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Post by John tuthill on Feb 26, 2016 23:01:46 GMT
People should not need an 'etiquette guide' to know how not to behave like an arsehole. "'Ere Wayne, woss etiquette?"
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 27, 2016 0:27:03 GMT
I think something has to be done about this. Back in 2014, I had T58 before its refurb on the 466 home, and there was a disabled woman in the priority seat. There was also a buggy there. The driver decided to let on another buggy, then the disabled woman and the buggy user started arguing and swearing at each other. I couldn't stand it. Thankfully I haven't seen anything since but TfL are finally doing something about it. Whether it works or not, we shall see. It wont work but i suppose TfL have to be seen to be trying
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Post by sid on Feb 27, 2016 9:00:37 GMT
Was on WVL78 on the 45 earlier today. At Brixton, the driver idiotically let 3 unfolded buggies on when a Mk 1 Gemini can only take two unfolded, so what happened - the 3rd one was positioned between the rear door and the wheelchair space (god help if a wheelchair actually wanted to board) blocking anyone from trying to get to the area beyond the rear door. This happened not once but twice because as he we got to the Brixton Station Road bus stop on Gresham Road towards Camberwell, one buggy got off and another got on - at first, the driver was going to rightfully refuse her onboard with it unfolded but then decided to relent and let her on and she placed hers in the exact same place as the buggy that had just got off. Never mind the fact that people can't pass or heaven forbid, a fire broke out! I've seen that sort of situation on numerous occasions, some drivers just sit there and allow unlimited numbers of buggies on board and then the ones that try to enforce the rules get branded jobsworths!
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Post by rambo on Feb 27, 2016 16:04:46 GMT
If I was in charge.........
I would put signs up on buses saying;
Due to the constant problems with buggies, TFL are considering introducing a rule that buggies MUST be folded at all times. TFL will monitor the situation for 3 months, if the problem continues, the ban will be introduced.
As we all know, it would make bugger all difference, but then I would bring the ban in.
Sadly, 'buggy mums' are a complete pain in the ar*e.
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 28, 2016 1:04:33 GMT
Was on WVL78 on the 45 earlier today. At Brixton, the driver idiotically let 3 unfolded buggies on when a Mk 1 Gemini can only take two unfolded, so what happened - the 3rd one was positioned between the rear door and the wheelchair space (god help if a wheelchair actually wanted to board) blocking anyone from trying to get to the area beyond the rear door. This happened not once but twice because as he we got to the Brixton Station Road bus stop on Gresham Road towards Camberwell, one buggy got off and another got on - at first, the driver was going to rightfully refuse her onboard with it unfolded but then decided to relent and let her on and she placed hers in the exact same place as the buggy that had just got off. Never mind the fact that people can't pass or heaven forbid, a fire broke out! I've seen that sort of situation on numerous occasions, some drivers just sit there and allow unlimited numbers of buggies on board and then the ones that try to enforce the rules get branded jobsworths! I hate that word and i wonder how many of these people that say it actually do their jobs to the book or wouldn't allow something. I had a fare dispute once where someone didnt want to pay wearing a Tesco uniform and i said if i walked into Tesco and took something without paying would that be ok only to have in respone no thats different!!!
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Post by snoggle on Feb 28, 2016 11:48:21 GMT
I hate that word and i wonder how many of these people that say it actually do their jobs to the book or wouldn't allow something. I had a fare dispute once where someone didnt want to pay wearing a Tesco uniform and i said if i walked into Tesco and took something without paying would that be ok only to have in respone no thats different!!! Welcome to the age old belief that it's perfectly OK to defraud public transport because it's a "public service" that should be free. Your Tesco analogy is perfectly fine and I've used that sort of example umpteen times when dealing with people trying to justify their own fare dodging.
