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Post by snoggle on Nov 17, 2016 10:47:47 GMT
I suspect the tube has suffered because of the Southern strike days. Probably something like upto 50000 commuters who would have joined tube at Victoria and London Bridge who stayed at home on each strike day. There may also be a move to the Overground where it parallels the strike route. Good point about the Southern strikes. I hadn't considered that and it may well be a factor in the blips being seen in the LU/LO data.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 11, 2017 0:22:04 GMT
The TfL usage data for Period 9 (Nov - Dec) has just been uploaded to the London Datastore.
Bus usage still not rising. Down 4.3m on same period last year and 63m down on the year. There is no discernible slowing of the rate of decline either although the period by period decline this year is less than the equivalent periods last year (when road works impacts were very severe). Impossible to discern if the Hopper ticket is having any impact on patronage or not.
Tube usage still rising - up 22m pass jnys on last year (P1-9).
DLR, Tram and Overground all up on last year but there was a decline on the Trams in P8/9 (no doubt due to the crash).
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 11, 2017 1:09:33 GMT
The TfL usage data for Period 9 (Nov - Dec) has just been uploaded to the London Datastore. Bus usage still not rising. Down 4.3m on same period last year and 63m down on the year. There is no discernible slowing of the rate of decline either although the period by period decline this year is less than the equivalent periods last year (when road works impacts were very severe). Impossible to discern if the Hopper ticket is having any impact on patronage or not. Tube usage still rising - up 22m pass jnys on last year (P1-9). DLR, Tram and Overground all up on last year but there was a decline on the Trams in P8/9 (no doubt due to the crash). No surprise with the buses. After all they are now being treated as very low priority, cyclists and crossrail are the flavour of the month.
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Post by snowman on Jan 11, 2017 3:45:27 GMT
The TfL usage data for Period 9 (Nov - Dec) has just been uploaded to the London Datastore. Bus usage still not rising. Down 4.3m on same period last year and 63m down on the year. There is no discernible slowing of the rate of decline either although the period by period decline this year is less than the equivalent periods last year (when road works impacts were very severe). Impossible to discern if the Hopper ticket is having any impact on patronage or not. Tube usage still rising - up 22m pass jnys on last year (P1-9). DLR, Tram and Overground all up on last year but there was a decline on the Trams in P8/9 (no doubt due to the crash). Period 9 covers 13 Nov to 10 Dec which is school term and before the Christmas period slowdown Bus journeys 182.3m (previous year 186.6m, 2 years ago 195.6m, 2013 193.2m), so lower than same period for last few years, have to go all the way back to 2010 which was 178.8m journeys to find a lower number for period 9, although back then bus journeys were double the number of tube journeys, but is now only 1.56 times (which demonstrates the modal shift) I (like snoggle) can see no obvious trend of recovering patronage, appears in 2 years that approx 5% of passengers have been lost. Although not in the data store we know that pvr has gone up by 5% (9000 - 9450) in 2 years. In simple terms revenue will have dropped 5% and at same time costs up 5% which means 10% hole, clearly not sustainable.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 19, 2017 17:25:03 GMT
The period 9 financial report has now emerged as part of Finance Cttee papers for next week. A couple of bits re the bus network which confirm what's already been talked about. The last sentence re NB4Ls is interesting given the postponement of the 48's conversion. Looks like Wrightbus want the NB4L production line decommissioned so they can use it to make other vehicles.
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 19, 2017 17:30:07 GMT
The period 9 financial report has now emerged as part of Finance Cttee papers for next week. A couple of bits re the bus network which confirm what's already been talked about. The last sentence re NB4Ls is interesting given the postponement of the 48's conversion. Looks like Wrightbus want the NB4L production line decommissioned so they can use it to make other vehicles. Makes sense, at last the plug has been pulled on the LT, it will help speed up production if they are to compete with ADL. I wish they would bring back the Pulsar Gemini or SB200 rather than the Streetlite Max which is starting to show it's age against the ultra-modern Gemini3 / StreetDeck.
