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Post by ibus246 on Jan 19, 2016 21:34:49 GMT
Surrey County Council are holding the second bus review (2015 being the last one) regarding some comprhensive changes of routes in Surrey to save money. One change I must note is Metrobus' 409 route. The route has been cut back and back so much within recent years. From East Grinstead to Croydon previously then Croydon to Selsdon and then the frequency decrease last year. This years it is being proposed that the route runs approx hourly and that the section between Selsdon and Farleigh is reduced or withdrawn. www.surreycc.gov.uk/transportreview |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 19, 2016 21:48:36 GMT
Surrey County Council are holding the second bus review (2015 being the last one) regarding some comprhensive changes of routes in Surrey to save money. One change I must note is Metrobus' 409 route. The route has been cut back and back so much within recent years. From East Grinstead to Croydon previously then Croydon to Selsdon and then the frequency decrease last year. This years it is being proposed that the route runs approx hourly and that the section between Selsdon and Farleigh is reduced or withdrawn. www.surreycc.gov.uk/transportreviewGlad I don't live in Surrey and have to rely on buses. I know it's not SCC's fault but if they carry on like this there'll be no services left in 5 years time. |
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Post by jay38a on Jan 19, 2016 22:12:16 GMT
Surrey County Council are holding the second bus review (2015 being the last one) regarding some comprhensive changes of routes in Surrey to save money. One change I must note is Metrobus' 409 route. The route has been cut back and back so much within recent years. From East Grinstead to Croydon previously then Croydon to Selsdon and then the frequency decrease last year. This years it is being proposed that the route runs approx hourly and that the section between Selsdon and Farleigh is reduced or withdrawn. www.surreycc.gov.uk/transportreviewGlad I don't live in Surrey and have to rely on buses. I know it's not SCC's fault but if they carry on like this there'll be no services left in 5 years time. Not as bad as Oxfordshire which plans to withdraw all funding. And the councils lawyer thinks the transport act means they dont have to provide funding as it states "it says there is an obligation to secure a provision of public transport services the council considers appropriate" and he says "It is not a duty to fund, it is a duty to consider what is appropriate", so they dont need to provide funding. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2016 22:17:16 GMT
Surrey County Council are holding the second bus review (2015 being the last one) regarding some comprhensive changes of routes in Surrey to save money. One change I must note is Metrobus' 409 route. The route has been cut back and back so much within recent years. From East Grinstead to Croydon previously then Croydon to Selsdon and then the frequency decrease last year. This years it is being proposed that the route runs approx hourly and that the section between Selsdon and Farleigh is reduced or withdrawn. www.surreycc.gov.uk/transportreviewI remember the route before its withdrawal north of Selsdon under two spells of Metrobus and when Southdown PSV ran it - buses under the 1st spell of Metrobus and under Southdown PSV rarely carried any passengers from my observations (Metrobus used Volvo Olympians, Southdown used Pointer Darts though a Transbus Enviro 300 showed up from time to time). Under the second spell of Metrobus operation, the route was much busier and the Darts had decent loads. For those interested, I had 3 years at Croydon College as well as visiting it often for various reasons which is how I saw my observations - I did plan to ride down to East Grinstead on the 409 but never found time. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 19, 2016 22:44:17 GMT
Not as bad as Oxfordshire which plans to withdraw all funding. And the councils lawyer thinks the transport act means they dont have to provide funding as it states "it says there is an obligation to secure a provision of public transport services the council considers appropriate" and he says "It is not a duty to fund, it is a duty to consider what is appropriate", so they dont need to provide funding. Well that will bring the pains on in Oxfordshire which still has some semblance of rural buses. Still they are not the first authority to withdraw all funding nor will they be the last. It's actual a national disgrace but most of our "representatives" wouldn't know where the buses go in their constituencies so we can hardly be surprised they're not bothered about buses disappearing right across the country. If the same was happening to the rail network there'd be a riot.  |
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Post by jay38a on Jan 19, 2016 23:12:17 GMT
the 409 could be withdrawn entirely and mostly covered by existing services:
- Route 434 extended from Whyteleafe South to Caterham Tesco via either Salmons Lane (yes ok i do know that road is a little tight in places) or Burtwood Lane and Whyteleafe Road then follow the 409 to Caterham Tesco with no extra buses, using the 21 mins stand at Whyteleafe South. Only a small section of Whyteleafe Hill would be unserved or withdraw between Whyteleafe Station and Whyteleafe South and extend via current 409 to Caterham Tesco.
