|
Post by rif153 on Sept 4, 2019 20:50:03 GMT
t does make the Labour Party look ridiculous, they were begging for a General Election not long ago, and now they don't want a general election. I think if there were a general election, Labour would get slaughtered. They're in a tough position, reprsenting the most leave, and the most remain constituencies. Whilst they have come out for Remain now, it seems like too little too late. They'll get squeezed from both sides, the Lib-Dems hoovering up the Labour Remain votes, with the Tories hoovering up the Labour Leave votes. Of course if I were a Labour MP, I'd be afraid for my job security in the case of a general election. I completely understand why the Labour Party opposed a general election, and seeking the assurance of taking no deal off the table before a no deal exit for a good condition to but on voting for a GE, but on the other hand, it does make the Labour Party look silly.
|
|
|
Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 4, 2019 21:12:54 GMT
t does make the Labour Party look ridiculous, they were begging for a General Election not long ago, and now they don't want a general election. I think if there were a general election, Labour would get slaughtered. They're in a tough position, reprsenting the most leave, and the most remain constituencies. Whilst they have come out for Remain now, it seems like too little too late. They'll get squeezed from both sides, the Lib-Dems hoovering up the Labour Remain votes, with the Tories hoovering up the Labour Leave votes. Of course if I were a Labour MP, I'd be afraid for my job security in the case of a general election. I completely understand why the Labour Party opposed a general election, and seeking the assurance of taking no deal off the table before a no deal exit for a good condition to but on voting for a GE, but on the other hand, it does make the Labour Party look silly. Labour isn't against a general election, what they want is the guarantee of no Deal being off the table before they fight one. Currently the fear is the lack of a sitting parliament will enable Johnson to force through his No Deal Brexit.
|
|
|
Post by SILENCED on Sept 4, 2019 21:18:14 GMT
t does make the Labour Party look ridiculous, they were begging for a General Election not long ago, and now they don't want a general election. I think if there were a general election, Labour would get slaughtered. They're in a tough position, reprsenting the most leave, and the most remain constituencies. Whilst they have come out for Remain now, it seems like too little too late. They'll get squeezed from both sides, the Lib-Dems hoovering up the Labour Remain votes, with the Tories hoovering up the Labour Leave votes. Of course if I were a Labour MP, I'd be afraid for my job security in the case of a general election. I completely understand why the Labour Party opposed a general election, and seeking the assurance of taking no deal off the table before a no deal exit for a good condition to but on voting for a GE, but on the other hand, it does make the Labour Party look silly. Labour isn't against a general election, what they want is the guarantee of no Deal being off the table before they fight one. Currently the fear is the lack of a sitting parliament will enable Johnson to force through his No Deal Brexit. But why should no deal be off the table ... surely all options should remain on the table until such time as they actually decide what they want rather than what they dont want. The current 650 MPs have shown themselves to be incapable of leading a nation ... so hopefully a new 650 can.
|
|
|
Post by rif153 on Sept 4, 2019 21:49:20 GMT
t does make the Labour Party look ridiculous, they were begging for a General Election not long ago, and now they don't want a general election. I think if there were a general election, Labour would get slaughtered. They're in a tough position, reprsenting the most leave, and the most remain constituencies. Whilst they have come out for Remain now, it seems like too little too late. They'll get squeezed from both sides, the Lib-Dems hoovering up the Labour Remain votes, with the Tories hoovering up the Labour Leave votes. Of course if I were a Labour MP, I'd be afraid for my job security in the case of a general election. I completely understand why the Labour Party opposed a general election, and seeking the assurance of taking no deal off the table before a no deal exit for a good condition to but on voting for a GE, but on the other hand, it does make the Labour Party look silly. Labour isn't against a general election, what they want is the guarantee of no Deal being off the table before they fight one. Currently the fear is the lack of a sitting parliament will enable Johnson to force through his No Deal Brexit. Precisely but in the current circumstances the Labour Party are against a general election. No deal is still on the table therefore by default the Labour Party refuse t support a general election
|
|
|
Post by SILENCED on Sept 4, 2019 21:56:38 GMT
Labour isn't against a general election, what they want is the guarantee of no Deal being off the table before they fight one. Currently the fear is the lack of a sitting parliament will enable Johnson to force through his No Deal Brexit. Precisely but in the current circumstances the Labour Party are against a general election. No deal is still on the table therefore by default the Labour Party refuse t support a general election Trouble with current Labour is they are willing to say what they dont want, but seed frightened or unwilling to say what they do want ... and when they get something approaching what they were asking for, they move the goal posts yet again. If he is has to go to the EU, he only has to word it in such a way that it is very unattractive for them to grant an extension. Anyway, tomorrow should be a debate on changing the fixed term Parliments act that will just require a simple majority rather than 2/3rds.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 10:41:32 GMT
Labour isn't against a general election, what they want is the guarantee of no Deal being off the table before they fight one. Currently the fear is the lack of a sitting parliament will enable Johnson to force through his No Deal Brexit. But why should no deal be off the table ... surely all options should remain on the table until such time as they actually decide what they want rather than what they dont want. The current 650 MPs have shown themselves to be incapable of leading a nation ... so hopefully a new 650 can. Exactly, take no deal off the table and we've no chance of getting a favourable deal because the EU will have us over the proverbial barrel. If we can get a favourable deal then all well and good but if not we leave with no deal. The current situation is making a us a laughing stock around the world.
