to take measures to aid the disabled because such measures are inconvenient. Can I raise the 486's batch of Es at Bexleyheath where the blind boxes, particularly at the rear, are so filthy one can never see the route number, nor normally the reg plate which strangely doesn't seem to get picked up! The VPs on the 182 are the same... it's time for LEDs... I know I've always said that but its true... with the e paper project dead in the water, its the only way to keep operators out of hot water. I'd not want to mess with VOSA, wheras TfL can be dealt with (apologies, brown envelopes etc... ). An operator in the 'big 5' getting warnings from DVSA may indirectly affect other operations elsewhere
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Post by marlon101 on Dec 19, 2015 13:30:46 GMT
With respect you can't say you're unwilling to take measures to aid the disabled because such measures are inconvenient. Can I raise the 486's batch of Es at Bexleyheath where the blind boxes, particularly at the rear, are so filthy one can never see the route number, nor normally the reg plate which strangely doesn't seem to get picked up! The VPs on the 182 are the same... it's time for LEDs... I know I've always said that but its true... with the e paper project dead in the water, its the only way to keep operators out of hot water. I'd not want to mess with VOSA, wheras TfL can be dealt with (apologies, brown envelopes etc... ). An operator in the 'big 5' getting warnings from DVSA may indirectly affect other operations elsewhere You are almost certainly right but there is a large dose of nostalgia meaning that I cling onto the idea of making blinds work for some reason.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 19, 2015 21:59:04 GMT
This isn't the provinces though - drivers can't just simply leave their cab to pull up manual ramps which are no more reliable than motorised ones anyway. London is about short dwell times unlike the provinces so having manual ramps would increase dwell times. Also, the driver becomes vulnerable to abuse or worse from passengers. With respect you can't say you're unwilling to take measures to aid the disabled because such measures are inconvenient. That's not what I'm saying at all though. I merely pointed out if you had manual ramps, drivers would be at more at risk than at present & dwell times would increase.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 31, 2015 22:43:46 GMT
7-12-15 DN33650 route 26, 19:15 no blindbox lights on
18-12-15 ENS1 route 393, 07:11 no blindbox lights on
22-12-15 SE17 route 276, 17:03 no blindbox lights on
24-12-15 ENS7 route 393, 16:28 no blindbox lights on
27-12-15 36360 route D3, 16:57 no blindbox lights on
28-12-15 ENS11 route 393 no blindbox lights on
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 1, 2016 8:30:42 GMT
The VPs on the 182 are the same... it's time for LEDs... I know I've always said that but its true... with the e paper project dead in the water, its the only way to keep operators out of hot water. I'd not want to mess with VOSA, wheras TfL can be dealt with (apologies, brown envelopes etc... ). An operator in the 'big 5' getting warnings from DVSA may indirectly affect other operations elsewhere You are almost certainly right but there is a large dose of nostalgia meaning that I cling onto the idea of making blinds work for some reason. They could make the blinds work by cleaning the rear blind boxes for a start I saw TEH1224 in the flesh for the first time at Brent Cross on the 189, It's a shame they couldn't get the route number part at the front to work and had to fit it with a trad blind - the destination part and the rear I think are still E-Paper. It would be good to see if this tech progresses
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Post by Volvo on Jan 2, 2016 0:27:03 GMT
7-12-15 DN33650 route 26, 19:15 no blindbox lights on 18-12-15 ENS1 route 393, 07:11 no blindbox lights on 22-12-15 SE17 route 276, 17:03 no blindbox lights on 24-12-15 ENS7 route 393, 16:28 no blindbox lights on 27-12-15 36360 route D3, 16:57 no blindbox lights on 28-12-15 ENS11 route 393 no blindbox lights on 393 has cropped up a few times there. Maybe some drivers need talking to.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 2, 2016 10:32:31 GMT
393 has cropped up a few times there. Maybe some drivers need talking to. Is it the driver's responsibility though? - genuine question as I don't know what control they have in terms of switches. If the bulbs are bust then it's a maintenance issue isn't it? The Enviro 200s are notorious for badly illuminated displays - remember all the moans about them on the 192? I've seen newish VWHs with non illuminated blinds recently which was a surprise. You'd expect new buses to have working blinds for years.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 2, 2016 11:41:32 GMT
393 has cropped up a few times there. Maybe some drivers need talking to. Is it the driver's responsibility though? - genuine question as I don't know what control they have in terms of switches. If the bulbs are bust then it's a maintenance issue isn't it? The Enviro 200s are notorious for badly illuminated displays - remember all the moans about them on the 192? I've seen newish VWHs with non illuminated blinds recently which was a surprise. You'd expect new buses to have working blinds for years. The driver would still have responsibility to report the fault on the defect sheet and in the case of poor daylight/night time call it in and even request a sub. If the driver is instructed to continue in service responsibility then falls to the radio room who is permitting the bus to continue despite the fault... although the driver could 'kindly' dispute the instruction and request better action, stating that some passengers don't have as good a vision as others. Responsibility would obviously fall to maintenance once they have been made aware. If the bus continues to display the fault in future then the driver should ideally conduct the same procedure each time. Whether that 'particular fault' is rectified or not is down to the firm, as long as you report the fault each time you are covering your rear and conducting the procedure regarding "safety and comfort!" If it turns out that the blind lights don't work because it's not switched on at the dash, then that's obviously down to the driver to ensure that it's switched on each time*. Go Ahead buses (eg. 118 & 200) tend to have independent switches whereas Abellio buses (eg. 152 & 201) seem to come on automatically. * - I believe some blind lights switch off automatically but need to be switched on manually
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Post by M1104 on Jan 2, 2016 11:47:47 GMT
