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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 18:23:39 GMT
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Post by Paul on Mar 21, 2016 18:45:02 GMT
a) How old is this diagram?
b) Where on earth would they put any extension in Central London?
c) Medusa?!
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Post by vjaska on Mar 21, 2016 18:59:53 GMT
a) How old is this diagram? b) Where on earth would they put any extension in Central London? c) Medusa?! 'Medusa' must of been a proposed station situated at Medusa Road off Lewisham High Street.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 19:23:58 GMT
a) How old is this diagram? b) Where on earth would they put any extension in Central London? c) Medusa?! The diagrams been around for years as far as I'm aware. To be honest, I think it is a bit of a random time to post it. With the extension in Central London, they plan is at Charing Cross to use the old Jubilee Line platforms and tunnel. One of the points at first was to link the Cross River Tram at Aldwych that never happened. I quite like the extension personally, especially with the station at City Thameslink. I think the Euston extension is to link High Speed 2. It would also go to HS1 and Eurostar.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 21, 2016 20:42:48 GMT
All those "extensions" are dead and buried. There are no plans in any recent Mayoral future plans for DLR extensions. All that is planned is intensification of service levels in the Royal Docks and on links from there to Stratford. A new fleet of trains is being investigated and these are likely to be fixed formation 6 carriage units instead of having three units coupled together as now. Work to raise capacity between Stratford and Bow Church is ongoing. DLR to Euston would not offer any real capacity relief in Zone 1 and may well be unable to cope with demand at Euston. Ditto extensions to Victoria. Boris murdered the DLR extension to Dagenham Dock (more's the pity). Unfortunately no one has seen fit to indict him for this crime against public transport. You can forget about extensions beyond Lewisham as the remodelled town centre layout and the path of various rivers makes it impossible to extend the DLR. Also a possible DLR line to Bromley has been ruled out as unjustified by TfL (Bromley Council papers state this very clearly). The possible but unlikely to be built extension to the Bakerloo Line would be more likely to run to Catford. The only two very recent things I've seen that might affect the DLR are a) plans for more Thames river crossings. TfL have dangled the carrot that DLR could possibly run a new Thames crossing into SE London. b) a live consultation on developments in the Royal Docks shows a possible additional DLR station, Beckton Riverside, on the northern edge of Beckton depot.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Mar 22, 2016 16:06:50 GMT
I think that map was part of the "DLR 2020" vision published a few years ago. As far as extensions go, they are still being investigated but on the back burner. Whilst LO is being extended to Barking Riverside, never say never to a future DLR extension further eastwards and westwards
At the moment, much focus is being put on improving capacity, such as the the revised seating layout of the B2007 fleet nd the Stratford service being increased to every 4 minutes.
As Mr Snoggle mentioned, a new train is currently under development which will be one big long carriage rather than 3 separate vehicles, which will replace the entire B92 fleet and provide some additional units.
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 27, 2016 13:23:08 GMT
All those "extensions" are dead and buried. There are no plans in any recent Mayoral future plans for DLR extensions. All that is planned is intensification of service levels in the Royal Docks and on links from there to Stratford. A new fleet of trains is being investigated and these are likely to be fixed formation 6 carriage units instead of having three units coupled together as now. Work to raise capacity between Stratford and Bow Church is ongoing. DLR to Euston would not offer any real capacity relief in Zone 1 and may well be unable to cope with demand at Euston. Ditto extensions to Victoria. Boris murdered the DLR extension to Dagenham Dock (more's the pity). Unfortunately no one has seen fit to indict him for this crime against public transport. You can forget about extensions beyond Lewisham as the remodelled town centre layout and the path of various rivers makes it impossible to extend the DLR. Also a possible DLR line to Bromley has been ruled out as unjustified by TfL (Bromley Council papers state this very clearly). The possible but unlikely to be built extension to the Bakerloo Line would be more likely to run to Catford. The only two very recent things I've seen that might affect the DLR are a) plans for more Thames river crossings. TfL have dangled the carrot that DLR could possibly run a new Thames crossing into SE London. b) a live consultation on developments in the Royal Docks shows a possible additional DLR station, Beckton Riverside, on the northern edge of Beckton depot. Perhaps with the new river crossings, Thamesmead will finally get a rail service. I still find it astonishing that Thamesmead's rail connections haven't been improved.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 27, 2016 14:44:18 GMT
All those "extensions" are dead and buried. There are no plans in any recent Mayoral future plans for DLR extensions. All that is planned is intensification of service levels in the Royal Docks and on links from there to Stratford. A new fleet of trains is being investigated and these are likely to be fixed formation 6 carriage units instead of having three units coupled together as now. Work to raise capacity between Stratford and Bow Church is ongoing. DLR to Euston would not offer any real capacity relief in Zone 1 and may well be unable to cope with demand at Euston. Ditto extensions to Victoria. Boris murdered the DLR extension to Dagenham Dock (more's the pity). Unfortunately no one has seen fit to indict him for this crime against public transport. You can forget about extensions beyond Lewisham as the remodelled town centre layout and the path of various rivers makes it impossible to extend the DLR. Also a possible DLR line to Bromley has been ruled out as unjustified by TfL (Bromley Council papers state this very clearly). The possible but unlikely to be built extension to the Bakerloo Line would be more likely to run to Catford. The only two very recent things I've seen that might affect the DLR are a) plans for more Thames river crossings. TfL have dangled the carrot that DLR could possibly run a new Thames crossing into SE London. b) a live consultation on developments in the Royal Docks shows a possible additional DLR station, Beckton Riverside, on the northern edge of Beckton depot. Perhaps with the new river crossings, Thamesmead will finally get a rail service. I still find it astonishing that Thamesmead's rail connections haven't been improved. There was talk of a branch built on the Jubilee Line from North Greenwich to Thamesmead but nothing happened and the idea was clearly dropped. Still, it would of gave Thamesmead a quick link into Central London.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 8:04:28 GMT
As Mr Snoggle mentioned, a new train is currently under development which will be one big long carriage rather than 3 separate vehicles, which will replace the entire B92 fleet and provide some additional units. From Bombardier again or someone else this time?
