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Post by Tangy on Jan 26, 2016 22:02:11 GMT
The Gospel Oak- Barking (GOBLIN) Overground route will be closed continuously for eight months from June 2016 to allow upgrade works to take place to allow 4 coach electric traction to operate the line. Several bridges will need to be altered to give clearance for overhead wires (the bridge over the A1 at Upper Holloway being one such identified). The stock will be eight 4 car units from Bombardier (the same stock has also been ordered for West Anglia lines to Chingford/Enfield) but it is likely that these will not be in operation until late 2017 and will not be enough should the Barking Riverside extension take place... www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/barking-to-gospel-oak-overground-line-to-shut-for-eight-months-to-allow-upgrade-works-a3164041.html
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Post by snoggle on Jan 26, 2016 23:36:25 GMT
Just worth saying that the Network Rail possession plan shows the following.
Barking - South Tottenham closed June 2016 to 4 Feb 2017 South Tottenham - Gospel Oak closed early Oct 2016 to 4 Feb 2017 so full line closure for 4 months. South Tottenham - Gospel Oak trains only run M-F from June 2016 to early Oct 2016 as entire line is shut every weekend.
Bus replacement services will operate.
Therefore the Standard was sort of correct but doesn't quite have the detail. There is also nothing on the TfL Closure 6 month look ahead document other than the weekend closures. I assume TfL are waiting to do a proper "launch" of the project, blockades and replacement service arrangements.
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Post by Alex on Jan 26, 2016 23:59:38 GMT
Yes! At last - I have no problem at all with the closure, to get a better service in the long run (again with a delay on longer trains in the meantime). I am a semi-frequent user of this - when I meet my other half at work sometimes, we go for Turkish meal at Green Lanes, then get the Overground back to Wanstead Park. It's a fantastic route - the fastest you'll do North to East London. Unfortunately, the two car trains are nowhere near enough for the amount of people, and (apparently) the frequency can't be improved due to freight train working. It really is hell on wheels. So crowded and such an unpleasant experience. You could argue that my journey is leisure, so avoidable, but on the big picture the route desperately needs longer trains so I'd back this shutdown for a better result in the end.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 27, 2016 23:57:42 GMT
Two Mayors Questions and Answers that may be of interest.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 1, 2016 19:51:26 GMT
Looks like the PR machine is slowing grinding into action so far as the GOBLIN electrification is concerned. Gives some good insights into the work that will be done and where as well as some of the technology they will use. Network Rail press releaseProject web pageAnd a Youtube video
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Post by Tangy on Feb 20, 2016 9:03:28 GMT
Further details about the closure have now emerged:
The last day for through Barking- Gospel Oak trains is Friday 3rd June 2016, trains will continue to run weekdays only between South Tottenham and Gospel Oak until 23rd September 2016.
The whole line will then be closed continuously between 23rd September and 7th February 2017, when the through rail service will resume with the current diesel 172s (but with weekend closures for further engineering work).
1000m of track in the Walthamstow QR station area will need to be lowered to provide enough clearance, thus the footpath link to Walthamstow Central will be unavailable throughout the closure. In addition the road bridges at Upper Holloway and Harringay Park will need to be rebuilt. Platforms, where not long enough already, will be extended to 4 coach length.
The full 4 coach electric service will not commence until 2018 (the current 2 coach 172s will maintain the timetable until the electric stock enters service).
During the closure two rail replacement buses will operate, both will operate with double deckers at least every 15 minutes with extras at peak times:
Route T: Barking- Woodgrange Park- Wanstead Park- Harrow Green (for Leytonstone)- Leyton Midland Road- Walthamstow Central. Operates daily 4th June 2016- 6th February 2017.
Route J: Highgate Road (for Gospel Oak)- Upper Holloway- Hanley Road (for Crouch Hill)- Harringay Green Lanes- Seven Sisters. Operates weekends from 4th June 2016, then daily from 24th September until 6th February 2017.
