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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 10:25:18 GMT
Seen them on the 440 and the W4. What is the point of buying a handful of differently designed buses?
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Post by vjaska on Apr 12, 2016 10:34:46 GMT
Seen them on the 440 and the W4. What is the point of buying a handful of differently designed buses? Some of the smallest routes cannot take dual door buses due to either the route being too tight to handle a dual door bus (dual door buses tend to be from 9.3m & onwards) or there isn't sufficient pavement on parts of the route for a dual door bus to alight safely. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 12, 2016 11:25:39 GMT
Seen them on the 440 and the W4. What is the point of buying a handful of differently designed buses? Well would you rather that those "via the back roads" routes didn't exist? Do people in Tottenham and Chiswick and West Acton not deserve to have a local bus service? Some TfL routes', run with small buses, patronage numbersThe 440 has 1.4m pass jnys per annum The W4 has circa 3.0m pass jnys per annum The K5 has 245k pass jnys per annum The K4 has 450k pass jnys per annum The 379 has 305k pass jnys per annum The H2 has 485k pass jnys per annum We have long had different sized buses in bus fleets across the UK. One of the things I like about TfL's network is that it is relatively dense and does provide these convenient links for people. I'd love to see more such routes but I'd probably have to "eliminate" vast numbers of brain dead nimbys who deprive the majority of useful public transport {I was reading about how TfL tried three different options to give a service in part of Chadwell Heath - killed off by 6 nimbys, cowardly local councillors and 85 signatures on a petition - grrrrrr.  } |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 12:09:38 GMT
I use the 440 frequently not aware of any "difficult" sections requiring smaller than average buses. In fact the 440 gets all type of single deckers
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Post by snoggle on Apr 12, 2016 12:16:16 GMT
I use the 440 frequently not aware of any "difficult" sections requiring smaller than average buses. In fact the 440 gets all type of single deckers So why make your earlier post when you now seem to be "commenting" on a variety of sizes being used on one route rather than small buses being used where they are certainly appropriate? It's hard to respond in a reasonable way if the point of discussion keeps shifting. |
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Post by TA1 on Apr 12, 2016 12:38:43 GMT
I use the 440 frequently not aware of any "difficult" sections requiring smaller than average buses. In fact the 440 gets all type of single deckers Yes, the 440 has no real length restrictions as such but you're aware some of the DE's at PK are in the process of being refurbished, as well as some of the DE's maybe off road for a considerable amount of time for maintenance with the only available buses being SDE's and aside from the E11, the 440 is a less busier route than the 283, thus why you often see a SDE on the 440. |
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Post by linus on Apr 16, 2016 10:43:49 GMT
Travelled on a single-door single decker on the 170 from Victoria a few days ago. A bit like a rural route through Chelsea, but surprising to find a single-door vehicle in central London. The only time I've ever been on the 170 so I presumed it was normal, but I see from London Bus Routes and LVF it's apparently not. Didn't note the number.
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Post by fg49 on Apr 16, 2016 11:27:17 GMT
Travelled on a single-door single decker on the 170 from Victoria a few days ago. A bit like a rural route through Chelsea, but surprising to find a single-door vehicle in central London. The only time I've ever been on the 170 so I presumed it was normal, but I see from London Bus Routes and LVF it's apparently not. Didn't note the number. These workings happen quite often, they shouldn't happen at all as they're a right pain in the *ss. These workings should be banned. |
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Post by planesandtrains on Apr 16, 2016 13:30:33 GMT
Abellio is good at these kind of workings. Just come to Twickenham during morning rush hour
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Post by M1104 on Apr 16, 2016 13:53:22 GMT
Travelled on a single-door single decker on the 170 from Victoria a few days ago. A bit like a rural route through Chelsea, but surprising to find a single-door vehicle in central London. The only time I've ever been on the 170 so I presumed it was normal, but I see from London Bus Routes and LVF it's apparently not. Didn't note the number. The C1, then under Abellio, was officially single doored buses until around 2011, this being a route that has no double deck restrictions let alone length restrictions. The present dual doored buses are well used during the day time, evidence that conversion was long overdue. |
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Post by Gary on Apr 18, 2016 20:45:44 GMT
Ahh, I bet those commuters miss the days of 8041 trundling through Feltham High Street, crammed like sardines - you know, enjoying that rare working on 235!  |
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Post by planesandtrains on Apr 18, 2016 20:51:07 GMT
Ahh, I bet those commuters miss the days of 8041 trundling through Feltham High Street, crammed like sardines - you know, enjoying that rare working on 235! And on the R70, 490, R68 etc etc  I miss the days of having my face squished to the front window on the way to school. |
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Post by sid on May 3, 2016 6:38:20 GMT
Travelled on a single-door single decker on the 170 from Victoria a few days ago. A bit like a rural route through Chelsea, but surprising to find a single-door vehicle in central London. The only time I've ever been on the 170 so I presumed it was normal, but I see from London Bus Routes and LVF it's apparently not. Didn't note the number. These workings happen quite often, they shouldn't happen at all as they're a right pain in the *ss. These workings should be banned. Surely a single door bus is better than no bus at all? And surprising they are the norm in most of the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 7:15:53 GMT
Ahh, I bet those commuters miss the days of 8041 trundling through Feltham High Street, crammed like sardines - you know, enjoying that rare working on 235! And on the R70, 490, R68 etc etc I miss the days of having my face squished to the front window on the way to school. The R70 is interesting , in that from when London United converted it to Harrier DT branded route, patronage went up and up. At one point it had a PVR of 15 and several of those were scheduled M operation at that point. One could argue that LU themselves started the downgrade when DP's ( single doored !) were introduced. But even then, school day double deck journeys were provided and of course the old S reg DP's hold more passengers than the vehicles used currently. Along came TGM , and overnight, the resources allocated (apart from the remaining d/d LU trip) were in effect stunted. Remains so now, with the same frequency, smaller buses, yet a very reliable service ( because of handsome layover at Richmond) . I used the R70 for college as well back in the day. Always timed it so I could get on one of the pm journeys that started at Twickenham Albany. |
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Post by planesandtrains on May 3, 2016 18:50:30 GMT
These workings happen quite often, they shouldn't happen at all as they're a right pain in the *ss. These workings should be banned. Surely a single door bus is better than no bus at all? And surprising they are the norm in most of the UK. They are better than none, but the difference is the length of the bus, while 10.2/8 m buses would be normal with single doors, here in London TFL specifies them with 2 doors. The 8.9 m buses however dont have room for 2 doors. This shorter length means less capacity, which is why we mock those workings. A |
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