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Post by snoggle on May 13, 2016 9:37:34 GMT
The Mayor has announced a consultation of vastly extending the ULEZ. This would have profound implications for the bus fleet. Oh and Oxford St pedestrianisation consultation and LU ticket office closure review.
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Post by vjaska on May 13, 2016 9:56:42 GMT
The Mayor has announced a consultation of vastly extending the ULEZ. This would have profound implications for the bus fleet. Oh and Oxford St pedestrianisation consultation and LU ticket office closure review. That also means a larger part of North London will be covered compared to South London.
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Post by M1104 on May 13, 2016 10:50:53 GMT
The Mayor has announced a consultation of vastly extending the ULEZ. This would have profound implications for the bus fleet. I am guessing it would take a while for the expansion to come into 'full effect' considering that some contracts have just been awarded with existing euro4 engined buses (euro5 with the Eminox system). Such an expansion may also trigger more hybrid retrofits of diesel engine buses, like with the handfull of B7TLs soon to be treated. DB300s were already designed and built with the option of later life hybrid conversion and i believe its hybrid version is also switchable (for any operator that wishes to switch to diesel).
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Post by snowman on May 13, 2016 11:33:36 GMT
The Mayor has announced a consultation of vastly extending the ULEZ. This would have profound implications for the bus fleet. I am guessing it would take a while for the expansion to come into 'full effect' considering that some contracts have just been awarded with existing euro4 engined buses (euro5 with the Eminox system). Such an expansion may also trigger more hybrid retrofits of diesel engine buses, like with the handfull of B7TLs soon to be treated. DB300s were already designed and built with the option of later life hybrid conversion and i believe its hybrid version is also switchable (for any operator that wishes to switch to diesel). The current proposals have some 3 year exemptions, effectively deferring implementation of some parts from Sept 2020 to Sept 2023 Would be easy to use the 2023 date for further upgrade, but this might cause a problem for any recently announced route (with start dates Autumn 2016, as these could potentially run a few months after Sept 2023 (if 7 years). I think it could be managed, but would probably be a fudge allowing hybrid or EEV diesel for couple of extra years before insisting on minimum euro VI. If TfL continue with the plan to replace about 800 buses per year for next 3 years then would probably work as likely to be less than 2500 euroIV and euroV buses that don't meet ULEZ rules by then, most of which are likely to be on outer routes anyway. Be more interesting to see if they apply rules to cars, taxis, vans and trucks. Probably should be everything including breakdown trucks and road repair machinery if it is a serious policy to improve air quality.
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Post by M1104 on May 13, 2016 12:24:54 GMT
Would be easy to use the 2023 date for further upgrade, but this might cause a problem for any recently announced route (with start dates Autumn 2016, as these could potentially run a few months after Sept 2023 (if 7 years). The C10 was unusually awarded as a four-year contract, possibly in relation to the 2020 deadline. Perhaps similar will occur with other relevant contracts. In theory would this mean the 57 just about misses out or would it need to be hybridtised*? Its Clapham Park terminus (plus a handful of stops) is on the defined South Circular boundary. I'm guessing it may miss out, like the P5 at Elephant. * - non NB4L hybrid buses (apologies for drifting off subject)
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Post by twobellstogo on May 13, 2016 12:52:18 GMT
I would say that the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street will also have a most profound effect on buses...
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Post by snoggle on May 13, 2016 14:44:44 GMT
Another tweet about "first 100 days of TfL actions" for the new mayor. Worth reading through the images in the tweet itself. Notable issues - new fares structure proposals for 2017 - night tube to start on *2* lines this Summer. Presumably Victoria and Central as they're not affected by the industrial dispute on Tube Lines. - Zone 1 buses to be all hybrid DDs and electric / hydrogen SDs by 2020.
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Post by sid on May 13, 2016 15:19:11 GMT
I would say that the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street will also have a most profound effect on buses... I think it is inevitable sooner or later and what other option is there other than trams? Clearly the present situation cannot continue. I suspect the opening of Crossrail will be seen as an opportunity to implement it.
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Post by smoothcriminal on May 13, 2016 15:53:24 GMT
Off topic for buses but the 2018-20 says Dlr double tracking complete? Is that the section between pudding mill Lane and Stratford or bow church and Stratford?
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Post by snoggle on May 13, 2016 16:30:44 GMT
Off topic for buses but the 2018-20 says Dlr double tracking complete? Is that the section between pudding mill Lane and Stratford or bow church and Stratford? Both sections AIUI. I think Stratford to PML will be done first. They need Crossrail to open to Stratford so the NR tracks at Bow can be realigned to allow a wider DLR alignment between PML and Bow Church.
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Post by routew15 on May 13, 2016 18:04:55 GMT
I (know it's early days but) don't see any mention of the Mayor's manifesto pledge to "Encourage more competition in the bus sector, making it easier for not-for-pro t and mutual operations to win contracts and enabling the new TfL commercial arm to bid." I wonder when that will appear...
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Post by smoothcriminal on May 13, 2016 19:32:57 GMT
Off topic for buses but the 2018-20 says Dlr double tracking complete? Is that the section between pudding mill Lane and Stratford or bow church and Stratford? Both sections AIUI. I think Stratford to PML will be done first. They need Crossrail to open to Stratford so the NR tracks at Bow can be realigned to allow a wider DLR alignment between PML and Bow Church. Thanks for the information as always snoggle
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Post by snoggle on May 13, 2016 19:55:43 GMT
I (know it's early days but) don't see any mention of the Mayor's manifesto pledge to " Encourage more competition in the bus sector, making it easier for not-for-pro t and mutual operations to win contracts and enabling the new TfL commercial arm to bid." I wonder when that will appear... www.passengertransport.co.uk/2016/05/khan-faces-clash-over-tfl-trading-arm-plan/A not entirely surprising stance but I suspect Mr Yexley is correct as to what will transpire in due course. I suspect TfL are trying to persuade the Mayor that the costs and benefits are not what he though they'd be. It is one of his sillier ideas to be honest.
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Post by snowman on Jul 5, 2016 19:20:59 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Jul 5, 2016 19:33:33 GMT
For buses, lorries and coaches, the extension is London wide rather than within the North & South Circular Roads so by my reckoning, that means everything bus wise needs to meet Euro VI standards by 2020
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