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Post by JaysBusPhotos on Apr 7, 2017 23:35:08 GMT
Worker and commuter safety is the only thing I can think of but for what they have done it's still pointless in my opinion, I don't see redoing the road surface taking more than one night per bus stop, as croydonguy said other than the road/pavement and new seats the Station is the same. I think the old surface was with those small blocks. They are notorious for being completely wrecked after a few years of buses driving over them / stopping in the same place. The problem is that the foundations underneath them also get hammered. If there are any services under that they run the risk of damage too. Therefore what you imagine was a simple job probably wasn't and you can't dig up a road properly and fully reinstate it, including new or repaired services, in a night. Whether it takes months is a perfectly valid point but beware the illusion of a "oh it's such a small and simple job". It almost certainly wasn't once they dug stuff up and took a look. As I have posted before I've yet to see works on a TfL bus station run completely to time and to start on the right date and complete when originally anticipated. That's a good point, you don't think about what's under the surface or complications that the engineers might face along the way. Still think more improvements could have been done in the time it took but its functional and looks decent and that the main thing.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2017 0:21:21 GMT
I think the old surface was with those small blocks. They are notorious for being completely wrecked after a few years of buses driving over them / stopping in the same place. The problem is that the foundations underneath them also get hammered. If there are any services under that they run the risk of damage too. Therefore what you imagine was a simple job probably wasn't and you can't dig up a road properly and fully reinstate it, including new or repaired services, in a night. Whether it takes months is a perfectly valid point but beware the illusion of a "oh it's such a small and simple job". It almost certainly wasn't once they dug stuff up and took a look. As I have posted before I've yet to see works on a TfL bus station run completely to time and to start on the right date and complete when originally anticipated. That's a good point, you don't think about what's under the surface or complications that the engineers might face along the way. Still think more improvements could have been done in the time it took but its functional and looks decent and that the main thing. Have they put tarmac down or identical bricks to what it had before? I hate the use of bricks on non pedestrianised roads as they get worn to pieces so easily yet many town centres insist on specifying them rather than tarmac. You then end up with an uneven surface through either a lack of care or attention or through a bodge job by removing broken bricks and tarmacing the gap left behind.
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Post by JaysBusPhotos on Apr 8, 2017 0:52:51 GMT
That's a good point, you don't think about what's under the surface or complications that the engineers might face along the way. Still think more improvements could have been done in the time it took but its functional and looks decent and that the main thing. Have they put tarmac down or identical bricks to what it had before? I hate the use of bricks on non pedestrianised roads as they get worn to pieces so easily yet many town centres insist on specifying them rather than tarmac. You then end up with an uneven surface through either a lack of care or attention or through a bodge job by removing broken bricks and tarmacing the gap left behind. It's tarmac. I have the same view on bricks, it look nice in the beginning but after a while it looks bad. Bromley North's bus stop is a good example of why it's a bad idea, uneven, bodge fixes, just as you say. Here's a part of the stop at Bromley, the photo makes it look better than it is.
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Post by sid on Apr 8, 2017 20:33:39 GMT
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Post by JaysBusPhotos on Apr 8, 2017 20:53:07 GMT
Looks cleaner than it was but still think more could have been done in the time it took.
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Post by sid on Apr 8, 2017 20:54:54 GMT
I took some photos whilst there this morning, you really have to wonder how this took about six months. As has been alluded to there is no reason why it couldn't have been closed in stages allowing at least one of the three bays to remain operational. The Addiscombe Road routes could have still stopped there rather than the 119 and 466 having to non stop. I do wonder why the 367 stops there? Did it previously? I can't remember. It stops in Dingwall Road and Cherry Orchard Road so I can't see any obvious reason for it to stop there as well?
