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Post by ibus246 on Jan 2, 2016 7:32:39 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Jan 2, 2016 10:13:40 GMT
Thanks for sharing that. I had been wondering what the heck was going on at West Croydon as the few times I've been past the site just remained flat with no signs of anything being built. At least TfL have explained that something has gone wrong in terms of the site conditions thus causing a delay. Catching a bus in Croydon is a nightmare without the bus station in operation. Pity it's going to take another 6-8 months to finish the work. Nearly every bus station project in London overruns for some reason.
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Post by allentc on Jan 2, 2016 11:24:33 GMT
Shameful! What is a basic building project should take so long to complete regardless of an unexpected piece of large concrete. The new building is hardly a complex piece of architecture requiring intricate assembly. Instead it resembles a few pieces of garden trellis joined together to form a bus station that would look more in keeping in leafy St Albans than Croydon.
In Asia they build whole new airports, railway lines etc. in the time it takes us to do achieve something a fraction of the size and complexity. Like all building projects no doubt they come across unexpected issues too.
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 2, 2016 11:43:28 GMT
Shameful! What is a basic building project should take so long to complete regardless of an unexpected piece of large concrete. The new building is hardly a complex piece of architecture requiring intricate assembly. Instead it resembles a few pieces of garden trellis joined together to form a bus station that would look more in keeping in leafy St Albans than Croydon. In Asia they build whole new airports, railway lines etc. in the time it takes us to do achieve something a fraction of the size and complexity. Like all building projects no doubt they come across unexpected issues too. Probably the "wrong type of brick" And no doubt it " 'ad to go to committee."
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Post by snoggle on Jan 2, 2016 13:21:09 GMT
Shameful! What is a basic building project should take so long to complete regardless of an unexpected piece of large concrete. The new building is hardly a complex piece of architecture requiring intricate assembly. Instead it resembles a few pieces of garden trellis joined together to form a bus station that would look more in keeping in leafy St Albans than Croydon. In Asia they build whole new airports, railway lines etc. in the time it takes us to do achieve something a fraction of the size and complexity. Like all building projects no doubt they come across unexpected issues too. Meanwhile back in the real world - sh*t happens. West Croydon is not a greenfield site unlike many airport sites in Asia - there has been a bus station there for decades and it's changed umpteen times. Who knows what the concrete block was - could be anything. If TfL had ignored it and carried on regardless and then the new bus station collapsed or subsided I expect you'd be crying "shameful" then and demanding someone's head on a plate. When I had my kitchen and bathroom redone the builders found all sorts of weird stuff - part of the external wall could have been kicked through as it was only one brick thick. They fixed that but there was no way at all a visual survey could have identified it beforehand. Not every risk can be identified before work starts and sometimes you have to accept the cost of more work and the time delay in order to achieve the desired end result. Having been a client for a lot of project work sometimes the best of plans and preparations can go awry. For example the planned bridge replacement at Purley has been abandoned because of the weather forecast making it too dangerous to use the crane and remove the old bridge and install the new one. That's years of preparation "wasted" plus costs incurred because it was too windy. The work will have to be rescheduled but there's no guarantee that it wouldn't get postponed a second time.
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Post by sid on Jan 2, 2016 18:05:25 GMT
Shameful! What is a basic building project should take so long to complete regardless of an unexpected piece of large concrete. The new building is hardly a complex piece of architecture requiring intricate assembly. Instead it resembles a few pieces of garden trellis joined together to form a bus station that would look more in keeping in leafy St Albans than Croydon. In Asia they build whole new airports, railway lines etc. in the time it takes us to do achieve something a fraction of the size and complexity. Like all building projects no doubt they come across unexpected issues too. Absolutely, I hadn't actually realised that it's been over a year now it's been out of action, what the hell is going on? If this had been a commercial development with penalty clause and such like backsides would have been kicked long ago, just look how quickly tower blocks in Croydon go up!!
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 2, 2016 18:26:47 GMT
Shameful! What is a basic building project should take so long to complete regardless of an unexpected piece of large concrete. The new building is hardly a complex piece of architecture requiring intricate assembly. Instead it resembles a few pieces of garden trellis joined together to form a bus station that would look more in keeping in leafy St Albans than Croydon. In Asia they build whole new airports, railway lines etc. in the time it takes us to do achieve something a fraction of the size and complexity. Like all building projects no doubt they come across unexpected issues too. Absolutely, I hadn't actually realised that it's been over a year now it's been out of action, what the hell is going on? If this had been a commercial development with penalty clause and such like backsides would have been kicked long ago, just look how quickly tower blocks in Croydon go up!! I agree. I thought it would be completed by the end of last year, but its still going on. I went past in November and there was nothing there!