- Route 357 extended from Wallingham to Chelsham Common with no extra buses using the stand time at Wallingham with Saturday service introduced between Caterham on the Hill and Chelsham with 1 bus and a loop at Chelsham, resulting in 24 mins running time towards Chelsham and 28 mins coming back with 2 mins stand at Chelsham and 4 at Caterham, meaning an hourly service can be done with 1 bus.
These changes ok you loose the Farleigh to Selsdon link but the rest of the route is covered.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 20, 2016 18:59:04 GMT
the 409 could be withdrawn entirely and mostly covered by existing services: - Route 434 extended from Whyteleafe South to Caterham Tesco via either Salmons Lane (yes ok i do know that road is a little tight in places) or Burtwood Lane and Whyteleafe Road then follow the 409 to Caterham Tesco with no extra buses, using the 21 mins stand at Whyteleafe South. Only a small section of Whyteleafe Hill would be unserved or withdraw between Whyteleafe Station and Whyteleafe South and extend via current 409 to Caterham Tesco. - Route 357 extended from Wallingham to Chelsham Common with no extra buses using the stand time at Wallingham with Saturday service introduced between Caterham on the Hill and Chelsham with 1 bus and a loop at Chelsham, resulting in 24 mins running time towards Chelsham and 28 mins coming back with 2 mins stand at Chelsham and 4 at Caterham, meaning an hourly service can be done with 1 bus. These changes ok you loose the Farleigh to Selsdon link but the rest of the route is covered. I think that if the 409 was a TfL route, then more people would use it. If the 434 was to be extended to Caterham Tesco, it may need a few extra buses, and may need to go round the Village. I don't agree with these changes, because buses will now have to come every hour, and if you need a bus to get to Caterham Village from the Station, you'd have to wait ages. Also, the 509 is being reduced to a one bus every 2 hours service (which would result in the PVR being 1 or 2). Even though I don't use the 409 or the 509 anymore, These changes to the Caterham routes aren't beneficial at all. |
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Post by jay38a on Jan 21, 2016 18:02:55 GMT
the 409 could be withdrawn entirely and mostly covered by existing services: - Route 434 extended from Whyteleafe South to Caterham Tesco via either Salmons Lane (yes ok i do know that road is a little tight in places) or Burtwood Lane and Whyteleafe Road then follow the 409 to Caterham Tesco with no extra buses, using the 21 mins stand at Whyteleafe South. Only a small section of Whyteleafe Hill would be unserved or withdraw between Whyteleafe Station and Whyteleafe South and extend via current 409 to Caterham Tesco. - Route 357 extended from Wallingham to Chelsham Common with no extra buses using the stand time at Wallingham with Saturday service introduced between Caterham on the Hill and Chelsham with 1 bus and a loop at Chelsham, resulting in 24 mins running time towards Chelsham and 28 mins coming back with 2 mins stand at Chelsham and 4 at Caterham, meaning an hourly service can be done with 1 bus. These changes ok you loose the Farleigh to Selsdon link but the rest of the route is covered. I think that if the 409 was a TfL route, then more people would use it. If the 434 was to be extended to Caterham Tesco, it may need a few extra buses, and may need to go round the Village. I don't agree with these changes, because buses will now have to come every hour, and if you need a bus to get to Caterham Village from the Station, you'd have to wait ages. Also, the 509 is being reduced to a one bus every 2 hours service (which would result in the PVR being 1 or 2). Even though I don't use the 409 or the 509 anymore, These changes to the Caterham routes aren't beneficial at all. The 434 has 19 mins stand (sorry thought it was 21 before) at Whyteleafe South. It is 3 mins each way from there to Whyteleafe Station, giving you 25 mins to play with. The 409 is timed 10 mins from Cliton Arms to Whyteleafe Station, so giving those rough times, it could have 5 mins stand in the Village meaning no extra buses are needed. |
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Post by snowman on Apr 27, 2016 5:21:57 GMT
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Post by moz on Apr 29, 2016 2:26:39 GMT
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Post by ibus246 on Jun 3, 2016 20:08:12 GMT
Some interesting changes happening from September -
Metrobus lose routes 409 and school route 603 to Southdown PSV and these will be revised.
