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Post by northken on Sept 20, 2016 12:16:05 GMT
Got to love the victim blaming and sheer arrogance. I bet you want them to pay road tax as well! Btw, barriers were removed because incompetent motorists crushed cyclists against them. Who is the arrogant one? Cyclists need to follow the rules of the roads especially as they are the most vulnerable. Why would a cyclist go through a red light? Does he like the game of chicken. If a driver goes through a red light and gets caught he gets a fine and has to attend a course or points on a license, the same should happen to cyclists IMHO. Yes, of course they need to follow the rules of the road. Also, if they go through a red light and get caught they have to pay a fine. There are more mitigating circumstances for a red light jumping cyclist than motorist. 96% of pavement fatalities are caused by motorists. One of the West Midlands officers catching drivers who pass too close to cyclists said that 98% of the time the cyclist is not at fault in a collision with a driver. This clearly shows that motorists need to follow the rules. Don't even get me started on the endemic of speeding. PS I'm not anti anything. I just feel like cyclists get too bad a rap. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 20, 2016 16:14:58 GMT
Who is the arrogant one? Cyclists need to follow the rules of the roads especially as they are the most vulnerable. Why would a cyclist go through a red light? Does he like the game of chicken. If a driver goes through a red light and gets caught he gets a fine and has to attend a course or points on a license, the same should happen to cyclists IMHO. There are more mitigating circumstances for a red light jumping cyclist than motorist. There should be no mitigating circumstances for anyone, cyclist or motorist, passing a red light unless your an emergency service vehicle attending to an emergency or someone moving out of the way at one when the sides are blocked. |
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Post by sid on Sept 20, 2016 17:44:12 GMT
With the construction vehicles I don't know how true this is but I have heard that a lot of them get paid per job hence why they are always in a rush, so they get a basic rate and then extra for each load they collect and tip hence there maniac driving , Whilst i'm on lorries I've also noticed that the Royal Mail 7.5t drivers also seem to be in a rush all the time driving like loonies and boy do those DAFs fly I see alot of them at night time as for the minicab drivers as I think has been said the main problem is them using there PDA devices to get jobs while driving and just randomly stopping or braking when there is nothing in front of them I see that on a regular basis wether it be Uber or Addison lee but yes black cabs aren't that much better I find they cut you up a lot and don't use indicator's but as for using phones/devices I'd say the PCO drivers are the worst culprits out of the "professional" drivers . There may be some element of that in the construction industry with self employed people but generally I think it's more about the sort of person the industry often attracts, it can be dirty horrible work and inevitably attracts people with little respect for the law, not that I'm suggesting everybody in the industry is like that of course, but it can't be coincidence that many serious accidents with cyclists involve construction industry vehicles. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 20, 2016 20:11:33 GMT
Typical daft cyclist comment. Well they are just like lemmings waiting to be killed or mown down by a vehicle. Its the same way when street furniture barriers moved from many streets because councils start to say they look ugly etc. But then they wonder why people are getting knocked over or are increasingly not using safe crossing places.
Got to love the victim blaming and sheer arrogance. I bet you want them to pay road tax as well! Btw, barriers were removed because incompetent motorists crushed cyclists against them. No I do not want them to pay road tax, that is over the top and the government earn enough money out of the road system as it is with not much going back into it. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 20, 2016 22:22:56 GMT
With the construction vehicles I don't know how true this is but I have heard that a lot of them get paid per job hence why they are always in a rush, so they get a basic rate and then extra for each load they collect and tip hence there maniac driving , Whilst i'm on lorries I've also noticed that the Royal Mail 7.5t drivers also seem to be in a rush all the time driving like loonies and boy do those DAFs fly I see alot of them at night time as for the minicab drivers as I think has been said the main problem is them using there PDA devices to get jobs while driving and just randomly stopping or braking when there is nothing in front of them I see that on a regular basis wether it be Uber or Addison lee but yes black cabs aren't that much better I find they cut you up a lot and don't use indicator's but as for using phones/devices I'd say the PCO drivers are the worst culprits out of the "professional" drivers . There may be some element of that in the construction industry with self employed people but generally I think it's more about the sort of person the industry often attracts, it can be dirty horrible work and inevitably attracts people with little respect for the law, not that I'm suggesting everybody in the industry is like that of course, but it can't be coincidence that many serious accidents with cyclists involve construction industry vehicles. The Thurlow Park Road bridge can vouch for that   |
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Post by sid on Nov 1, 2016 6:19:54 GMT
This tragedy.
