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Post by snoggle on Jun 1, 2016 9:48:53 GMT
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 1, 2016 10:20:38 GMT
A quick look at London's busiest routes... 25 | 19 404 105
| 18 | 17 250 335
| 29 | 15 513 269
| 149 | 14 132 774
| 207 | 12 902 635
| 83 | 12 608 987
| 38 | 12 311 621
| 5 | 12 239 947
| 86 | 11 824 921
| 140 | 11 823 873
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The 140 is catching up and is now in the top 10 busiest routes in London. Patronage on route 5 has decreased slightly while route 86 has seen an increase. The 25 has seen quite a decrease of almost around 3 million. Something I found quite interesting is that route 136 is now seeing more patronage than route 343.
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Post by planesandtrains on Jun 1, 2016 11:10:53 GMT
Yep Patronage increased on the 33, have myself noticed that journeys have become busier in the past few months. Also been quite an increase on the H22 from 1018322 in 2014/15 to 2172551 2015/16. 490 has similar figures. Both routes are stuffed during the morning rush hour. The 235 also isn't surprising. I just can't understand how a route with such high levels of patronage isn't double decker. Hell there are routes with lower figures that have DD's.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 1, 2016 12:18:13 GMT
The 109 seems to have overtaken the 12 & 53 to become South London's busiest bus route. It was in third place last year lol. Yet, despite being mentioned in a report about being overcrowded, nothing has been done.
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Post by snowman on Jun 1, 2016 13:05:08 GMT
The problem with statistics is doesn't show how long the journey is, for fun I divided the usage by PVR then divided by 365 says to give people per bus per day
83 has 1234 people per bus per day 140 is 1157 149 is 1019 5 is 1016 207 is 1010 18 is 985 86 is 982 25 is 886 29 is 966 38 is 572
Shows how overbussed the 38 is with pvr of 59 (probably should be nearer 30 for consistency)
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 1, 2016 13:13:06 GMT
The 109 seems to have overtaken the 12 & 53 to become South London's busiest bus route. It was in third place last year lol. Yet, despite being mentioned in a report about being overcrowded, nothing has been done. I'll bet the public would like a PVR of 88 as it was when it took over from trams 6&8 in the early '50's
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Post by snoggle on Jun 1, 2016 14:32:50 GMT
Well I'm just about there with updating the spreadsheet. (phew).
For those making earlier comparisons you need to be careful that you can't just put two lists side by side because each year has different numbers of routes. This has caused a great deal of work and I'd tried to prepare for this but missed out a couple of things like the 558!
Anyway a quick skim through the routes shows the following.
1. Any route affected by road works has been badly affected. Route 25 down by >3m pass jnys, 205 way down, 15 way down. Any route in Zone 1 badly affected. Almost everything running near the Elephant badly affected.
2. Routes which have seen improvements (322, G1) have seen a decent bounce in patronage. As already mentioned the 136 continues to grow while the 343 falls.
3. East London routes haven't done that well. W15 way way down. 115 down. 69 down. 58 down. 5 down. 86 down.
4. Bits of the suburbs faring better - 498 and 499 up. 97 up a bit. 240 up.
5. Finchley Road routes all down quite a bit but that may be Zone 1 roadworks causing the problems.
6. New nightly night buses on the 222 and 238 doing pretty well and already busier than more long established routes. The weekend only night buses have pretty poor patronage numbers although there's no night tube for them to connect to!! Only 5,000 pass jnys on the N132 for example .
7. Interesting numbers for the New Addington scheme - big increases on the 64 (nearly half a million more pass jnys) and 130. 359 has a healthy start - up 250% since last year. Even the 353 has had an increase.