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2019 11:45:25 GMT
But why should no deal be off the table ... surely all options should remain on the table until such time as they actually decide what they want rather than what they dont want. The current 650 MPs have shown themselves to be incapable of leading a nation ... so hopefully a new 650 can. Exactly, take no deal off the table and we've no chance of getting a favourable deal because the EU will have us over the proverbial barrel. If we can get a favourable deal then all well and good but if not we leave with no deal. The current situation is making a us a laughing stock around the world. We won't get any other deal - not only has it been clear for a while now that Boris only wants a no deal Brexit but the EU will continue to hold us to ransom in any event as it's clear they don't believe in negotiations where compromises on either side have to be made. We are in this mess because MP's decided to do the usual thing and think of their own agendas rather than the country by voting down the deal we had in the first place.
|
|
|
Post by ServerKing on Sept 5, 2019 16:12:38 GMT
Exactly, take no deal off the table and we've no chance of getting a favourable deal because the EU will have us over the proverbial barrel. If we can get a favourable deal then all well and good but if not we leave with no deal. The current situation is making a us a laughing stock around the world. We won't get any other deal - not only has it been clear for a while now that Boris only wants a no deal Brexit but the EU will continue to hold us to ransom in any event as it's clear they don't believe in negotiations where compromises on either side have to be made. We are in this mess because MP's decided to do the usual thing and think of their own agendas rather than the country by voting down the deal we had in the first place. After fixing a scanner in Charing Cross this morning, I had to pop into a walk-in centre to collect an inhaler for my Uncle Fred... and saw this leaflet on the front desk
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 18:38:54 GMT
Exactly, take no deal off the table and we've no chance of getting a favourable deal because the EU will have us over the proverbial barrel. If we can get a favourable deal then all well and good but if not we leave with no deal. The current situation is making a us a laughing stock around the world. We won't get any other deal - not only has it been clear for a while now that Boris only wants a no deal Brexit but the EU will continue to hold us to ransom in any event as it's clear they don't believe in negotiations where compromises on either side have to be made. We are in this mess because MP's decided to do the usual thing and think of their own agendas rather than the country by voting down the deal we had in the first place. Boris has got the right idea, leave on Oct 31st deal or no deal.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 19:25:54 GMT
We won't get any other deal - not only has it been clear for a while now that Boris only wants a no deal Brexit but the EU will continue to hold us to ransom in any event as it's clear they don't believe in negotiations where compromises on either side have to be made. We are in this mess because MP's decided to do the usual thing and think of their own agendas rather than the country by voting down the deal we had in the first place. After fixing a scanner in Charing Cross this morning, I had to pop into a walk-in centre to collect an inhaler for my Uncle Fred... and saw this leaflet on the front desk ServerKing you have posted some crackers in the past BUT this one is BRILLIANT
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2019 21:24:03 GMT
We won't get any other deal - not only has it been clear for a while now that Boris only wants a no deal Brexit but the EU will continue to hold us to ransom in any event as it's clear they don't believe in negotiations where compromises on either side have to be made. We are in this mess because MP's decided to do the usual thing and think of their own agendas rather than the country by voting down the deal we had in the first place. Boris has got the right idea, leave on Oct 31st deal or no deal. Right idea for him yes - for the working classes like me, absolutely not.
|
|
|
Post by busaholic on Sept 5, 2019 21:34:40 GMT
Boris has got the right idea, leave on Oct 31st deal or no deal. Right idea for him yes - for the working classes like me, absolutely not. Not even the right idea for his own brother, to the extent he's quitting politics altogether. Nice line on the BBC TV news - ''he's leaving to spend less time with his family!''
|
|
|
Post by busman on Sept 5, 2019 22:12:19 GMT
Boris has got the right idea, leave on Oct 31st deal or no deal. Right idea for him yes - for the working classes like me, absolutely not. For the “working classes” no form of Brexit is good economically. Get no deal off the table, have an election and then look at how we can revoke article 50. Enough of this nonsensical bravado. We are already part of the worlds biggest trading block with the biggest clout in the world. Not China, not the US or anyone else can dictate terms of trade to the EU....or even use of citizens data for that matter. We are opted out of the Euro and the Schengen Visa scheme. So we have sovereignty over our borders and our money. The economic benefits we see from non-EU companies basing their EU operations here is substantial (think jobs, investment, taxes). We had tremendous influence and respect in the EU. Particularly in the areas of finance and medicine development/safety. English is now the most commonly spoken language spoken in day to day EU business. Not bad for a nation joining the group late in the 70’s. For those baying for no deal, I guess you have: 1. Money to choose higher quality EU/home grown produce over cheaper lower quality food imports from outside Europe 2. Jobs that will not be impacted by no deal 3. Good financial status so are not reliant on the state in any way for provision. Including education and healthcare 4. Means to hedge your finances against a devalued pound There should be a widespread overwhelming consensus to change the status quo. That isn’t the case among voters or in parliament. Because economically, it’s utter lunacy.
|
|
|
Post by ServerKing on Sept 6, 2019 4:01:59 GMT
It's not just Theresa May who repeats a bad idea... despite the Election bid failing a day ago, it seems Boris thinks Labour and Liberal Democrats will have forgotten about it over the weekend, and will surprise them again on Monday This time, like a three year old having a tantrum in Westfield over a toy Mum won't buy, he's threatening to resign, throwing the Tories into chaos... hang on, they are already in chaos... so it looks like a confidence vote to finish them off. Cue a Labour leader who doesn't like the EU, but has been told Remain is a good way to beat the Conservatives, who is going to bring equity to all, resurrect British Rail, and sort out all our problems Or a Liberal Democrat who's barely been in the job two months, in a Coalition with Tories who identify as Remainers who have been excluded like a kid from a failing Academy... Yeah, things will struggle like a Streetdeck on the 123 for the next few months, and Brexit won't happen just yet
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 10:45:33 GMT
Boris has got the right idea, leave on Oct 31st deal or no deal. Right idea for him yes - for the working classes like me, absolutely not. No deal is better than a bad deal, I'm working class and I've no problem with a no deal exit.
|
|