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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 30, 2017 20:11:53 GMT
I am very peed off as usual TfL (Taking fooken Liberties) seems to ignore people and are going ahead with pulling the 78 back to Liverpool St from June. No surprise as the 78 only had 1 bus spare which was unusual compared to the 106 which had 2 spare. Even when the 106 had a pvr upcount for the narrow way closure, one was drafted in from [AR] being DW534. This has been on the cards for a while and its a shae that they do these stupid things for standardisation.
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Post by Nathan on Mar 30, 2017 21:44:55 GMT
I am very peed off as usual TfL (Taking fooken Liberties) seems to ignore people and are going ahead with pulling the 78 back to Liverpool St from June. No surprise as the 78 only had 1 bus spare which was unusual compared to the 106 which had 2 spare. Even when the 106 had a pvr upcount for the narrow way closure, one was drafted in from [AR] being DW534. This has been on the cards for a while and its a shae that they do these stupid things for standardisation. Will all the other routes also change from June?
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Post by Nathan on Mar 30, 2017 22:21:38 GMT
I just had a other read through the consultation. Apparently the 242 would use the 172 when it gets cut back to St. Paul's. Does this mean the 172 will be extended in the summer?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 31, 2017 1:57:16 GMT
I am very peed off as usual TfL (Taking fooken Liberties) seems to ignore people and are going ahead with pulling the 78 back to Liverpool St from June. No surprise as the 78 only had 1 bus spare which was unusual compared to the 106 which had 2 spare. Even when the 106 had a pvr upcount for the narrow way closure, one was drafted in from [AR] being DW534. This has been on the cards for a while and its a shae that they do these stupid things for standardisation. Will all the other routes also change from June? It is meant to be the target date. Just have to see when its implemented annoyingly.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 31, 2017 13:26:18 GMT
I just had a other read through the consultation. Apparently the 242 would use the 172 when it gets cut back to St. Paul's. Does this mean the 172 will be extended in the summer? I don't think there is any (public) clarity about the timing of all of these changes. There is a lot involved in changing so many things and we know that TfL's performance is perhaps not at its best at present. The N2 response showed that TfL had over 3,400 consultation responses which is a lot but perhaps not a surprise. Now they may well just ignore whatever is said and implement all of it anyway but there is still months of work to negotiate contract changes, agree and then post and then implement new schedules, train drivers and controllers on amended routes and stand locations, bus stop / bus map changes plus all of the IT related work for journey planners etc. Many of the changes are also mutually dependent so *if* TfL decide to change their proposals on one route it more than likely affects at least one other route, probably more. That's when it all gets a bit daft because do you then go back out to consultation or not? Changes may then reduce the expected savings which means money has to be found elsewhere etc etc etc. My guess is that every cut and reduction that's been proposed will happen regardless but there will, of necessity, be a series of phased changes some linked to contract renewal dates. Some will be in the Summer and a few will straggle through in early Autumn. By then we will no doubt be into several more phases of changes being consulted on and yet more buses being removed from the Centre and not rematerialising anywhere in outer London.
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Post by snowman on Mar 31, 2017 14:38:23 GMT
I just had a other read through the consultation. Apparently the 242 would use the 172 when it gets cut back to St. Paul's. Does this mean the 172 will be extended in the summer? I don't think there is any (public) clarity about the timing of all of these changes. There is a lot involved in changing so many things and we know that TfL's performance is perhaps not at its best at present. The N2 response showed that TfL had over 3,400 consultation responses which is a lot but perhaps not a surprise. Now they may well just ignore whatever is said and implement all of it anyway but there is still months of work to negotiate contract changes, agree and then post and then implement new schedules, train drivers and controllers on amended routes and stand locations, bus stop / bus map changes plus all of the IT related work for journey planners etc. Many of the changes are also mutually dependent so *if* TfL decide to change their proposals on one route it more than likely affects at least one other route, probably more. That's when it all gets a bit daft because do you then go back out to consultation or not? Changes may then reduce the expected savings which means money has to be found elsewhere etc etc etc. My guess is that every cut and reduction that's been proposed will happen regardless but there will, of necessity, be a series of phased changes some linked to contract renewal dates. Some will be in the Summer and a few will straggle through in early Autumn. By then we will no doubt be into several more phases of changes being consulted on and yet more buses being removed from the Centre and not rematerialising anywhere in outer London. Another technique seems to be not hold a consultation, do an temporary change (shortening route, or lowering frequency). Then when new contract starts just make it permanent. If we assume TfL intends to maintain the number of bus miles per period, its obvious that a faster outer suburban service can cover more miles than a crawling central area route. Therefore using careful wording allows cutting back parts of the network.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 20, 2017 10:08:03 GMT
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 20, 2017 11:56:50 GMT
