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Post by redbus on Apr 21, 2019 20:52:42 GMT
The GOBLIN is shut the Easter weekend, but I am not sure why. Is it TfL to maintain the three trains, or Network Rail closing the track, and if so which part of the track?
Interestingly today I rode on part of the GOBLIN!!! I went to Southend-on-Sea and Fenchurch Street trains are going from Liverpool Street. The trains go from Liverpool to Stratford - Maryland - Forest Gate and then turn onto the Goblin and go to Barking and the normal route via Woodrange Park, so clearly the Barking end was available.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 20:52:46 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn is bringing back British Rail so all these issues will be gone And reversing the alcohol ban for his ex *
* yes I know she was using the Overground
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 21, 2019 22:29:15 GMT
The GOBLIN is shut the Easter weekend, but I am not sure why. Is it TfL to maintain the three trains, or Network Rail closing the track, and if so which part of the track? Interestingly today I rode on part of the GOBLIN!!! I went to Southend-on-Sea and Fenchurch Street trains are going from Liverpool Street. The trains go from Liverpool to Stratford - Maryland - Forest Gate and then turn onto the Goblin and go to Barking and the normal route via Woodrange Park, so clearly the Barking end was available. I think the last of the 172s have to go to another operator, so I don't know how much of a service they would have been able to run anyway I will have to look for the route your train took, perhaps it is up on YouTube... I know they sometimes use that small branch line near Bow Road to get onto the LTS line from the GE
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Post by richard on Apr 21, 2019 22:38:13 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Apr 21, 2019 23:20:57 GMT
The GOBLIN is shut the Easter weekend, but I am not sure why. Is it TfL to maintain the three trains, or Network Rail closing the track, and if so which part of the track? Interestingly today I rode on part of the GOBLIN!!! I went to Southend-on-Sea and Fenchurch Street trains are going from Liverpool Street. The trains go from Liverpool to Stratford - Maryland - Forest Gate and then turn onto the Goblin and go to Barking and the normal route via Woodrange Park, so clearly the Barking end was available. Given that freight trains were running on the GOBLIN on Good Friday I struggle to see where the "track works" were on the line that day. My cynical self thinks that TfL wanted four days of no service to give Bombardier a fighting chance to repair the 3 4-car 378s. They also, at barely any notice, cancelled late evening services on Thursday which suggests to me that one or more of the trains either failed or was in very poor state. Looking at the times of the late night RRS buses goodness knows how anyone wanting to travel from Gospel Oak or east thereof who wanted a stop east of Seven Sisters was supposed to make it. A bus left G Oak at 2325 (time of the last train) but the last Barking bus left Walthamstow Central at 2350. I can't believe the western RRS bus got to Seven Sisters in 10 mins to give passengers a fighting chance of walking from the bus stop to the n/b Vic Line platform, catch a train and then make their way to the right stop at Walthamstow Bus Station! You need at least 15 mins for that connection assuming you walk at a half decent pace, know where you are going and there are no tube delays. The simple fact is that at such short notice those RRS buses should have run completely through from one end to the other to ensure people could get home. Such an arrangement seems to escape TfL's thinking. It is a contemptuous way to treat passengers travelling on late trains with last minute service cancellations. The old logic of not cancelling last services without full replacement seems to be being forgotten these days. A lot of the C2C route is closed this weekend but I suspect part of that is because of extensive track works on the parallel District Line route. Sometimes you can't run trains on C2C if LU's engineering vehicles (excavators, cranes etc) need to make moves that would impinge on the space needed by C2C trains.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 22, 2019 7:58:40 GMT
Still can't get over how bad the WMT livery is
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Post by richard on Apr 22, 2019 12:35:16 GMT
Still can't get over how bad the WMT livery is I don't like it aswell looks disgusting
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 23, 2019 20:46:56 GMT
The GOBLIN is shut the Easter weekend, but I am not sure why. Is it TfL to maintain the three trains, or Network Rail closing the track, and if so which part of the track? Interestingly today I rode on part of the GOBLIN!!! I went to Southend-on-Sea and Fenchurch Street trains are going from Liverpool Street. The trains go from Liverpool to Stratford - Maryland - Forest Gate and then turn onto the Goblin and go to Barking and the normal route via Woodrange Park, so clearly the Barking end was available. Given that freight trains were running on the GOBLIN on Good Friday I struggle to see where the "track works" were on the line that day. My cynical self thinks that TfL wanted four days of no service to give Bombardier a fighting chance to repair the 3 4-car 378s. They also, at barely any notice, cancelled late evening services on Thursday