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Post by sid on Jul 23, 2019 22:36:42 GMT
What really bursts my bubble is the fact teens that where 15, 16 or 17 in 2016 didn’t get a vote on their future. I would have said remain then the UK wouldn’t be in this mess. We were all that age once and there will always be people who just miss out. We're only in a mess as you put it because of the delay enacting the result of the referendum.
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Post by busman on Jul 23, 2019 23:23:16 GMT
What really bursts my bubble is the fact teens that where 15, 16 or 17 in 2016 didn’t get a vote on their future. I would have said remain then the UK wouldn’t be in this mess. We were all that age once and there will always be people who just miss out. We're only in a mess as you put it because of the delay enacting the result of the referendum. The root cause predates the referendum result, in that the referendum did not require a decisive majority to overturn the stability of the status quo. It’s ridiculous that we should be taken out of the EU based on a margin of 4%. Perhaps it was the arrogance of Cameron that he thought Leave didn’t stand a chance and it would be a cakewalk to silence his Eurosceptic MPs once and for all through a referendum. However rules are the rules and Remain lost. Brexit will happen one way or another. If Boris tries to deliver what he promises, which is in essence no deal (because he doesn’t have the time to get a new deal nor does he have an alternative to the backstop, so no chance of EU renegotiation), parliament will block him and there will have to be a general election. The Brexit Party will do very well and I think a parliamentary majority will be found to push through no deal. If Johnson doesn’t deliver Brexit by October 31st he loses credibility. He will kick the can down the road, but his government will be paralysed by Brexit still not being dealt with. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Boris preferring to cling to power rather than go to the polls still being in the EU. However he will end up like Theresa May as a lame duck PM if he does that. One thing I would say, is that by insisting the leave agreement is negotiated and agreed before a trade deal is even discussed, the EU have provided us with absolutely no incentive to sign up to the leave agreement. It’s all stick and no carrot. We should walk away and get on with a no deal scenario. At least the Conservatives are pro-business, low taxation which is what we need to make the UK an attractive base for international businesses and for home grown entrepreneurs. A Corbyn “all big business is bad, tax tax tax” approach won’t do anything to help us maintain the high levels of foreign direct investment we have seen.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 24, 2019 0:02:13 GMT
We were all that age once and there will always be people who just miss out. We're only in a mess as you put it because of the delay enacting the result of the referendum. The root cause predates the referendum result, in that the referendum did not require a decisive majority to overturn the stability of the status quo. It’s ridiculous that we should be taken out of the EU based on a margin of 4%. Perhaps it was the arrogance of Cameron that he thought Leave didn’t stand a chance and it would be a cakewalk to silence his Eurosceptic MPs once and for all through a referendum. However rules are the rules and Remain lost. Brexit will happen one way or another. If Boris tries to deliver what he promises, which is in essence no deal (because he doesn’t have the time to get a new deal nor does he have an alternative to the backstop, so no chance of EU renegotiation), parliament will block him and there will have to be a general election. The Brexit Party will do very well and I think a parliamentary majority will be found to push through no deal. If Johnson doesn’t deliver Brexit by October 31st he loses credibility. He will kick the can down the road, but his government will be paralysed by Brexit still not being dealt with. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Boris preferring to cling to power rather than go to the polls still being in the EU. However he will end up like Theresa May as a lame duck PM if he does that. One thing I would say, is that by insisting the leave agreement is negotiated and agreed before a trade deal is even discussed, the EU have provided us with absolutely no incentive to sign up to the leave agreement. It’s all stick and no carrot. We should walk away and get on with a no deal scenario. At least the Conservatives are pro-business, low taxation which is what we need to make the UK an attractive base for international businesses and for home grown entrepreneurs. A Corbyn “all big business is bad, tax tax tax” approach won’t do anything to help us maintain the high levels of foreign direct investment we have seen. No matter who we get, we're screwed be it Boris, someone who I did like and previously voted for but after all the stunts & bile from his mouth over the last number of years that he has pulled, have completely gone off him or Jew hating, Terrorist Corbyn and sidekick McDonald who are enemies of everything decent in Britain - a vote for them is a vote for the IRA for instance! Hopefully, they push through the Hard Brexit block which would be the worst to happen unless your rich. People are beginning to regret wanting May gone - not because she was good because she was hopeless and inept but the fact she at least got a deal that is better than no deal which would be certainly catastrophic. The saying, "better the devil you know" seems particularly relevant here.