A34 crash lorry driver jailed for killing family while on phone
21:54, UK, Monday 31 October 2016
Footage from Kroker's dash-cam shows him on the phone ahead of the stationary traffic queue
Video: Dash cam shows driver using phone before impact
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A motorist who smashed into a family's car while looking at his mobile phone has been jailed for 10 years for killing a mother and three children.
Tracy Houghton, 45, her sons Ethan, 13, and Josh, 11, and stepdaughter Aimee Goldsmith, also 11, died in the crash on the A34, near Newbury in Berkshire, on 10 August.
Lorry driver Tomasz Kroker ploughed into the family's stationary car at 50mph while scrolling through music on his mobile phone.
Tomasz Krokerwas using his mobile phone at the time of the crashImage Caption: Tomasz Kroker was using his mobile phone when he ploughed into the family's car
Their car was shunted underneath the back of a heavy goods vehicle and crushed to a third of its size.
The family, from Bedfordshire, who were making their way home from a camping holiday in Devon, were killed instantly.
Kroker, from Andover in Hampshire, broke down at the scene, crying and saying to himself: "I've killed them."
But he also tried to claim his brakes had failed, telling officers the traffic in front of him "just stopped - I hit my brakes but just couldn't stop".
Tracy HoughtonImage Caption: Tracy Houghton died in the crash with her two sons and stepdaughter
The court heard the 30-year-old was so distracted by his phone he barely looked at the road for almost a kilometre.
Sentencing Kroker on Monday at Reading Crown Court, Judge Maura McGowan told him his attention to the road was so poor, he "might as well have had his eyes closed".
Just an hour before the pile-up he had signed a declaration to his employer, promising he would not use his phone at the wheel.
Brothers Josh 11, and 13-year-old Ethan HoughtonImage Caption: Brothers Josh, 11, and 13-year-old Ethan Houghton
His truck smashed into a stationary queue of two lorries and four smaller vehicles which were stuck behind a slow-moving articulated lorry near the villages of East and West Ilsley at around 5.10pm.
A man was also seriously injured and four other people hurt in the crash.
Dash-cam footage showed Kroker using his phone less than a second before impact, looking up with sudden horror on his face.
His lorry ploughed into a Mazda which was thrown on to its roof, before smashing into a Citroen driven by Ms Houghton's partner Mark Goldsmith, who was with his 13-year-old son Jake.
Their car was shunted into Ms Houghton's Vauxhall Corsa.
The car was crushed to a third of its sizeImage Caption: The car was crushed to a third of its size
Prosecutor Charles Ward-Jackson said: "It is a particularly distressing feature that the two surviving members of the family were in the car behind, and a 13-year-old boy was forced to witness at close range the deaths of four members of close family."
Aimee's mother Kate Goldsmith said the prison term "does not do justice to the crime committed".
In a family statement outside the court, she said Kroker's actions turned his lorry into a "lethal weapon".
"He was so distracted, he made no attempt to slow down. The sentence of 10 years in prison will not ease our pain and suffering," she said.
Kate Goldsmith
Video: Kate Goldsmith: 'Reckless driver killed our family'
"Nor do we believe it will send a strong enough message to those who lack the self-restraint to not use their mobile phones whilst driving.
"It only takes a second of distraction to kill someone.
"Our children lost their lives because of the reckless actions of Tomasz Kroker."
She urged motorists to think twice about using a mobile phone whilst driving, and in a Thames Valley Police video posted online, added that it "sickens" her when she continues to see drivers breaking the law.
Kroker had pleaded guilty to four counts of causing death by dangerous driving and one count of causing serious injury by dangerous driving at a previous hearing
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