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Post by george on May 23, 2019 14:12:47 GMT
Should have just kept the old moquette. I may be missing a joke or some humour here but are you really disliking a brand new, air conditioned electric train because you don't like the moquette? They seem to be very quiet, smooth and fast and yet the seat colour outweighs all that? I said nothing about the train, I'm just saying I'm not a fan of the moqutee or am I not aloud to say that. My post clearly says great that they are entering service.
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Post by snoggle on May 23, 2019 15:10:06 GMT
I may be missing a joke or some humour here but are you really disliking a brand new, air conditioned electric train because you don't like the moquette? They seem to be very quiet, smooth and fast and yet the seat colour outweighs all that? I said nothing about the train, I'm just saying I'm not a fan of the moqutee or am I not aloud to say that. My post clearly says great that they are entering service. I responded to two parts of an exchange which appeared to put moquette colour beyond the train's other attributes. I did ask, rather that state, whether I had missed some element of humour. As I am not a moderator you are, of course, allowed to say whatever you like. I'll just make a note not to comment in future - saves a load of effort for everyone.
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Post by george on May 23, 2019 15:36:58 GMT
I said nothing about the train, I'm just saying I'm not a fan of the moqutee or am I not aloud to say that. My post clearly says great that they are entering service. I responded to two parts of an exchange which appeared to put moquette colour beyond the train's other attributes. I did ask, rather that state, whether I had missed some element of humour. As I am not a moderator you are, of course, allowed to say whatever you like. I'll just make a note not to comment in future - saves a load of effort for everyone. I'm not going to post every good bit of the train as that would just be pointless and I've also never been on the train so would be hard to comment on it. A forum is were ideas and opinions are shared, so not quite sure why you wouldn't comment but that's up to you. 🤷♂️ 🙈
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Post by galwhv69 on May 23, 2019 17:19:15 GMT
2G** headcodes should be 710's
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Post by richard on May 23, 2019 17:28:47 GMT
2G** headcodes should be 710's They are indeed
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Post by vjaska on May 23, 2019 18:06:53 GMT
If they're as uncomfortable as the Crossrail ones, then I'll probably resort to standing on the handful of trips I'm ever likely to make. The moquette doesn't match well but if that's the only issue that we end up once someone confirms how comfortable the seating is, then it's a thumbs up overall
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 23, 2019 18:09:18 GMT
If they're as uncomfortable as the Crossrail ones, then I'll probably resort to standing on the handful of trips I'm ever likely to make. The moquette doesn't match well but if that's the only issue that we end up once someone confirms how comfortable the seating is, then it's a thumbs up overall I wouldn't say they're worse than the Crossrail ones, however I also won't say they're better than the Crossrail ones...take from that what you will lool
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Post by vjaska on May 23, 2019 18:11:25 GMT
If they're as uncomfortable as the Crossrail ones, then I'll probably resort to standing on the handful of trips I'm ever likely to make. The moquette doesn't match well but if that's the only issue that we end up once someone confirms how comfortable the seating is, then it's a thumbs up overall I wouldn't say they're worse than the Crossrail ones, however I also won't say they're better than the Crossrail ones...take from that what you will lool Shame, so a downgrade comfort wise from the outgoing trains which I found to be pretty decent.
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Post by george on May 23, 2019 18:12:50 GMT
If they're as uncomfortable as the Crossrail ones, then I'll probably resort to standing on the handful of trips I'm ever likely to make. The moquette doesn't match well but if that's the only issue that we end up once someone confirms how comfortable the seating is, then it's a thumbs up overall Don't mention the moquette! 😉
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Post by T.R. on May 23, 2019 19:03:40 GMT
Well in my experience I find the 345 & 378 seating a bit on the hard side so I can live with it.
Happy to see they’re finally in service, I take it the acceleration is miles apart from the 172s? (Pun unintended)
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Post by snoggle on May 23, 2019 20:52:53 GMT
Well in my experience I find the 345 & 378 seating a bit on the hard side so I can live with it. Happy to see they’re finally in service, I take it the acceleration is miles apart from the 172s? (Pun unintended) The difference is certainly noticeable with a 378 and they've been worked relatively hard. I imagine the Aventras will be even quicker. The disappointing thing is that despite years of work on bridges near Walthamstow Wetlands there is *still* a speed restriction there. It really should have been removed by now. Sadly although I think the Aventras should allow a complete rewrite of the timetable with much faster run times I don't think it will happen. Two issues - the entire contract structure on Overground does not incentive tight schedules, rather the opposite which is why travelling on the NLL can seem glacial at times with early stn arrivals and long dwell times. The second is the volume of freight on the GOBLIN. There is not much point have EMUs whizzing about when freight trains cannot match their performance and the aim has to be to basically keep freight moving once it's started but also not to have passenger trains running up the back of them. Sharply differential run times on a two track suburban line make little sense in that context especially with some relatively long signal sections on the GOBLIN that also don't help. The other issue with freight is that a fair proportion of it remains diesel hauled although some is now electrically hauled. The original GOBLIN scope was reduced to remove wiring of some of the freight connections off the Tilbury Line plus the Junction Road link to the Midland Main Line (MML) was descoped. The other issue is Acton Wells which is not wired to the GWML. If that was wired plus freight sidings at Acton a fair number of freights (Aggregates trains) that run over the GOBLIN could be electric. Sadly the whole Acton Wells issue is linked to the potential redevelopment of the North Pole area and is thus off the agenda for a fair while. The descoping of MML electrication also means diesel haulage will have to be retained for those workings from the Thames port to the quarries in Derbyshire. (Can you tell I've spent too much time looking at Real time trains recently? ) At some point I expect London politicians to start asking questions about diesel hauled freight on electrified lines because of air quality concerns but I can't see where any business case for infill wiring schemes will come from. I understand why Network Rail had to descope the GOBLIN works but I think it will be viewed as a wrong decision within a few years. Sadly it's very unlikely to happen but some judicious resignalling to split long sections and raise throughput is really what the line needs - assuming patronage growth resumes and the 710s do become very busy and TfL get to the point where an increased frequency is contemplated.
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Post by busaholic on May 23, 2019 20:53:48 GMT
Good they are finally making it to service but what were they thinking putting orange and green together? Those colours do not match, it doesn't look good at all in my opinion. The Good Friday Agreement made it clear those two colours MUST work together, but let's not go there.
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Post by snoggle on May 23, 2019 21:25:21 GMT
Hopefully without jinxing anything it looks like the 710s have performed decently today. Not seen any reports of delays or serious issues on social media. All the realtimetrains data for passenger trips on the GOBLIN have been pretty much spot on for the day with no demonstrable delays in the PM peak. Tomorrow will be their first encounter with the AM peak which is a tougher test but I imagine the line's users will just be pleased to have some extra trains running.
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Post by ServerKing on May 23, 2019 21:31:31 GMT
The amount of faffle involved at getting a train on the rails in passengers service is a joke. You would think it was a matter of commissioning the next space shuttle to go onto Pluto. If said rocket has Vantage Hybrid equipment it might only initially run to Jupiter and back during debugging tests, whilst a few months or so out of service at a time
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Post by redbus on May 23, 2019 22:39:06 GMT
I am only going to say one thing today - well done in getting these trains into service.
I may (I believe correctly) passed much criticism over the delayed entry into service of these trains, but I am sure many people have worked extremely hard to make this possible and I thank them. Today is the day to celebrate these trains coming into service.
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