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Post by CarpeDiemTraveller on Aug 5, 2016 16:28:18 GMT
But it is worth a try right? ☺
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Post by routew15 on Aug 5, 2016 16:40:44 GMT
I was thinking of starting a petition to call for conductors on the RMs as volunteers and not as paid workers. They would receive training as well and this in total, per volunteer, would slash the £65k cost per conductor per year figure. The PAs are helpful, friendly, and help make journeys safer and more convenient. What do others think? Good luck with that but I can't imagine too many people volunteering to do the job for free Not that I think it will turn into a volunteering opportunity but I think people would volunteer to be on the back of the LTs. It is a good way to start on the ladder which is customer service industry. However I think the hassle with setting it all up would be so unattractive for TfL. You have to train the volunteers (which cost money), then how do you ensure volunteers actually turn up..? many don't bother attending in the end as there is very little incentives or perks. (Whilst this exist with actual staff I'd imagine it's more of an inconvenience with volunteerships) Those that will abuse their authority or their responsibility.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 5, 2016 16:41:02 GMT
I was thinking of starting a petition to call for conductors on the RMs as volunteers and not as paid workers. They would receive training as well and this in total, per volunteer, would slash the £65k cost per conductor per year figure. The PAs are helpful, friendly, and help make journeys safer and more convenient. What do others think? Pointless. Where's the evidence that it costs £65k per conductor on route 15H? It's basically a one shift operation so costs would be nothing like that. I also don't imagine the existing conductors would like being sacked to be replaced by "volunteers". Next!
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Post by CarpeDiemTraveller on Aug 5, 2016 16:44:27 GMT
It was announced officially that the conductors on the new routemasters are being sacked on Friday 2nd September and I meant the new RMs as the conductors on the old ones are staying
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Post by snoggle on Aug 5, 2016 16:53:10 GMT
It was announced officially that the conductors on the new routemasters are being sacked on Friday 2nd September and I meant the new RMs as the conductors on the old ones are staying Sorry but I completely refuse to call those Boris monstrosities "Routemasters". They are not and never will be Routemasters and I say that as someone who's not a massive Routemaster fan. I don't bow down and worship at the "LT Crew Bus" throne as many London Bus enthusiasts seem to do. The bus companies and TfL are never going to be interested in having volunteers on their contracted services. It's not cost free anyway because who pays for uniforms, training, rostering of the staff etc? There are also issues about their role / insurance cover etc. Even if you don't pay people there is still a cost in managing them. I think the trade unions would be opposed too as it would set an undesirable precedent for them. The CAs are going and while that's tough for those losing their jobs the day was always inevitable from the moment that Bozza created the role in the first place. That's the problem with fragile political constructs - they can and will be dismantled by your opponents / those who succeed you.
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Post by sid on Aug 6, 2016 8:25:19 GMT
It was announced officially that the conductors on the new routemasters are being sacked on Friday 2nd September and I meant the new RMs as the conductors on the old ones are staying I think most of us knew what you meant Sadly from that date any similarity with Routemasters will be lost although some people will probably still refer to them by that name, I'm not sure it's a major issue
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Post by CarpeDiemTraveller on Aug 6, 2016 8:30:28 GMT
It was announced officially that the conductors on the new routemasters are being sacked on Friday 2nd September and I meant the new RMs as the conductors on the old ones are staying I think most of us knew what you meant Sadly from that date any similarity with Routemasters will be lost although some people will probably still refer to them by that name, I'm not sure it's a major issue Ok, I only had the idea as they are helpful and friendly and I know loads on the 11 as I go to school with my friend via this route.
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Post by sid on Aug 6, 2016 8:37:29 GMT
Ok, I only had the idea as they are helpful and friendly and I know loads on the 11 as I go to school with my friend via this route. Yes it was a great idea in principal but I don't suppose there will be many volunteers I think a lot of people will miss the CA's when they're gone, presumably there is no publicity about it and the hope is to sneak it through unnoticed?