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Post by snoggle on May 27, 2016 8:48:33 GMT
As Mr Snoggle mentioned, a new train is currently under development which will be one big long carriage rather than 3 separate vehicles, which will replace the entire B92 fleet and provide some additional units. From Bombardier again or someone else this time? It is an open process with industry suppliers - gathering ideas and concepts and understanding where the technology has / will got to. TfL will presumably be setting out their aspirations for the DLR and its operation. I've not seen anything published that indicates which suppliers have responded. At this stage there is no commitment from TfL to proceed to procuring any vehicles. Apart from some increased service levels on the Beckton Line and the line to Stratford International there is not much scope to do anything radical with the DLR. Given the scale of demand increases in London there appears to be an acknowledgement from TfL that there is little value in expanding the DLR as it doesn't offer a large enough increase in capacity. There are certainly no plans for extensions to anywhere. DLR didn't feature in the plans put forward by any of the candidates in the recent Mayoral election which says it all really. There might be a new station out near Gallions Reach as that area is redeveloped but that's it.
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Post by M1104 on May 27, 2016 9:31:46 GMT
Perhaps with the new river crossings, Thamesmead will finally get a rail service. I still find it astonishing that Thamesmead's rail connections haven't been improved. There was talk of a branch built on the Jubilee Line from North Greenwich to Thamesmead but nothing happened and the idea was clearly dropped. Still, it would of gave Thamesmead a quick link into Central London. I believe North Greenwich's third platform was intended for such an extention, now used for curtailing trains when necessary.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 29, 2016 14:05:16 GMT
It may not be physically possible, but I'd have liked the DLR extended from Bank to Waterloo via the W&C line. Alternatively, it could be extended to Charing Cross or Green Park via the former Jubilee Line section, abandoned a little way east of Charing Cross. This would be expensive to build though.
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Post by snoggle on May 29, 2016 17:18:10 GMT
It may not be physically possible, but I'd have liked the DLR extended from Bank to Waterloo via the W&C line. Alternatively, it could be extended to Charing Cross or Green Park via the former Jubilee Line section, abandoned a little way east of Charing Cross. This would be expensive to build though. None of these are possible due to tunnel sizes and the size of DLR stock. With the works currently underway at Bank there will be considerable physical structures in the way of any possible joining up of DLR and the W&C. You also couldn't turn DLR trains at Waterloo via the W&C depot. Even if you ignore all of that then you get to the serious question about capacity. Even 3 DLR units joined together can't offer the same capacity as an 7 car tube train and demand is now so horrendous in Central London that new construction has been decided as being Main Line profile and 200-250 metres long (e.g. Crossrail).
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Post by twobellstogo on May 30, 2016 16:34:28 GMT
It may not be physically possible, but I'd have liked the DLR extended from Bank to Waterloo via the W&C line. Alternatively, it could be extended to Charing Cross or Green Park via the former Jubilee Line section, abandoned a little way east of Charing Cross. This would be expensive to build though. Try going against the flow during the evening peak on the W&C, as I do most Monday evenings. You will then see why it is a bad idea to push the DLR through there! Snoggle : if we ever get a bridge at Gallions Reach, then I can see the DLR going across it towards Thamesmead and maybe Abbey Wood. Otherwise, totally agree.
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Post by snoggle on May 30, 2016 17:44:02 GMT
Snoggle : if we ever get a bridge at Gallions Reach, then I can see the DLR going across it towards Thamesmead and maybe Abbey Wood. Otherwise, totally agree. Possibly. However I suspect it will end up competing with a possible GOBLIN tunnel under the Thames to Thamesmead. I doubt TfL would be able to justify building two cross river rail links in the area although I accept they'd serve different catchment areas north of the Thames. I think we were lucky to get 2 DLR crossings plus the JLE to be honest and even serving North Greenwich was a bit of an accident - albeit now an extremely busy accident! I also suspect TfL will have enormous difficult getting the Silvertown Tunnel built because it hasn't got the money to fund it and I expect it will end in some form of legal challenge over the environmental impact. Ditto for the Gallions Reach bridge if it carries road traffic. I simply don't see where the money will come from to build multiple river crossings no matter how attractive it might be.
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