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Post by vjaska on Jan 31, 2016 17:22:14 GMT
Sorry but they provide an important process of keeping traffic moving. If you removed the Croydon Underpass, then Croydon traffic would increase significantly and the bus only lane would have to be removed so hardly progress. Remove the flyovers and underpasses on the A13 and that notoriously busy road would get worse. Remember that on the A13 the Prince Regent Lane and Movers Lane underpasses were built this century, only being completed in 2004. The Beckton flyover replaced an old one that only existed in one direction, while Canning Town flyover was widened. East of Goresbrook Interchange it is a completely new alignment (named Thames Gateway) completed in 1999. However, I think he was referring to structures like the Lodge Avenue flyover, which is single carriageway with 4 narrow lanes and steep ramps at both ends. It was built as a temporary structure in the 1970s but there still appear to be no firm plans to replace it.   I really don't think he is referring to just upgrading an existing structure - I think he is hinting at removing all flyovers & underpasses especially with the word 'relic' being thrown in. Just imagine the chaos that would happen if the flyovers were removed from the A13 - it would simply grind to a halt and clog up local roads too. |
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 31, 2016 18:43:35 GMT
Totally agree. travelled through Bow on Sunday and boi did I regret it. To dismantle the flyover is to dismantle (in my eyes) one of the Bus Priority Schemes as the 25 uses this to improve service. But I guess that the 25 may not be the same route by the time the Flyover comes down. Even ignoring the 25's use of the flyover, the area would sadly become even more gridlocked than now as all traffic would have the negotiate the junction rather than sail over it. Makes as much sense as a zebra crossing on the M25  I can't see removing the flyover as contributing in any way. Just looking at the layout of the roundabout, aside from traffic from the A11 and A12, simple things like access to soe of the businesses right next to the roudabout such as McDonalds would be impacted as everyone will sit in traffic a little longer. If the 25 bus had the advantage of using the flyover, it should continue. So long as the engineer who re-timed the lights at Bruce Grove doesn't fiddle with the lights at Bow, it should be okay but it is a pain in rush hour. Having lived in Bow for 3 years, I know the area well. I guess we'll have to see what happens next  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 18:59:04 GMT
On roads such as Prince Regent Lane, which doesn't traffic is hell on that road, especially during rush hour and it seems to be getting worse over the last 8 months. I hope Bow Roundabout doesn't turn out like this. Thinking positively, the road up to the Flyover will be quite wider, with I assume at least 3 lanes for traffic building. Money could be spent better on traffic, such as removing bad traffic in places such as the Prince Regent Lane. There are probally others worse.
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Post by T.R. on Feb 1, 2016 8:56:26 GMT
This is gonna sound controversial, but how feasible would it to remove the roundabout itself?
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Post by snoggle on Feb 1, 2016 10:26:17 GMT
This is gonna sound controversial, but how feasible would it to remove the roundabout itself? If the flyover goes then I expect the roundabout will go too. There is space to "hold" the traffic on the multiple approaches and some holding space where the roundabout currently is. That's what I think TfL will do complete with cycle and pedestrian phases. The aim, I suspect, is that constraining capacity at Bow will force traffic to spread across various junctions north and south of Bow with traffic taking other routes other than the A11 east or west. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 17:38:43 GMT
This is gonna sound controversial, but how feasible would it to remove the roundabout itself? If the flyover goes then I expect the roundabout will go too. There is space to "hold" the traffic on the multiple approaches and some holding space where the roundabout currently is. That's what I think TfL will do complete with cycle and pedestrian phases. The aim, I suspect, is that capacity at Bow will force traffic to spread across various junctions north and south of Bow with traffic taking other routes other than the A11 east or west. Rather them get rid of the roundabout than the flyover. At Canning Town, Newham removed the roundabout and replaced it with this weird sort of thing. Even though there is not that much space for quing traffic, It seems to work, I don't know how. What happened to dutch roundabouts that TFL came up with? They more seem to be removing most of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 17:54:20 GMT
On roads such as Prince Regent Lane, which doesn't traffic is hell on that road, especially during rush hour and it seems to be getting worse over the last 8 months. I hope Bow Roundabout doesn't turn out like this. Thinking positively, the road up to the Flyover will be quite wider, with I assume at least 3 lanes for traffic building. Money could be spent better on traffic, such as removing bad traffic in places such as the Prince Regent Lane. There are probally others worse. Prince Regent suffers because they change the phasing on the lights when the traffic is bad on the A13. I have seen it regularly where only a few cars get through heading east towards the A13 slip road. The Barking road / Greengate lights don't help things towards Stratford. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 19:32:08 GMT
On roads such as Prince Regent Lane, which doesn't traffic is hell on that road, especially during rush hour and it seems to be getting worse over the last 8 months. I hope Bow Roundabout doesn't turn out like this. Thinking positively, the road up to the Flyover will be quite wider, with I assume at least 3 lanes for traffic building. Money could be spent better on traffic, such as removing bad traffic in places such as the Prince Regent Lane. There are probally others worse. Prince Regent suffers because they change the phasing on the lights when the traffic is bad on the A13. I have seen it regularly where only a few cars get through heading east towards the A13 slip road. The Barking road / Greengate lights don't help things towards Stratford. Ok. June / July time it was always alright down there. Over the last 8 months it seems to have got worse. I always walk it up there on a Tuesday evening and beat the buses. It never used to be like that during June / July. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 20:35:32 GMT
Prince Regent suffers because they change the phasing on the lights when the traffic is bad on the A13. I have seen it regularly where only a few cars get through heading east towards the A13 slip road. The Barking road / Greengate lights don't help things towards Stratford. Ok. June / July time it was always alright down there. Over the last 8 months it seems to have got worse. I always walk it up there on a Tuesday evening and beat the buses. It never used to be like that during June / July. June / July are holiday times + schools are out for July and the college also finishes so traffic was probably lower. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 4, 2016 20:21:46 GMT
I think its part of the cyclist movement with their anti car agenda to get the flyover removed at Bow. It would just mean more traffic than anything else. We are going backwards, not forwards.
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I can't see removing the flyover as contributing in any way. Just looking at the layout of the roundabout, aside from traffic from the A11 and A12, simple things like access to soe of the businesses right next to the roudabout such as McDonalds would be impacted as everyone will sit in traffic a little longer. If the 25 bus had the advantage of using the flyover, it should continue. So long as the engineer who re-timed the lights at Bruce Grove doesn't fiddle with the lights at Bow, it should be okay 