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Post by northken on Jun 1, 2016 15:39:29 GMT
OMG, the 7 is down to 3,973,370 That's down by over 1.1 million journeys in 2 years.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 1, 2016 17:24:03 GMT
The problem with statistics is doesn't show how long the journey is, for fun I divided the usage by PVR then divided by 365 says to give people per bus per day 83 has 1234 people per bus per day 140 is 1157 149 is 1019 5 is 1016 207 is 1010 18 is 985 86 is 982 25 is 886 29 is 966 38 is 572 Shows how overbussed the 38 is with pvr of 59 (probably should be nearer 30 for consistency) Dont take the 83 much or at all, but surely the route length means that that 'bus' travels far, and collects many more passengers. You could divide that list by kilometre of route to get 'passengers per bus per kilometre of route'. This would probably send the 83 down the list. Totally surprised that the 97 went up (thanks to snoggle for spotting this) and the 69 went down. Cannot see why both would not go down. Delved deeper, and noticed that the 97 actually, and quite rare among routes operated more Kilometres this year. This by my calculations explains the increase in the patronage (143 passengers per journey it increased by which is reasonable). The 69 operated fewer kilometres and therefore went down. The 58 is the mystery to me, operated more kilometres than last year, and yet went down. Furthermore, they had very few major works to contend with.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 1, 2016 18:15:09 GMT
OK folks I think I have got the spreadsheet sorted after finding endless errors because of taking rows out, adding stuff in and formulas getting mucked around. It's too large to load as an attachment to a post so if anyone would like a copy of the updated sheet please send me a message and include a valid E Mail address.
I've added a great deal of route history information to try to explain why demand has gone up and down. There are also new calculations showing recent year on year / percentage changes to pass kms plus pass jnys per km.
It is also worth saying that I am not guaranteeing the sheet is error free. It is best to use the front "look up" sheet which allows the route number to be entered. The Master sheet contains all the data and formulae and if you overwrite this then you'll have problems! You need Excel to be able to read the sheet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 4:25:30 GMT
Thanks Snoggle all your hard work which is really appreciated by us all on the forum. I am sure other will join me in saying thanks very much mate.
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Post by Lewis J.N. on Jun 2, 2016 8:11:07 GMT
This just backs up my constant rhetoric that the 140 needs a frequency increase because the buses are always rammed!
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Post by snoggle on Jun 3, 2016 0:20:57 GMT
Having just worked my way through the night bus data there has been a pretty large reversal of fortune on the Night network. There is a handful of routes that have seen increases in 2015/16 but the rest have all seen declines. Obviously the network is Central London focussed so traffic nightmares there don't help. Even the N35 had a big drop (the recent changes won't register) - presumably people tired of being stuck for ages trying to get through Elephant and Castle at night. I also wonder if there is simply less leisure travel on the night buses now. It will be fascinating to see if the decline is accelerated when the Night Tube lines eventually crawl their way into service.
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Post by thesquirrels on Jun 3, 2016 3:47:29 GMT
Having just worked my way through the night bus data there has been a pretty large reversal of fortune on the Night network. There is a handful of routes that have seen increases in 2015/16 but the rest have all seen declines. Obviously the network is Central London focussed so traffic nightmares there don't help. Even the N35 had a big drop (the recent changes won't register) - presumably people tired of being stuck for ages trying to get through Elephant and Castle at night. I also wonder if there is simply less leisure travel on the night buses now. It will be fascinating to see if the decline is accelerated when the Night Tube lines eventually crawl their way into service. Entirely anecdotal observation made via my own circle of friends and their habits, but the explosion of Uber in the last couple of years might well have a lot to do with it. If I can get home to N15 from a house party in Forest Hill at 2am in 40 minutes, a £24 fare split between four of us may be double what two night buses would cost, but you're looking at a journey of a third of the time. I don't have an account myself but have managed to bagsie a lift in one heading home with friends for about a third of the trips I used to make on a night bus.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 3, 2016 9:46:55 GMT
Yep Patronage increased on the 33, have myself noticed that journeys have become busier in the past few months. Also been quite an increase on the H22 from 1018322 in 2014/15 to 2172551 2015/16. 490 has similar figures. Both routes are stuffed during the morning rush hour. The 235 also isn't surprising. I just can't understand how a route with such high levels of patronage isn't double decker. Hell there are routes with lower figures that have DD's. The W15 is just as bad, although it has dropped by nearly 1 million over the past year. It is carrying 4.8 million people a year.
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