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Post by CarpeDiemTraveller on Aug 6, 2016 8:38:44 GMT
Ok, I only had the idea as they are helpful and friendly and I know loads on the 11 as I go to school with my friend via this route. Yes it was a great idea in principal but I don't suppose there will be many volunteers I think a lot of people will miss the CA's when they're gone, presumably there is no publicity about it and the hope is to sneak it through unnoticed? Yeah, tbh I think they've already started as I've been noticing more 11 buses running with the back door closed
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Post by T.R. on Aug 6, 2016 8:53:46 GMT
Yes it was a great idea in principal but I don't suppose there will be many volunteers I think a lot of people will miss the CA's when they're gone, presumably there is no publicity about it and the hope is to sneak it through unnoticed? Yeah, tbh I think they've already started as I've been noticing more 11 buses running with the back door closed Right on that one. Some staff have already left (across the operators) - with no-one to cover / overtime not an option, OPO buses will become more common place until 2/9.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 30, 2016 11:28:27 GMT
It was announced officially that the conductors on the new routemasters are being sacked on Friday 2nd September and I meant the new RMs as the conductors on the old ones are staying Sorry but I completely refuse to call those Boris monstrosities "Routemasters". They are not and never will be Routemasters and I say that as someone who's not a massive Routemaster fan. I don't bow down and worship at the "LT Crew Bus" throne as many London Bus enthusiasts seem to do. The bus companies and TfL are never going to be interested in having volunteers on their contracted services. It's not cost free anyway because who pays for uniforms, training, rostering of the staff etc? There are also issues about their role / insurance cover etc. Even if you don't pay people there is still a cost in managing them. I think the trade unions would be opposed too as it would set an undesirable precedent for them. The CAs are going and while that's tough for those losing their jobs the day was always inevitable from the moment that Bozza created the role in the first place. That's the problem with fragile political constructs - they can and will be dismantled by your opponents / those who succeed you. Boris abolished Ken's bendibuses, and now Sadiq is abolishing Boris's NBfL CAs!
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Post by snoggle on Aug 30, 2016 12:12:51 GMT
Boris abolished Ken's bendibuses, and now Sadiq is abolishing Boris's NBfL CAs! Indeed, others could (but don't have to!) list Ken's demolition achievements on the bus network. As I said this is one of the problems with having a democratically accountable but politically controlled transport system. You can't avoid these political changes being forced through when administrations change. However London is / has been particularly prone to a long running series of what could be termed "disasters" (if you were being very harsh) throughout its history. All sorts of problems with external regulators, huge policy changes, attempts to be radical or innovative collapsing because the technology or people couldn't or wouldn't cope. It makes for a rich and varied history but it also means vast amounts of money have been wasted over many decades and that applies whoever was in charge so this is NOT a party political comment. For transport systems to develop properly they need a stable policy and funding environment but we seem incapable of constructing and maintaining such a framework in the UK.
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Post by sid on Aug 30, 2016 12:29:08 GMT
Sorry but I completely refuse to call those Boris monstrosities "Routemasters". They are not and never will be Routemasters and I say that as someone who's not a massive Routemaster fan. I don't bow down and worship at the "LT Crew Bus" throne as many London Bus enthusiasts seem to do. The bus companies and TfL are never going to be interested in having volunteers on their contracted services. It's not cost free anyway because who pays for uniforms, training, rostering of the staff etc? There are also issues about their role / insurance cover etc. Even if you don't pay people there is still a cost in managing them. I think the trade unions would be opposed too as it would set an undesirable precedent for them. The CAs are going and while that's tough for those losing their jobs the day was always inevitable from the moment that Bozza created the role in the first place. That's the problem with fragile political constructs - they can and will be dismantled by your opponents / those who succeed you. Boris abolished Ken's bendibuses, and now Sadiq is abolishing Boris's NBfL CAs! Rather ironic, a Labour mayor axing staff
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Post by T.R. on Aug 30, 2016 14:12:38 GMT
Boris abolished Ken's bendibuses, and now Sadiq is abolishing Boris's NBfL CAs! Rather ironic, a Labour mayor axing staff Ken did it with the original RMs :/ perhaps a pattern is emerging here ;D
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 30, 2016 14:24:09 GMT
There were many occasions today I noticed no second crew member on LTs, On LT181 while boiling to death and looking for any source of fresh air I noticed the lack of open platform despite it being a Tuesday. Then while running for a 10 the driver saw me trying to get the bus but closed the doors, I walked to the rear platform hoping it was open but the lack of CA on that route put an end to that plan.
I'm imagining a lot of CAs have left and they're not being replaced as they leave.
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