Is it the driver's responsibility though? - genuine question as I don't know what control they have in terms of switches. If the bulbs are bust then it's a maintenance issue isn't it? The Enviro 200s are notorious for badly illuminated displays - remember all the moans about them on the 192? I've seen newish VWHs with non illuminated blinds recently which was a surprise. You'd expect new buses to have working blinds for years. The driver would still have responsibility to report the fault on the defect sheet and in the case of poor daylight/night time call it in and even request a sub. If the driver is instructed to continue in service responsibility then falls to the radio room who is permitting the bus to continue despite the fault... although the driver could 'kindly' dispute the instruction and request better action, stating that some passengers don't have as good a vision as others. Responsibility would obviously fall to maintenance once they have been made aware. If the bus continues to display the fault in future then the driver should ideally conduct the same procedure each time. Whether that 'particular fault' is rectified or not is down to the firm, as long as you report the fault each time you are covering your rear and conducting the procedure regarding "safety and comfort!" If it turns out that the blind lights don't work because it's not switched on at the dash, then that's obviously down to the driver to ensure that it's switched on each time*. Go Ahead buses (eg. 118 & 200) tend to have independent switches whereas Abellio buses (eg. 152 & 201) seem to come on automatically. * - I believe some blind lights switch off automatically but need to be switched on manually Additionally, if the bus is already in the depot the driver has a stronger case to ask for that bus to be fixed there and then. Even if it's daytime, the driver could argue that the bus is likely to be out into the night hours where another driver may perhaps refuse to take over that bus. TfL need to put their foot firmly down on bus displays, like they did during the time when there were frequent ramp failures.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 2, 2016 15:34:16 GMT
393 has cropped up a few times there. Maybe some drivers need talking to. Is it the driver's responsibility though? - genuine question as I don't know what control they have in terms of switches. If the bulbs are bust then it's a maintenance issue isn't it? The Enviro 200s are notorious for badly illuminated displays - remember all the moans about them on the 192? I've seen newish VWHs with non illuminated blinds recently which was a surprise. You'd expect new buses to have working blinds for years. He is right, in this case it is the drivers responsibility. Whenever I check these buses, I try to see if the rear is illuminated. I wouldn't just put it down here for blown bulbs. So then I know it is a case of it not being turned on. It is a switch in the cab in the middle of the interior lights. Trouble is it isn't as obvious as it just glows brighter when on and same colour. Previously on Pointer2/ALX200 it was a rocker switch, so was obvious at a glance if it was on or off. The case of the 192's was more than likely the same thing, drivers not switching the bulb on.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 2, 2016 19:53:13 GMT
Is it the driver's responsibility though? - genuine question as I don't know what control they have in terms of switches. If the bulbs are bust then it's a maintenance issue isn't it? The Enviro 200s are notorious for badly illuminated displays - remember all the moans about them on the 192? I've seen newish VWHs with non illuminated blinds recently which was a surprise. You'd expect new buses to have working blinds for years. He is right, in this case it is the drivers responsibility. Whenever I check these buses, I try to see if the rear is illuminated. I wouldn't just put it down here for blown bulbs. So then I know it is a case of it not being turned on. It is a switch in the cab in the middle of the interior lights. Trouble is it isn't as obvious as it just glows brighter when on and same colour. Previously on Pointer2/ALX200 it was a rocker switch, so was obvious at a glance if it was on or off. The case of the 192's was more than likely the same thing, drivers not switching the bulb on.
OK thanks to you and PVL371. I've learnt something.
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 3, 2016 11:20:49 GMT
Is it the driver's responsibility though? - genuine question as I don't know what control they have in terms of switches. If the bulbs are bust then it's a maintenance issue isn't it? The Enviro 200s are notorious for badly illuminated displays - remember all the moans about them on the 192? I've seen newish VWHs with non illuminated blinds recently which was a surprise. You'd expect new buses to have working blinds for years. He is right, in this case it is the drivers responsibility. Whenever I check these buses, I try to see if the rear is illuminated. I wouldn't just put it down here for blown bulbs. So then I know it is a case of it not being turned on. It is a switch in the cab in the middle of the interior lights. Trouble is it isn't as obvious as it just glows brighter when on and same colour. Previously on Pointer2/ALX200 it was a rocker switch, so was obvious at a glance if it was on or off. The case of the 192's was more than likely the same thing, drivers not switching the bulb on.
I think everything from 2010 onwards had LED backlight fitted in the blindbox for illumination (which should rarely fail) so there shouldn't be any issues except driver error
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 4, 2016 13:48:39 GMT
He is right, in this case it is the drivers responsibility. Whenever I check these buses, I try to see if the rear is illuminated. I wouldn't just put it down here for blown bulbs. So then I know it is a case of it not being turned on. It is a switch in the cab in the middle of the interior lights. Trouble is it isn't as obvious as it just glows brighter when on and same colour. Previously on Pointer2/ALX200 it was a rocker switch, so was obvious at a glance if it was on or off. The case of the 192's was more than likely the same thing, drivers not switching the bulb on.
I think everything from 2010 onwards had LED backlight fitted in the blindbox for illumination (which should rarely fail) so there shouldn't be any issues except driver error There are still a few 2011 vehicles without LED backlighting.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 7, 2016 20:45:42 GMT
Most of the 64's drivers don't have their blind lights on. 963 yesterday had none on at all, so i could just about see where it was going
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Post by M1104 on Jan 9, 2016 18:31:52 GMT
I have noticed on two occasions a 109 bus without any blind lights on, although in saying that it could have been the same bus I saw twice over as I didn't catch the bonnet number on either occasion.
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