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Post by sid on Jul 24, 2019 1:09:06 GMT
We were all that age once and there will always be people who just miss out. We're only in a mess as you put it because of the delay enacting the result of the referendum. The root cause predates the referendum result, in that the referendum did not require a decisive majority to overturn the stability of the status quo. It’s ridiculous that we should be taken out of the EU based on a margin of 4%. Perhaps it was the arrogance of Cameron that he thought Leave didn’t stand a chance and it would be a cakewalk to silence his Eurosceptic MPs once and for all through a referendum. However rules are the rules and Remain lost. Brexit will happen one way or another. If Boris tries to deliver what he promises, which is in essence no deal (because he doesn’t have the time to get a new deal nor does he have an alternative to the backstop, so no chance of EU renegotiation), parliament will block him and there will have to be a general election. The Brexit Party will do very well and I think a parliamentary majority will be found to push through no deal. If Johnson doesn’t deliver Brexit by October 31st he loses credibility. He will kick the can down the road, but his government will be paralysed by Brexit still not being dealt with. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Boris preferring to cling to power rather than go to the polls still being in the EU. However he will end up like Theresa May as a lame duck PM if he does that. One thing I would say, is that by insisting the leave agreement is negotiated and agreed before a trade deal is even discussed, the EU have provided us with absolutely no incentive to sign up to the leave agreement. It’s all stick and no carrot. We should walk away and get on with a no deal scenario. At least the Conservatives are pro-business, low taxation which is what we need to make the UK an attractive base for international businesses and for home grown entrepreneurs. A Corbyn “all big business is bad, tax tax tax” approach won’t do anything to help us maintain the high levels of foreign direct investment we have seen. I think it was inevitably going to be a close run thing whichever way it went and I'm not sure a requirement for leave to win by a decisive majority would have been acceptable. Anyway it's irrelevant now, as you say rules are rules and they can't be rewritten after the event. Walking away with no deal seems the only option now.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 28, 2019 15:45:14 GMT
What really bursts my bubble is the fact teens that where 15, 16 or 17 in 2016 didn’t get a vote on their future. I would have said remain then the UK wouldn’t be in this mess. Indeed, the people who will on the whole have to live with Brexit the longest have still not been entitled to a say on it. We last had a complete change of government in 2010. At least this was up to date as we had the vote immediately before.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 28, 2019 11:50:39 GMT
Well the Queen is certainly in a difficult position...
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 28, 2019 11:54:52 GMT
Well the Queen is certainly in a difficult position... Yes-does She vote genetically or residentialy?
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 28, 2019 12:43:18 GMT
Well the Queen is certainly in a difficult position... Not really, she only has just asked him to form a government ... despite whatever opinion she may or may not have, she will have to agree to any request.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2019 13:27:03 GMT
I'm strongly against no deal and having Boris in charge but I find it equally incredible that Terrorist Corbyn can criticise someone else over threatening democracy given his links non democratic terror groups like IRA & Hamas as well as dictators like a certain one in Venezuela. Same goes to Sturgeon who after losing the Scottish Independence referendum, tried to get another through not long after only for Scotland to tell her we're not interested and the SNP have recently put back on the table yet again.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 28, 2019 14:00:04 GMT
I'm strongly against no deal and having Boris in charge but I find it equally incredible that Terrorist Corbyn can criticise someone else over threatening democracy given his links non democratic terror groups like IRA & Hamas as well as dictators like a certain one in Venezuela. Same goes to Sturgeon who after losing the Scottish Independence referendum, tried to get another through not long after only for Scotland to tell her we're not interested and the SNP have recently put back on the table yet again. Well Brexiteer Corbyn looks to be leading this alliance against Brexit. I think Labour will be obliterated in their traditional working class heartlands in the north of England where many are angry we are yet to leave. We could potentially see something like when the Democrats and Republicans switches positions in the over civil right in the 60s.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 17:38:36 GMT
I think Boris has played a blinder here, I'm open minded whether we leave with or without a deal but you certainly don't get a favourable deal by taking no deal off the table. Theresa May eat your heart out!
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 30, 2019 15:42:12 GMT
I'm strongly against no deal and having Boris in charge but I find it equally incredible that Terrorist Corbyn can criticise someone else over threatening democracy given his links non democratic terror groups like IRA & Hamas as well as dictators like a certain one in Venezuela. Same goes to Sturgeon who after losing the Scottish Independence referendum, tried to get another through not long after only for Scotland to tell her we're not interested and the SNP have recently put back on the table yet again. It looks like next week will be interesting, especially if you work in the court service with all this litigation flying around. Corbyn has finally decided that he is for Remain... for now... Boris has done well to make Europe sit up and take note but he could crash out with no deal...
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 30, 2019 15:46:04 GMT
I'm strongly against no deal and having Boris in charge but I find it equally incredible that Terrorist Corbyn can criticise someone else over threatening democracy given his links non democratic terror groups like IRA & Hamas as well as dictators like a certain one in Venezuela. Same goes to Sturgeon who after losing the Scottish Independence referendum, tried to get another through not long after only for Scotland to tell her we're not interested and the SNP have recently put back on the table yet again. It looks like next week will be interesting, especially if you work in the court service with all this litigation flying around. Corbyn has finally decided that he is for Remain... for now... Boris has done well to make Europe sit up and take note but he could crash out with no deal... He may have made them sit up, but all this court action does is make them believe that our bargaining position is weak, so will offer no concessions, so if the court cases are unsuccessful, all they have succeeded in doing is making no deal more likely.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 30, 2019 21:09:11 GMT
It looks like next week will be interesting, especially if you work in the court service with all this litigation flying around. Corbyn has finally decided that he is for Remain... for now... Boris has done well to make Europe sit up and take note but he could crash out with no deal... He may have made them sit up, but all this court action does is make them believe that our bargaining position is weak, so will offer no concessions, so if the court cases are unsuccessful, all they have succeeded in doing is making no deal more likely. According to the papers, we'll do just fine with plenty of work for all. Sometimes one has to look back, to move forward
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 31, 2019 10:38:02 GMT
He may have made them sit up, but all this court action does is make them believe that our bargaining position is weak, so will offer no concessions, so if the court cases are unsuccessful, all they have succeeded in doing is making no deal more likely. According to the papers, we'll do just fine with plenty of work for all. Sometimes one has to look back, to move forward Ashok Leyland are only licensed to use the logo on buses ... the company who purchased Leylands trucks division, who I cant remember the identity of at mo, hold the generic rights.
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