Buses Excetra route 516 from Dorking to Epsom withdrawn and replaced by Metrobus changes to existing routes 22 and 26
Metrobus new service 21 from Crawley - Epsom via Dorking, Leatherhead and Boxhill
Metrobus new service (revised) 22 from Crawley - Holmbury via Gatwick, Horley, Charlwood & Dorking.
21/22 to operate every two hours on M-F. Route 21 to operate every two hours on Saturdays.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 3, 2016 21:12:43 GMT
Some interesting changes happening from September - Metrobus lose routes 409 and school route 603 to Southdown PSV and these will be revised. Buses Excetra route 516 from Dorking to Epsom withdrawn and replaced by Metrobus changes to existing routes 22 and 26 Metrobus new service 21 from Crawley - Epsom via Dorking, Leatherhead and Boxhill Metrobus new service (revised) 22 from Crawley - Holmbury via Gatwick, Horley, Charlwood & Dorking. 21/22 to operate every two hours on M-F. Route 21 to operate every two hours on Saturdays. Seems like the 409 just goes back and forth between Metrobus & Southdown PSV. |
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Post by ibus246 on Jun 3, 2016 22:08:49 GMT
Some interesting changes happening from September - Metrobus lose routes 409 and school route 603 to Southdown PSV and these will be revised. Buses Excetra route 516 from Dorking to Epsom withdrawn and replaced by Metrobus changes to existing routes 22 and 26 Metrobus new service 21 from Crawley - Epsom via Dorking, Leatherhead and Boxhill Metrobus new service (revised) 22 from Crawley - Holmbury via Gatwick, Horley, Charlwood & Dorking. 21/22 to operate every two hours on M-F. Route 21 to operate every two hours on Saturdays. Seems like the 409 just goes back and forth between Metrobus & Southdown PSV. Never for a full contract term with Southdown - last time hey had to give it up as they were unable to run it at the initial price stated |
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 4, 2016 21:48:11 GMT
Some interesting changes happening from September - Metrobus lose routes 409 and school route 603 to Southdown PSV and these will be revised. Buses Excetra route 516 from Dorking to Epsom withdrawn and replaced by Metrobus changes to existing routes 22 and 26 Metrobus new service 21 from Crawley - Epsom via Dorking, Leatherhead and Boxhill Metrobus new service (revised) 22 from Crawley - Holmbury via Gatwick, Horley, Charlwood & Dorking. 21/22 to operate every two hours on M-F. Route 21 to operate every two hours on Saturdays. Good job I don't live in Caterham any more! Still sad to see the 409 go to Southdown. I hope 6287-6289 still stick around though. Metrobus ran the route really well and can't believe they've lost it. I would have thought Metrobus would go for the 509. Have Southdown hung on to that? Metrobus's presence in Caterham Village will end after 16 years this will mean. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Jun 5, 2016 7:40:45 GMT
Note that - as previously discussed here - KCC are proposing to axe their supported evening 477 journeys between Orpington and Swanley. Potentially no service after 1900 on that section, while the whole route would wind down at 2100 weeknights and 2200 on Saturdays. The Sunday service is already entirely commercial so is left alone, but I note from the public holiday timetable* that Arriva run a couple of isolated late evening trips on that day off their own back along the whole route, which offers a shred of hope as to what they might do in the absence of subsidy on other days of the week - some operators in the home counties have replaced subsidised services with commercial ones on a use-it-or-lose-it basis, some have swam and others have sunk. Hopefully Arriva KT will regard it as worth a punt. * a TfL-style 477 timetable is available over in the relevant section at busmap.org, includes which trips are KCC subsidised and what runs on a bank holiday. |
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