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Post by JaysBusPhotos on Apr 8, 2017 21:44:57 GMT
I took some photos whilst there this morning, you really have to wonder how this took about six months. As has been alluded to there is no reason why it couldn't have been closed in stages allowing at least one of the three bays to remain operational. The Addiscombe Road routes could have still stopped there rather than the 119 and 466 having to non stop. I do wonder why the 367 stops there? Did it previously? I can't remember. It stops in Dingwall Road and Cherry Orchard Road so I can't see any obvious reason for it to stop there as well? As snoggle said the reason it was closed was probably something to do with safety concerns, I still think keeping one open for the 119 & 466 could have been done. As for what was done to the station the only improvement in my opinion is the bricks being replaced with Tarmac. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the 367 did, I sure I've see one in there before. Now that you mention the 367 it don't make sense, the 410 dose the same as the 367 and don't stop in there the 197, 312 don't ether and they only stop on Cherry Orchard Road.
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Post by Max B on Apr 8, 2017 22:01:00 GMT
I took some photos whilst there this morning, you really have to wonder how this took about six months. As has been alluded to there is no reason why it couldn't have been closed in stages allowing at least one of the three bays to remain operational. The Addiscombe Road routes could have still stopped there rather than the 119 and 466 having to non stop. I do wonder why the 367 stops there? Did it previously? I can't remember. It stops in Dingwall Road and Cherry Orchard Road so I can't see any obvious reason for it to stop there as well? As snoggle said the reason it was closed was probably something to do with safety concerns, I still think keeping one open for the 119 & 466 could have been done. As for what was done to the station the only improvement in my opinion is the bricks being replaced with Tarmac. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the 367 did, I sure I've see one in there before. Now that you mention the 367 it don't make sense, the 410 dose the same as the 367 and don't stop in there the 197, 312 don't ether and they only stop on Cherry Orchard Road. It's a"bus station" (so they call it), I don't see why ALL buses that serve East Croydon don't stop there. It looks the same to me, but just a different layout.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2017 22:22:15 GMT
I took some photos whilst there this morning, you really have to wonder how this took about six months. As has been alluded to there is no reason why it couldn't have been closed in stages allowing at least one of the three bays to remain operational. The Addiscombe Road routes could have still stopped there rather than the 119 and 466 having to non stop. I do wonder why the 367 stops there? Did it previously? I can't remember. It stops in Dingwall Road and Cherry Orchard Road so I can't see any obvious reason for it to stop there as well? The 367 has always stopped at East Croydon Bus Station.
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Post by JaysBusPhotos on Apr 8, 2017 22:24:46 GMT
As snoggle said the reason it was closed was probably something to do with safety concerns, I still think keeping one open for the 119 & 466 could have been done. As for what was done to the station the only improvement in my opinion is the bricks being replaced with Tarmac. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the 367 did, I sure I've see one in there before. Now that you mention the 367 it don't make sense, the 410 dose the same as the 367 and don't stop in there the 197, 312 don't ether and they only stop on Cherry Orchard Road. It's a"bus station" (so they call it), I don't see why ALL buses that serve East Croydon don't stop there. It looks the same to me, but just a different layout. I get that but Dingwall Road & Cherry Orchard Road bus stops are right next to it all stoping there does is slow the 367 down for no reason, it's a nightmare getting from Dingwall round to Cherry Orchard without stopping at The station. There must be a reason the 197, 312, & 410 don't stop there, I'm guessing it's something to do with there not being enough room for them to but it really wouldn't inconvenience anyone if the 367 didn't either. It being called a station is another thing that I don't personally think is right, it's more of a interchange in my view.