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Post by snowman on Jan 19, 2017 18:53:10 GMT
The period 9 financial report has now emerged as part of Finance Cttee papers for next week. A couple of bits re the bus network which confirm what's already been talked about. The last sentence re NB4Ls is interesting given the postponement of the 48's conversion. Looks like Wrightbus want the NB4L production line decommissioned so they can use it to make other vehicles. Makes sense, at last the plug has been pulled on the LT, it will help speed up production if they are to compete with ADL. I wish they would bring back the Pulsar Gemini or SB200 rather than the Streetlite Max which is starting to show it's age against the ultra-modern Gemini3 / StreetDeck. Actually Wrightbus were seriously going to close the production line last summer until they got the order for 195 buses. You are correct the plan is to convert it to another model in the range. Wrightbus actually have a bit of a short term problem (mid 2017 - 2018) as there is expected to be a lull in requirements for new buses, after which it is hoped that electric buses will have taken off. They have taken a bit of a punt by buying an adjacent factory but this could leave them with excess capacity that they need to pay for. I think I read in an interview that plan is to make majority of their own chassis in long run, they already do for streetlite and streetdeck.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 21, 2017 1:23:59 GMT
The period 9 financial report has now emerged as part of Finance Cttee papers for next week. A couple of bits re the bus network which confirm what's already been talked about. The last sentence re NB4Ls is interesting given the postponement of the 48's conversion. Looks like Wrightbus want the NB4L production line decommissioned so they can use it to make other vehicles. No surprise. One of the reasons why some operators have been gaining routes from others so that their failure would result in fines and clawing back revenue to TfL. Up to now one route I sure knew performed crap, but was still retained was W15. There has also been cases over the past 2 years of routes awarded to certain operators and not been doing well at all compared to previous operator and fines have been rolling in.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 24, 2017 23:28:20 GMT
Another of the new structure of Board / Panel meetings kicks off next week. This is the new Operational and Customer Services Panel. There are new reports to this meeting which give a slight updating of trends. Operational Performance reportCustomer Performance ReportHowever the most revealing item is on the " future discussion items" list. There is an item, not yet scheduled for a meeting, called "Future of Buses / New Bus Network". No more detail at this stage but an intriguing title nonetheless.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 25, 2017 15:09:23 GMT
They also need to roll out those new ibus display units that are on the Red Arrow 501/521. This is what I had always expect the interior ibus to be like when they talked about it around 2005. There was another country that had similar, cant remember if it was Canada or the US. Bus instead we got the cheap LED display units.
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Post by ibus246 on Jan 25, 2017 16:46:31 GMT
They also need to roll out those new ibus display units that are on the Red Arrow 501/521. This is what I had always expect the interior ibus to be like when they talked about it around 2005. There was another country that had similar, cant remember if it was Canada or the US. Bus instead we got the cheap LED display units. Berlin has a very similar system regarding screens - they are similar to the ones on the 507/521 new buses. Workerd well on the TXL service from the airport
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Post by planesandtrains on Jan 25, 2017 17:06:55 GMT
They also need to roll out those new ibus display units that are on the Red Arrow 501/521. This is what I had always expect the interior ibus to be like when they talked about it around 2005. There was another country that had similar, cant remember if it was Canada or the US. Bus instead we got the cheap LED display units. Berlin has a very similar system regarding screens - they are similar to the ones on the 507/521 new buses. Workerd well on the TXL service from the airport They also still have a large amount of text based screens on the MAN DL05-09 buses and the majority of the Citaro/Solaris fleet.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 31, 2017 15:49:59 GMT
Watching old edition of Route Masters Running London about buses. Full of lots of positive messages about reduced delays, increasing patronage. Would be completely impossible to film the same programme with the same upbeat tone today. "Yes millions of people have deserted the bus network in the last year because journeys are so slow and reliable" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
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Post by snowman on Feb 8, 2017 14:54:27 GMT
The bus journey data for period 10 (11Dec-7Jan) is now on London datastore
145.7m journeys (2015-16 147.1m 2014-15 156.8m 2013-14 155.1m)
Year to date journeys (period 1-10) 1735.5m (2015-16 1799.2m 2014-15 1823.2m 2013-14 1803.3m)
So still a huge fall in journeys that shows no sign of recovery
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Post by sid on Feb 8, 2017 16:48:52 GMT
The bus journey data for period 10 (11Dec-7Jan) is now on London datastore 145.7m journeys (2015-16 147.1m 2014-15 156.8m 2013-14 155.1m) Year to date journeys (period 1-10) 1735.5m (2015-16 1799.2m 2014-15 1823.2m 2013-14 1803.3m) So still a huge fall in journeys that shows no sign of recovery Of course the fact that many more people are now cycling since it's been made safer might have a lot to do with it?
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