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Post by sid on Jan 2, 2016 20:27:20 GMT
Absolutely, I hadn't actually realised that it's been over a year now it's been out of action, what the hell is going on? If this had been a commercial development with penalty clause and such like backsides would have been kicked long ago, just look how quickly tower blocks in Croydon go up!! I agree. I thought it would be completed by the end of last year, but its still going on. I went past in November and there was nothing there! The same when I was there recently, nobody on site and absolutely nothing going on. The way things are going Delta Point will have been converted to flats before it's finished, I'm not sure whether a bus station literally on the doorstep will be a good selling point or not lol
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Post by vjaska on Jan 2, 2016 21:31:45 GMT
No surprise to see it delayed but it don't matter - the end result will still resemble a dreadful attempt of a bus station. Everyone will shiver and be soaked to death but that's fine.
I know everyone except me hated the old bus station but it did the job. Lots of people used it and nearly every route used it at least in one direction. It also sheltered you from the wind & rain which surely has to be a big plus point.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 2, 2016 23:52:33 GMT
No surprise to see it delayed but it don't matter - the end result will still resemble a dreadful attempt of a bus station. Everyone will shiver and be soaked to death but that's fine. I know everyone except me hated the old bus station but it did the job. Lots of people used it and nearly every route used it at least in one direction. It also sheltered you from the wind & rain which surely has to be a big plus point. TfL seems to have a real dislike of enclosed bus stations and yet they're the norm for almost every new bus station built in the UK. Having had to use Tottenham Hale's bus station the other day when it was raining and windy it was completely useless. Almost as bad as Stratford City and that's one of the worst "bus stations" in London. No idea why they stuck those massive "roofs" on stalks over the roads because they offer no protection to passengers. The shelters are far too small - I had to shelter under one which wasn't at the stop my bus went from because the other one was full. There's no reason at all for the big roofs and TfL could have installed some nice enclosed / partly enclosed shelters that are much longer. TfL clearly try to cater for the use of dual door vehicles and central ramps and to allow space for wheelchairs to move which is all fine. It does end up with some poor compromises for everyone else though.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 3, 2016 0:13:29 GMT
No surprise to see it delayed but it don't matter - the end result will still resemble a dreadful attempt of a bus station. Everyone will shiver and be soaked to death but that's fine. I know everyone except me hated the old bus station but it did the job. Lots of people used it and nearly every route used it at least in one direction. It also sheltered you from the wind & rain which surely has to be a big plus point. TfL seems to have a real dislike of enclosed bus stations and yet they're the norm for almost every new bus station built in the UK. Having had to use Tottenham Hale's bus station the other day when it was raining and windy it was completely useless. Almost as bad as Stratford City and that's one of the worst "bus stations" in London. No idea why they stuck those massive "roofs" on stalks over the roads because they offer no protection to passengers. The shelters are far too small - I had to shelter under one which wasn't at the stop my bus went from because the other one was full. There's no reason at all for the big roofs and TfL could have installed some nice enclosed / partly enclosed shelters that are much longer. TfL clearly try to cater for the use of dual door vehicles and central ramps and to allow space for wheelchairs to move which is all fine. It does end up with some poor compromises for everyone else though. I know how you feel regarding Tottenham Hale Bus Station as I used it today and it offered me no protection at all from the elements - I was wet & cold.
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Post by sid on Jan 3, 2016 0:19:15 GMT
No surprise to see it delayed but it don't matter - the end result will still resemble a dreadful attempt of a bus station. Everyone will shiver and be soaked to death but that's fine. I know everyone except me hated the old bus station but it did the job. Lots of people used it and nearly every route used it at least in one direction. It also sheltered you from the wind & rain which surely has to be a big plus point. I would hope the new bus station will be something sensational given how long it's taken but I suspect it will be a big let down, I agree that the old one did the job and was generally ok.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 0:36:25 GMT
It also says the format will be hardly unchanged which is a big shame as it would be nice to see the 50 & 468 diverted to stop at West Croydon the same way the 75 even though it's not as practical, plus what about stand space as it says that it will big enough to grow but again no space seems to be extended as new routes in the area can be extended to Croydon (54/353 etc.)
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Post by snoggle on Jan 3, 2016 0:38:53 GMT
No surprise to see it delayed but it don't matter - the end result will still resemble a dreadful attempt of a bus station. Everyone will shiver and be soaked to death but that's fine. I know everyone except me hated the old bus station but it did the job. Lots of people used it and nearly every route used it at least in one direction. It also sheltered you from the wind & rain which surely has to be a big plus point. I would hope the new bus station will be something sensational given how long it's taken but I suspect it will be a big let down, I agree that the old one did the job and was generally ok. Well it may well create some "sensations" but unlikely to be positive ones based on the artists impression of the design. Looks more appropriate for the rose beds at Kew Gardens!
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 3, 2016 0:56:16 GMT
I would hope the new bus station will be something sensational given how long it's taken but I suspect it will be a big let down, I agree that the old one did the job and was generally ok. Well it may well create some "sensations" but unlikely to be positive ones based on the artists impression of the design. Looks more appropriate for the rose beds at Kew Gardens!
I'll bet the delay is because B&Q are waiting on their suppliers for the gazebo!
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