which suggests to me that one or more of the trains either failed or was in very poor state. Looking at the times of the late night RRS buses goodness knows how anyone wanting to travel from Gospel Oak or east thereof who wanted a stop east of Seven Sisters was supposed to make it. A bus left G Oak at 2325 (time of the last train) but the last Barking bus left Walthamstow Central at 2350. I can't believe the western RRS bus got to Seven Sisters in 10 mins to give passengers a fighting chance of walking from the bus stop to the n/b Vic Line platform, catch a train and then make their way to the right stop at Walthamstow Bus Station! You need at least 15 mins for that connection assuming you walk at a half decent pace, know where you are going and there are no tube delays. The simple fact is that at such short notice those RRS buses should have run completely through from one end to the other to ensure people could get home. Such an arrangement seems to escape TfL's thinking. It is a contemptuous way to treat passengers travelling on late trains with last minute service cancellations. The old logic of not cancelling last services without full replacement seems to be being forgotten these days. A lot of the C2C route is closed this weekend but I suspect part of that is because of extensive track works on the parallel District Line route. Sometimes you can't run trains on C2C if LU's engineering vehicles (excavators, cranes etc) need to make moves that would impinge on the space needed by C2C trains. Problem with the 378's is the NLL has suffered, there are various train slots cancelled throughout the day because of this. I guess the only alternative to missing the last rail bus from WSTC is to get the 58 or 69 as an alternative.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 24, 2019 20:01:41 GMT
There is a possibly interesting development with the GOBLIN service this coming Sunday. Someone has pointed me at realtimetrains.com which shows some supplementary journeys from Upper Holloway to Barking late morning and then the advertised passenger service is a x15 min headway for the remainder of the day. As there are only 3 class 378s this must mean there *may* be an attempt to run 3 Class 710s on Sunday in passenger service. That's the only practical way a x15 min service could be operated.
Obviously it's worth just saying that timetables can and do get changed on the GOBLIN at literally hours notice so it might all vanish again by Saturday! Nonetheless a potentially interesting development. The Monday service remains half hourly so no one should get *too* excited about a massive breakthrough.
Two Class 710s were out today on driver training runs but only until lunchtime. Nothing in the afternoon at all.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 24, 2019 20:12:31 GMT
There is a possibly interesting development with the GOBLIN service this coming Sunday. Someone has pointed me at realtimetrains.com which shows some supplementary journeys from Upper Holloway to Barking late morning and then the advertised passenger service is a x15 min headway for the remainder of the day. As there are only 3 class 378s this must mean there *may* be an attempt to run 3 Class 710s on Sunday in passenger service. That's the only practical way a x15 min service could be operated. Obviously it's worth just saying that timetables can and do get changed on the GOBLIN at literally hours notice so it might all vanish again by Saturday! Nonetheless a potentially interesting development. The Monday service remains half hourly so no one should get *too* excited about a massive breakthrough. Two Class 710s were out today on driver training runs but only until lunchtime. Nothing in the afternoon at all. Not going to get my hopes up, but hopefully if this is the case I might get one on my way into the city in the afternoon. Should Sunday prove successful I wonder how long they'll wait until trying to slowly remove the 378s from full time service on the Goblin and replaced with 710s. I imagine the 378s will however be sticking around in their 4 car format for quite some time after the 710s are fully in service as it's not unheard of for a new problem to manifest itself and for it to result in the temporary withdrawal of the whole fleet.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 24, 2019 20:27:09 GMT
Not going to get my hopes up, but hopefully if this is the case I might get one on my way into the city in the afternoon. Should Sunday prove successful I wonder how long they'll wait until trying to slowly remove the 378s from full time service on the Goblin and replaced with 710s. I imagine the 378s will however be sticking around in their 4 car format for quite some time after the 710s are fully in service as it's not unheard of for a new problem to manifest itself and for it to result in the temporary withdrawal of the whole fleet. I agree with both your caution and view about the 378s remaining available for a fair while yet. The first interraction of passengers with the new trains will inevitably throw up all sorts of issues - most likely CCTV images for dispatch and door operation. I suspect Bombardier will want a little time to review the data they will no doubt be collecting on Sunday to see if modifications are required. Having speculated a couple of weeks ago about possible service introduction on District Dave's an informed person agreed with my suggestion that limited extra peak time runs was the preferred strategy but obviously we must wait and see.