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Post by Max B on Apr 8, 2017 22:46:14 GMT
It's a"bus station" (so they call it), I don't see why ALL buses that serve East Croydon don't stop there. It looks the same to me, but just a different layout. I get that but Dingwall Road & Cherry Orchard Road bus stops are right next to it all stoping there does is slow the 367 down for no reason, it's a nightmare getting from Dingwall round to Cherry Orchard without stopping at The station. There must be a reason the 197, 312, & 410 don't stop there, I'm guessing it's something to do with there not being enough room for them to but it really wouldn't inconvenience anyone if the 367 didn't either. It being called a station is another thing that I don't personally think is right, it's more of a interchange in my view. The only reason I can think of is because the 197, 312 and 410 don't go in the same direction as the 64, 119, 194, 198, 433 and 466. But the 367 IS going to the same destination (Bromely North) as the 119, but in a DIFFERENT direction. My thoughts, anyway.
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Post by sid on Apr 8, 2017 23:02:45 GMT
I took some photos whilst there this morning, you really have to wonder how this took about six months. As has been alluded to there is no reason why it couldn't have been closed in stages allowing at least one of the three bays to remain operational. The Addiscombe Road routes could have still stopped there rather than the 119 and 466 having to non stop. I do wonder why the 367 stops there? Did it previously? I can't remember. It stops in Dingwall Road and Cherry Orchard Road so I can't see any obvious reason for it to stop there as well? The 367 has always stopped at East Croydon Bus Station. Fair enough it just seems a bit odd, and the 689.
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Post by sid on Apr 8, 2017 23:05:24 GMT
It's a"bus station" (so they call it), I don't see why ALL buses that serve East Croydon don't stop there. It looks the same to me, but just a different layout. I get that but Dingwall Road & Cherry Orchard Road bus stops are right next to it all stoping there does is slow the 367 down for no reason, it's a nightmare getting from Dingwall round to Cherry Orchard without stopping at The station. There must be a reason the 197, 312, & 410 don't stop there, I'm guessing it's something to do with there not being enough room for them to but it really wouldn't inconvenience anyone if the 367 didn't either. It being called a station is another thing that I don't personally think is right, it's more of a interchange in my view. I'd certainly agree it's an interchange and not a bus station and there certainly wouldn't be room for the 197,312 and 410. It's a bit cramped as it but all that can be achieved in the space available.
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Post by sid on Apr 8, 2017 23:09:12 GMT
I took some photos whilst there this morning, you really have to wonder how this took about six months. As has been alluded to there is no reason why it couldn't have been closed in stages allowing at least one of the three bays to remain operational. The Addiscombe Road routes could have still stopped there rather than the 119 and 466 having to non stop. I do wonder why the 367 stops there? Did it previously? I can't remember. It stops in Dingwall Road and Cherry Orchard Road so I can't see any obvious reason for it to stop there as well? As snoggle said the reason it was closed was probably something to do with safety concerns, I still think keeping one open for the 119 & 466 could have been done. As for what was done to the station the only improvement in my opinion is the bricks being replaced with Tarmac. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the 367 did, I sure I've see one in there before. Now that you mention the 367 it don't make sense, the 410 dose the same as the 367 and don't stop in there the 197, 312 don't ether and they only stop on Cherry Orchard Road. I can't see any H&S problem, buses were running right past the site so what's the difference. Tarmac and a rather modest flower bed, not a lot to show for six months work!
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Post by JaysBusPhotos on Apr 8, 2017 23:09:21 GMT
I get that but Dingwall Road & Cherry Orchard Road bus stops are right next to it all stoping there does is slow the 367 down for no reason, it's a nightmare getting from Dingwall round to Cherry Orchard without stopping at The station. There must be a reason the 197, 312, & 410 don't stop there, I'm guessing it's something to do with there not being enough room for them to but it really wouldn't inconvenience anyone if the 367 didn't either. It being called a station is another thing that I don't personally think is right, it's more of a interchange in my view. The only reason I can think of is because the 197, 312 and 410 don't go in the same direction as the 64, 119, 194, 198, 433 and 466. But the 367 IS going to the same destination (Bromely North) as the 119, but in a DIFFERENT direction. My thoughts, anyway. That make sense I going to say you're right on that, Still think it's a waste of time stopping at three bus stop that are so close to each other but TFL have there reasons.
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