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Post by bigbusdutz on Mar 24, 2016 10:42:04 GMT
This issue must be a right pain across the country. I know in Birmingham there has been many issues but what can they do as the mummys with buggys are the passengers that are most likely to make the majority of journeys. Bus drivers are in a catch 22 situation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 16:35:45 GMT
Yet another waste of time from TFL. Sort out the african mums with buggies. Sort out the waynetta mums with buggies. Another example of a problem not being nipped in the bud. As many of you know, I now drive buses in/around basildon. I have not had 1 single problem with buggies. Buggie mums always look to see if there is room, if it looks tight, they always ask if it is OK to get on. In london what does not help is allowing buggies to use rear doors. All buggies should use front doors, and if they don't fit down the isle, should not be allowed on. And yes, I know the usual leftie groups will scream 'what about double buggies/poor families/single mums etc etc'. I am a bus driver in London, the buggies can only use a exit doors only if it is too big and won,t go through the front doors and even so the person who pushes the buggy must ask the driver first if it's ok to use the exit doors to get on.
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Post by T.R. on Mar 24, 2016 19:39:44 GMT
Another day, another argument with a passenger who tried to force her buggy onto my platform. Then tries to argue with me where the bus stop is.
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Post by rambo on Mar 24, 2016 21:05:43 GMT
Yet another waste of time from TFL. Sort out the african mums with buggies. Sort out the waynetta mums with buggies. Another example of a problem not being nipped in the bud. As many of you know, I now drive buses in/around basildon. I have not had 1 single problem with buggies. Buggie mums always look to see if there is room, if it looks tight, they always ask if it is OK to get on. In london what does not help is allowing buggies to use rear doors. All buggies should use front doors, and if they don't fit down the isle, should not be allowed on. And yes, I know the usual leftie groups will scream 'what about double buggies/poor families/single mums etc etc'. I am a bus driver in London, the buggies can only use a exit doors only if it is too big and won,t go through the front doors and even so the person who pushes the buggy must ask the driver first if it's ok to use the exit doors to get on. And how many times has buggy mum asked to get on through back doors?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 22:06:00 GMT
I am a bus driver in London, the buggies can only use a exit doors only if it is too big and won,t go through the front doors and even so the person who pushes the buggy must ask the driver first if it's ok to use the exit doors to get on. And how many times has buggy mum asked to get on through back doors? well they don't but I make show they know about it and won't forget for next time and if they become abusive I will make sure they get off my bus
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Post by snowman on Jan 18, 2017 11:29:14 GMT
Wheelchair user wins vs buggy at Supreme Court"But what this judgement means is the driver has to make their own decision as to whether the person is being unreasonable in refusing to move, and if they are, he or she has to tell them that they are required to move, and if necessary refuse to move the bus until they shift."
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 18, 2017 11:50:06 GMT
Wheelchair user wins vs buggy at Supreme Court"But what this judgement means is the driver has to make their own decision as to whether the person is being unreasonable in refusing to move, and if they are, he or she has to tell them that they are required to move, and if necessary refuse to move the bus until they shift." It's called 'passing the buck' WE mustn't be seen to be a ".......ist" of any persuasion, so 'we' let the person with more than enough stress already i.e. the driver, have more to worry about. Supreme Court my a*se
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Post by vjaska on Jan 18, 2017 12:01:48 GMT
Wheelchair user wins vs buggy at Supreme Court"But what this judgement means is the driver has to make their own decision as to whether the person is being unreasonable in refusing to move, and if they are, he or she has to tell them that they are required to move, and if necessary refuse to move the bus until they shift." It's called 'passing the buck' WE mustn't be seen to be a ".......ist" of any persuasion, so 'we' let the person with more than enough stress alreasy i.e. the driver, have more to worry about. Supreme Court my a*se Indeed, it really doesn't go far enough TBH.
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Post by busman on Jan 18, 2017 13:59:22 GMT
Indeed, it really doesn't go far enough TBH. [/quote] Exactly. This is just a different shade of grey. The case only ruled on whether the First policy went far enough and whether it should recommend drivers should do more to ask buggies to vacate the space. The remit was never to create new regulations or guidelines. For London, I think it is down to TfL to go a step further and implement policy that buggies should be folded when requested. Problem comes when you have a mother with a new born who is also carrying shopping etc with no one to assist. It is really hard to create a policy here that is fair/workable. Wheelchair users should have the priority It's interesting that London's buses have much less space for buggies and wheelchairs than other cities. Madrid buses for example seem to have a decent amount of space designated for parking and even baby/toddler seats with seat belts. On routes where journeys are mainly short hop, perhaps TfL should consider using buses with fewer seats and more mixed use standing/parking areas to avoid conflicts. Dare I mention bendy buses 🤐🙄
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