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Post by redbus on Apr 24, 2019 21:36:12 GMT
Not going to get my hopes up, but hopefully if this is the case I might get one on my way into the city in the afternoon. Should Sunday prove successful I wonder how long they'll wait until trying to slowly remove the 378s from full time service on the Goblin and replaced with 710s. I imagine the 378s will however be sticking around in their 4 car format for quite some time after the 710s are fully in service as it's not unheard of for a new problem to manifest itself and for it to result in the temporary withdrawal of the whole fleet. I agree with both your caution and view about the 378s remaining available for a fair while yet. The first interraction of passengers with the new trains will inevitably throw up all sorts of issues - most likely CCTV images for dispatch and door operation. I suspect Bombardier will want a little time to review the data they will no doubt be collecting on Sunday to see if modifications are required. Having speculated a couple of weeks ago about possible service introduction on District Dave's an informed person agreed with my suggestion that limited extra peak time runs was the preferred strategy but obviously we must wait and see. This does not surprise too much. Now the ORR have given conditional approval, I thought Bombardier and Arriva would move quickly to agree plans with the ORR as per the conditional approval. That just leaves driver training (anything else anyone?) before the trains can start passenger service. Given the recent runs there must now be some sort of pool of drivers that could be used for some trial passenger runs. Sunday mornings sounds like a good quiet time to try things out and see how the trains perform. If there any issues it'll have the least impact. If a train has to go out of service, you won't be chucking full train of passengers off. If a train breaks down and messes up the line it will impact fewer passengers. If this toe in the water is successful I don't think it will be long before something more regular starts. I tend to agree it'll be extra trains in the peaks once there is some sort of confidence in the trains, but these will be unofficial extra trains so they can be withdrawn quickly and easily if need be. If this is successful I don't think it will be long before a full service resumes on the line, although I think it is quite likely that some problems will emerge that need to be sorted, and more than likely cause the temporary withdrawal of the trains.
Once the 15 minute service is restored I think it will be a mixture of 378s and 710s for quite a while. Even when the service is fully 710s I tend to agree the 378s will be kept in 4 car formation for a while, just in case the 710s have a issue which mean that all have to be temporarily withdrawn. Having said that I think will be likely some weekends will be fully 710 or have more 710s to allow maintenance on the 378s.
Does anyone know what is happening to Watford - Euston DC line at the May timetable change? Is it retaining its 20 minute frequency or moving to 15 minutes or some such with a path missing each hour?
I presume the old 172s will start passenger service on the West Midlands Railway as part of the May timetable change.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 24, 2019 22:22:48 GMT
Does anyone know what is happening to Watford - Euston DC line at the May timetable change? Is it retaining its 20 minute frequency or moving to 15 minutes or some such with a path missing each hour? A look at realtimetrains for the new timetable period shows a 20 min daytime service. Not surprised by that - I can't see TfL moving to a new more onerous timetable but without the resources to deliver it. There is so much to do that even revised timetables in December will IMO be a stretch.EDIT - I'm a numpty. I looked at the wrong date in May. You are right that the service goes to broadly x15 but with a half hourly gap.
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Post by foxhat on Apr 25, 2019 8:06:32 GMT
Still can't get over how bad the WMT livery is Quite the opposite, I think it is rather smart.
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Post by richard on Apr 25, 2019 13:40:40 GMT
There is a possibly interesting development with the GOBLIN service this coming Sunday. Someone has pointed me at realtimetrains.com which shows some supplementary journeys from Upper Holloway to Barking late morning and then the advertised passenger service is a x15 min headway for the remainder of the day. As there are only 3 class 378s this must mean there *may* be an attempt to run 3 Class 710s on Sunday in passenger service. That's the only practical way a x15 min service could be operated. Obviously it's worth just saying that timetables can and do get changed on the GOBLIN at literally hours notice so it might all vanish again by Saturday! Nonetheless a potentially interesting development. The Monday service remains half hourly so no one should get *too* excited about a massive breakthrough. Two Class 710s were out today on driver training runs but only until lunchtime. Nothing in the afternoon at all. I did ask the user group about this they said its "Unlikely" they also said that @networkrail has at short notice closed the line until 13:00
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