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Post by routew15 on Sept 27, 2018 12:44:03 GMT
Was not expecting that result at all. Completely surprised by the decision reached by Ealing council.
I expect a reduction in required buses can be expected for 112 at some point in the future
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 12:47:15 GMT
Was not expecting that result at all. Completely surprised by the decision reached by Ealing council. I expect a reduction in required buses can be expected for 112 at some point in the future I don't believe there is a PVR saving.
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Post by routew15 on Sept 27, 2018 12:58:44 GMT
Was not expecting that result at all. Completely surprised by the decision reached by Ealing council. I expect a reduction in required buses can be expected for 112 at some point in the future I don't believe there is a PVR saving. Ok. I just though time would be saved through this new routing... It does appear shorter by at least 3 or 4 minutes
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Post by TA1 on Sept 27, 2018 13:04:35 GMT
Very strange result as Madeley Road is used as a rat run more so in the evening rush hour, perhaps this re-routing could see the route lose even more time than what it currently does in the rush hour through North Ealing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 13:13:51 GMT
I don't believe there is a PVR saving. Ok. I just though time would be saved through this new routing... It does appear shorter by at least 3 or 4 minutes All depends how much time TfL were hoping to save. Having used that road a few times I agree with the rat run issues, and that the savings in the end will not account to that much!
If any PVR is saved it will result in a reduction in reliability.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 27, 2018 13:25:22 GMT
I don't believe there is a PVR saving. Ok. I just though time would be saved through this new routing... It does appear shorter by at least 3 or 4 minutes Sadly, as others expressed, Madeley Road can be problematic which will likely just make the 112 worse - they really should of just left it alone.
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Post by danorak on Sept 27, 2018 13:27:23 GMT
Also this will spell the end of DDs on the route, despite continual loading concerns. Although according to the 'issues raised' document: Can double deck buses be used on route 112 to reduce overcrowding?While buses can be busy on the route, there is currently a high frequency service during the peaks using 60-capacity single-deck buses. At present there are no plans to use double decker buses on this route; however we will be investigating potential options for this in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 15:32:02 GMT
Makes me laugh. There is no addressing factually why they’ve decided to implement when the majority were against. All it says is something to do with the road surface !!
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Post by COBO on Sept 27, 2018 15:50:15 GMT
And the 483 gets to struggle alone. Well done TfL. Well done.
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Post by met120 on Sept 27, 2018 16:59:13 GMT
That’s gonna affect some but I guess the justification will be the hopper fare.
As far as any reduction, they would be insane to reduce the amount of buses. I saw a TEH that was jam packed leaving Ealing Broadway about 40 mins ago and the single deckers can also be loaded too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 8:47:33 GMT
Without chopping all the overhanging trees down Madeley Road cannot take DDs. It is just yet another farce as we have frequently been asked how we can address the consistent capacity concerns. And our answer is always to use DDs.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 28, 2018 17:32:39 GMT
Without chopping all the overhanging trees down Madeley Road cannot take DDs. It is just yet another farce as we have frequently been asked how we can address the consistent capacity concerns. And our answer is always to use DDs. I assume the people at TfL sit there with their hands over their ears going "la la la not listening"? It's not exactly difficult is it - you put on larger vehicles if you are prepared to fund a higher frequency. I suspect TfL may be regretting that they increased the frequencies on the 112 and 232. Both routes have piled on patronage since 2014 when frequencies were upped. The 232 looks to be the worst affected in that it is now overloaded according to my "rough and ready" frequency calculator. There must be some really horribly overloaded trips on that route these days. I'd have thought the 232 could take double deckers or is there a problem at St Raphaels? Have to say I am mildly astonished that the diversion of the 112 is going to take place. I thought it was dead in the current funding environment. I assume there will have to be a stop change at Ealing Broadway as it won't be able to pick up from outside of the station anymore? A loop around Haven Green would seem to be necessary to get buses on to Madeley Road.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 18:01:36 GMT
Without chopping all the overhanging trees down Madeley Road cannot take DDs. It is just yet another farce as we have frequently been asked how we can address the consistent capacity concerns. And our answer is always to use DDs. I assume the people at TfL sit there with their hands over their ears going "la la la not listening"? It's not exactly difficult is it - you put on larger vehicles if you are prepared to fund a higher frequency. I suspect TfL may be regretting that they increased the frequencies on the 112 and 232. Both routes have piled on patronage since 2014 when frequencies were upped. The 232 looks to be the worst affected in that it is now overloaded according to my "rough and ready" frequency calculator. There must be some really horribly overloaded trips on that route these days. I'd have thought the 232 could take double deckers or is there a problem at St Raphaels? Have to say I am mildly astonished that the diversion of the 112 is going to take place. I thought it was dead in the current funding environment. I assume there will have to be a stop change at Ealing Broadway as it won't be able to pick up from outside of the station anymore? A loop around Haven Green would seem to be necessary to get buses on to Madeley Road. I have seen horribly loaded 232s leaving behind at Brent Cross. Both 112 and 232 need DDs.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Sept 29, 2018 11:21:02 GMT
I assume the people at TfL sit there with their hands over their ears going "la la la not listening"? It's not exactly difficult is it - you put on larger vehicles if you are prepared to fund a higher frequency. I suspect TfL may be regretting that they increased the frequencies on the 112 and 232. Both routes have piled on patronage since 2014 when frequencies were upped. The 232 looks to be the worst affected in that it is now overloaded according to my "rough and ready" frequency calculator. There must be some really horribly overloaded trips on that route these days. I'd have thought the 232 could take double deckers or is there a problem at St Raphaels? Have to say I am mildly astonished that the diversion of the 112 is going to take place. I thought it was dead in the current funding environment. I assume there will have to be a stop change at Ealing Broadway as it won't be able to pick up from outside of the station anymore? A loop around Haven Green would seem to be necessary to get buses on to Madeley Road. I have seen horribly loaded 232s leaving behind at Brent Cross. Both 112 and 232 need DDs. Having previously driven both routes, I couldn’t agree with you more. All it takes is abit of North circular traffic and both routes fall apart. Let’s not mention Christmas shoppers at Ealing, Brent Cross and Wood Green and the traffic that causes, events in Wembley etc. Both routes need deckers, when I worked at W the old TA/TAL’s occasionally used to stray onto the 232. It was a breath of fresh air, these buses were traditionally slow and I used to get headaches from driving them but during the day they were welcomed. The idea of the 112 Madeley Road diversion won’t help it, the 483 is now left to struggle alone as previously mentioned, and of course the DD’s that stray will no longer. I can’t get behind this one at all.
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Post by ian on Sept 29, 2018 13:07:46 GMT
I’ve also seen totally overloaded 232s around Arnos Grove at various times.
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