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Post by vjaska on Dec 13, 2017 11:54:24 GMT
I was wondering why the 196 don't swap bus types with the 155 until Abellio take over the former. I'm guessing perhaps blindsets issues where the Es and WHVs have different[1] blind mechanisms and hence can't swap over....that or potemtial issues with the WHVs themselves along the 196, perhaps in relation to its rear overhang. [1] - those Es are manual wind It shouldn't be an issue as I believe at least one Gemini3 WHV has been out on the 196 before.
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Post by rhys on Dec 13, 2017 12:10:00 GMT
I doubt there is any issue. WHV's (Gemini 2's) have appeared on the 196 a few times, when the 19 was at SW. Ok, I wasn't sure whether the newer shape ones differed much in dimensions. I believe the newer ones are 10cm longer. So that could play a part in it. But being a local to the 196, I cannot see there being any restrictions along the route.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 13, 2017 12:20:21 GMT
Ok, I wasn't sure whether the newer shape ones differed much in dimensions. I believe the newer ones are 10cm longer. So that could play a part in it. But being a local to the 196, I cannot see there being any restrictions along the route. WHV83 and 93 have both been on the 196 since they moved into SW.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 22, 2018 11:16:31 GMT
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Post by snowman on Feb 22, 2018 13:48:55 GMT
Note that section 4.3 is all single deck buses in Central London will be electric from 2020 This is a change of words from congestion charge zone What is defined as Central London is unknown, is this just sloppy use of words, or has area grown?
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Post by snowman on May 16, 2018 19:31:27 GMT
Oh dear, looks like the mayor is planning to bring some town centre ZEZ (zero emissions zones) forward from 2025 to 2020, suddenly some routes will need zero emissions buses in 2 years time. (First bullet point on link), so more changes for TfL to get their head around and accommodate www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/london-environment-strategy-sets-out-visionApparently the new ultra cap buses can be configured to run purely on electric for a certain distance, so that might be a solution
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Post by planesandtrains on May 16, 2018 19:34:00 GMT
Oh dear, looks like the mayor is planning to bring some town centre ZEZ (zero emissions zones) forward from 2025 to 2020, suddenly some routes will need zero emissions buses in 2 years time. (First bullet point on link), so more changes for TfL to get their head around and accommodate www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/london-environment-strategy-sets-out-visionApparently the new ultra cap buses can be configured to run purely on electric for a certain distance, so that might be a solution If Kingston is one of them, say goodbye to routes like the 461, 715 etc.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 16, 2018 19:41:56 GMT
Oh dear, looks like the mayor is planning to bring some town centre ZEZ (zero emissions zones) forward from 2025 to 2020, suddenly some routes will need zero emissions buses in 2 years time. (First bullet point on link), so more changes for TfL to get their head around and accommodate www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/london-environment-strategy-sets-out-visionApparently the new ultra cap buses can be configured to run purely on electric for a certain distance, so that might be a solution If Kingston is one of them, say goodbye to routes like the 461, 715 etc. I imagine they'll start with town centres closer to Central London like Lewisham, Stratford, Wood Green etc rather than just jumping out at Kingston. Although most town centres don't even have zero emission buses operating through them so how they're going to manage this in two years is beyond me. Funnily enough 2020 is when the next mayoral election is, so this sounds like one last fly at glory for the mayor.