Information posted with thanks from Barking- Gospel Oak Rail Users Group.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 20, 2016 9:56:18 GMT
Further details about the closure have now emerged: The last day for through Barking- Gospel Oak trains is Friday 3rd June 2016, trains will continue to run weekdays only between South Tottenham and Gospel Oak until 23rd September 2016. The whole line will then be closed continuously between 23rd September and 7th February 2017, when the through rail service will resume with the current diesel 172s (but with weekend closures for further engineering work). 1000m of track in the Walthamstow QR station area will need to be lowered to provide enough clearance, thus the footpath link to Walthamstow Central will be unavailable throughout the closure. In addition the road bridges at Upper Holloway and Harringay Park will need to be rebuilt. Platforms, where not long enough already, will be extended to 4 coach length. The full 4 coach electric service will not commence until 2018 (the current 2 coach 172s will maintain the timetable until the electric stock enters service). During the closure two rail replacement buses will operate, both will operate with double deckers at least every 15 minutes with extras at peak times: Route T: Barking- Woodgrange Park- Wanstead Park- Harrow Green (for Leytonstone)- Leyton Midland Road- Walthamstow Central. Operates daily 4th June 2016- 6th February 2017. Route J: Highgate Road (for Gospel Oak)- Upper Holloway- Hanley Road (for Crouch Hill)- Harringay Green Lanes- Seven Sisters. Operates weekends from 4th June 2016, then daily from 24th September until 6th February 2017. Information posted with thanks from Barking- Gospel Oak Rail Users Group. Interesting that they are forcing people on to the tube between Seven Sisters and Walthamstow. Sneaky way of making sure they get a fare from everyone using PAYG! They'll be in trouble if there are any tube strikes or the Vic Line falls over. I imagine locals will be disappointed about the Queens Rd footbridge closure as it gives such a quick link but I am not surprised it's closing. I had suspected that would happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 21:26:35 GMT
Further details about the closure have now emerged: The last day for through Barking- Gospel Oak trains is Friday 3rd June 2016, trains will continue to run weekdays only between South Tottenham and Gospel Oak until 23rd September 2016. The whole line will then be closed continuously between 23rd September and 7th February 2017, when the through rail service will resume with the current diesel 172s (but with weekend closures for further engineering work). 1000m of track in the Walthamstow QR station area will need to be lowered to provide enough clearance, thus the footpath link to Walthamstow Central will be unavailable throughout the closure. In addition the road bridges at Upper Holloway and Harringay Park will need to be rebuilt. Platforms, where not long enough already, will be extended to 4 coach length. The full 4 coach electric service will not commence until 2018 (the current 2 coach 172s will maintain the timetable until the electric stock enters service). During the closure two rail replacement buses will operate, both will operate with double deckers at least every 15 minutes with extras at peak times: Route T: Barking- Woodgrange Park- Wanstead Park- Harrow Green (for Leytonstone)- Leyton Midland Road- Walthamstow Central. Operates daily 4th June 2016- 6th February 2017. Route J: Highgate Road (for Gospel Oak)- Upper Holloway- Hanley Road (for Crouch Hill)- Harringay Green Lanes- Seven Sisters. Operates weekends from 4th June 2016, then daily from 24th September until 6th February 2017. Information posted with thanks from Barking- Gospel Oak Rail Users Group. Thank you for this. Time is being saved on by only stopping at Harrow Green in Leytonstone. Is it known whether there will be additional bus services, for example on the East London section, on routes 58, 97, 123, 158, 230 and 257. I think these rail replacements will be beneficial to me sometimes, as I make a journey every week between 2 of the station (one of the stations not directly served)
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 29, 2016 18:55:11 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Mar 21, 2016 1:04:37 GMT
A couple of relevant Mayor's Answers on the closure and service afterwards. Something tells me Mr Biggs' questions were supplied by the line User Group!!
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Post by snoggle on Mar 21, 2016 23:04:45 GMT
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Apr 4, 2016 18:47:21 GMT
Sorry to bump, but once done and electrified, will the GOBLIN trains all run beyond Gospel Oak to Willesden Junction? At the moment 2 peak AM trains go there.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Apr 4, 2016 19:00:51 GMT
Sorry to bump, but once done and electrified, will the GOBLIN trains all run beyond Gospel Oak to Willesden Junction? At the moment 2 peak AM trains go there. AFAIK trains will not deviate from the current timetable, this is probably due to pathing issues from freight and the normal North London line. There is an intention to increase running on the North London line so this would further reduce capacity from Gospel Oak to Stratford if they diverted to run via the GOBLIN. As part of the LO aspirations, it is possible trains they might increase to 5tph
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Post by snoggle on Apr 4, 2016 19:35:40 GMT
Sorry to bump, but once done and electrified, will the GOBLIN trains all run beyond Gospel Oak to Willesden Junction? At the moment 2 peak AM trains go there. Through running on a regular basis was ruled out long ago. Gospel Oak station would have to be significantly rebuilt to provide two GOBLIN platforms if trains ran through to the NLL. There would also need to be footbridges and lifts too which I doubt would go down very well with the local populace! We know Gospel Oak is not going to be rebuilt during the short blockade of the west end of the route. It is worth bearing in mind that the funny train movements on the GOBLIN, including use of the Barking flyover, are all because the 8th train is run in service to try to cope with peak crowding. Given the new trains should offer more than 100% extra capacity compared with the DMUs I'd expect all the odd workings will die when the electric trains are fully in service. Therefore if you haven't done the "hairy" workings then do them before the June blockade shuts the east end of the line. Of course in Feb 2017 when the line reopens the wires won't be energised and there won't be any trains so perhaps the current timetable will be reinstated for about 10 months or so.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 6, 2016 12:21:20 GMT
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