Surprised by some comments from the local council. Hackney is stronly opposed to the 78 changes as it "would reduce links to the Shoreditch area from south London which would be detrimental to the local economy and local accessibility. The council has been promoting businesses in Shoreditch and felt that a good bus network in the area is essential." They also cite concern for the Curtain Road and Calvert Avenue stands; the latter of course not been in use since the 78 departed it years ago; but it sounds like the council fought any opposition to have it removed as it states they "believed that this would have an impact on resilince for the local bus network." Good on Hackney!! Shout from the rooftops about these ludicrous changes from this consultation; but as I've certainly learnt, anything apart from agreeing to TfL's desires is just white noise to them.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 20, 2017 14:26:30 GMT
Surprised by some comments from the local council. Hackney is stronly opposed to the 78 changes as it "would reduce links to the Shoreditch area from south London which would be detrimental to the local economy and local accessibility. The council has been promoting businesses in Shoreditch and felt that a good bus network in the area is essential." They also cite concern for the Curtain Road and Calvert venue stands; the latter of course not been in use since the 78 departed it years ago; but it sounds like the council fought any opposition to have it removed as it states they "believed that this would have an impact on resilince for the local bus network." Good on Hackney!! Shout from the rooftops about these ludicrous changes from this consultation; but as I've certainly learnt, anything apart from agreeing to TfL's desires is just white noise to them. As I said before, TfL are a law onto themselves, do as they please then when it goes wrong with passenger numbers they go on the blame machine against everyone but themselves. We had the ridiculous situation about 2 years ago with the 82/13 proposals where they did not listen, it made tv news then was stopped by the mayor. The hopper ticket excuse is a load of bull. People do NOT like having to keep changing buses. Those from the Shoreditch area that use the 78 then normally would link with other buses within the Peckham or Old Kent Road areas. This would be an additional cost, then they wonder why people are deserting buses for Uber. I voiced my concerns to TfL over the 78, I know as usual they wont bother because of their incompetent lying excuse of standardisation. The reality is it is more of a cut for saving. They had this in mind a long time before the consultation was put out and is one of the main reasons the 78 only had a pvr spare of 1 bus. About a month ago operators were told the consultation proposals was going ahead.
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Post by routew15 on Oct 17, 2017 19:25:41 GMT
Update - 2 Oct 2017
Sounds as though Liverpool Street bus station is due to temporarily close ... again. No given date for the 11 changes but I would imagine it to be on the tail end of the power works in Bishopsgate which should be complete by end of October. Not sure how this will work as the 11, 42 and 344 are expected to share a stand it seems.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 17, 2017 21:04:44 GMT
Update - 2 Oct 2017
Sounds as though Liverpool Street bus station is due to temporarily close ... again. No given date for the 11 changes but I would imagine it to be on the tail end of the power works in Bishopsgate which should be complete by end of October. Not sure how this will work as the 11, 42 and 344 are expected to share a stand it seems. Oh dear another hole blown in the bus savings budget. Well that'll mean something else being axed elsewhere to make up the short fall. Can't say I'm upset about this as the 78 shouldn't be being cut back from Shoreditch anyway. I assume Crossrail and the City Corporation need a lot of sustained access to complete Liverpool St XR and the surrounding public realm to the standard they want. Meanwhile bus passengers can go hang. Still they've worked so hard to ensure no one uses buses it probably only means 12 or 15 people are affected a day. Perhaps they can get some school kids to produce an information video about the changes that ensures no uses a bus ever again?
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 17, 2017 22:01:44 GMT
Update - 2 Oct 2017
Sounds as though Liverpool Street bus station is due to temporarily close ... again. No given date for the 11 changes but I would imagine it to be on the tail end of the power works in Bishopsgate which should be complete by end of October. Not sure how this will work as the 11, 42 and 344 are expected to share a stand it seems. Oh dear another hole blown in the bus savings budget. Well that'll mean something else being axed elsewhere to make up the short fall. Can't say I'm upset about this was the 78 shouldn't be being cut back from Shoreditch anyway. I assume Crossrail and the City Corporation need a lot of sustained access to complete Liverpool St XR and the surrounding public realm to the standard they want. Meanwhile bus passengers can go hang. Still they've worked so hard to ensure no one uses buses it probably only means 12 or 15 people are affected a day. Perhaps they can get some school kids to produce an information video about the changes that ensures no uses a bus ever again? in my daughter's school they adapt traditional songs to help the Year 3 kids learn about our changing transport system and how to adapt " 🎶 There's a hole in the Budget, dear Sadiq, dear Sadiq, There's a hole in the Budget, dear Sadiq, a hole... 🎶"
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Post by redwave on Oct 17, 2017 22:56:02 GMT
Closure is provisionally from 4 November to mid November 2018.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 18, 2017 10:53:42 GMT
Closure is provisionally from 4 November to mid November 2018. Whoa, that was far longer than I thought it would be. Do you know what the stand arrangements for the 11 and 133 are going to be?
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Post by redwave on Oct 18, 2017 11:33:50 GMT
I don’t have any finalised information, hopefully TfL will make info available nearer the time.
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