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Post by vjaska on May 17, 2018 0:36:53 GMT
If Kingston is one of them, say goodbye to routes like the 461, 715 etc. I imagine they'll start with town centres closer to Central London like Lewisham, Stratford, Wood Green etc rather than just jumping out at Kingston. Although most town centres don't even have zero emission buses operating through them so how they're going to manage this in two years is beyond me. Funnily enough 2020 is when the next mayoral election is, so this sounds like one last fly at glory for the mayor. Not only that but just a handful of zero emission deckers actually operate in London and the technology is still mostly unproven. Given that a good number of town centres in London have a far higher percentage of double deckers than single deckers, it's absurd to even suggest this as an idea. The fact he can't even get his green corridor's to be properly implemented makes me scoff at this latest idea - I guess certain routes will gain exceptions again
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Post by snoggle on May 17, 2018 11:13:21 GMT
Oh dear, looks like the mayor is planning to bring some town centre ZEZ (zero emissions zones) forward from 2025 to 2020, suddenly some routes will need zero emissions buses in 2 years time. (First bullet point on link), so more changes for TfL to get their head around and accommodate www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/london-environment-strategy-sets-out-visionApparently the new ultra cap buses can be configured to run purely on electric for a certain distance, so that might be a solution If Kingston is one of them, say goodbye to routes like the 461, 715 etc. Well let's be realistic. The 2020 "deadline" is really just a convenient bit of electioneering just done early when nobody notices. By making the date change now it looks less like an election commitment even though that is what it is. Note also that it is a "strategy setting out a vision". That is not a plan nor a budget nor a commitment. It's a suggested way forward in the future. Note also the demands for "extra funding from govt" and "extra power from govt". If he doesn't get those then it's not his fault, it's the nasty government. If Kingston were chosen then there are choices for TfL in respect of the cross border routes. 1. Exempt those routes from the regulations. 2. Require full compliance which would likely see their withdrawal from Gtr London. This lumbers TfL with the cost of replacement services on certain corridors. 3. Provide funding to assist operators in running compliant vehicles. 4. Allow euro6 or better vehicles to run on specified cross boundary routes and help fund any conversion / upgrade costs. I've no idea what City Hall would do. However I would not be shocked to see somewhere like Kingston or Richmond chosen as a zero emission zone (ZEZ). The initiatives can't all be in Central or Inner London regardless of the politics of those outer areas and Kingston does get horribly congested at times. Also having a ZEZ not too far from Heathrow would also be sending a message.
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Post by M1104 on May 17, 2018 12:28:34 GMT
Apparently the new ultra cap buses can be configured to run purely on electric for a certain distance, so that might be a solution Would be interesting to know how much longer it can hold out in that mode.
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Post by redexpress on May 17, 2018 12:43:27 GMT
Apparently the new ultra cap buses can be configured to run purely on electric for a certain distance, so that might be a solution Would be interesting to know how much longer it can hold out in that mode. From what I understand from this article, the ultracapacitor variant doesn't store a lot of energy (only 1kWh) and doesn't seem to be able to run very far in zero-emission mode, although it can run engine-off "on approach to and departure from bus stops" just like the existing E40Hs.
However there is an option for the ultracapacitors to be replaced with a 32kWh lithium-ion "energy storage system" which allows up to 10km in zero-emission mode (and can be geofenced to do so). 10km is quite impressive but that's not the variant that Go-Ahead are taking. The design does allow for the lithium-ion system to be retrofitted to ultracap buses, so that could be an option for future ZEZ implementation.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 17, 2018 15:55:23 GMT
Would be interesting to know how much longer it can hold out in that mode. From what I understand from this article, the ultracapacitor variant doesn't store a lot of energy (only 1kWh) and doesn't seem to be able to run very far in zero-emission mode, although it can run engine-off "on approach to and departure from bus stops" just like the existing E40Hs.
However there is an option for the ultracapacitors to be replaced with a 32kWh lithium-ion "energy storage system" which allows up to 10km in zero-emission mode (and can be geofenced to do so). 10km is quite impressive but that's not the variant that Go-Ahead are taking. The design does allow for the lithium-ion system to be retrofitted to ultracap buses, so that could be an option for future ZEZ implementation.
The ultracap vehicles could just run on zero-emission mode only when travelling through a ZE zone
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Post by M1104 on May 17, 2018 21:23:17 GMT
The ultracap vehicles could just run on zero-emission mode only when travelling through a ZE zone I would've thought the hybrid goes into zero-emission mode based on the percentage of stored electrical power.
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Post by redexpress on May 18, 2018 0:48:47 GMT
From what I understand from this article, the ultracapacitor variant doesn't store a lot of energy (only 1kWh) and doesn't seem to be able to run very far in zero-emission mode, although it can run engine-off "on approach to and departure from bus stops" just like the existing E40Hs.
However there is an option for the ultracapacitors to be replaced with a 32kWh lithium-ion "energy storage system" which allows up to 10km in zero-emission mode (and can be geofenced to do so). 10km is quite impressive but that's not the variant that Go-Ahead are taking. The design does allow for the lithium-ion system to be retrofitted to ultracap buses, so that could be an option for future ZEZ implementation.
The ultracap vehicles could just run on zero-emission mode only when travelling through a ZE zone But the point is that the ultracap vehicles do not appear to have any additional zero-emission range compared with existing hybrids. It's only the optional lithium-ion variant that has the extra range in ZE mode. As things stand I'm not aware of any of these new lithium-ion variants being ordered for TfL work, but as I said, they could be retrofitted in future.
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