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Post by sid on Nov 3, 2016 18:34:39 GMT
There are usually far more positives than negatives and it's not only in London, there is a general trend to replace one way systems in many parts of the country. The original idea of them was to improve traffic flows but there are other priorities nowadays. Wrong, there are other minority priorities these days due to their ever moaning protesting nature for using the road 2-3 hours in the morning and evening peak, then completely deserted at other times. There was a reason why they did these things to improve traffic flows, these people back then were geniuses. Now we have the numpties in charge that believe they could please everyone, and a society where the minority means everything. It was years ago when the roads were empty, maybe they were geniuses back then but times have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 11:51:59 GMT
Considering the amount of buses going via the Bus Station that would undoubtedly extend journey times for all :/ Frankly I'm surprised the fairly recent Hammersmith gyratory cycle lane consultation didn't include a move to two-way. Hanger Lane next anyone.... anyone? 🙄 I'll take a guess and say Hyde Park Corner (north part) or Victoria Oh lord please no!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 11:53:24 GMT
Just seems the norm now that gyratories are going two-way. They want it at Old Street, Highbury and worse still closing of an arm for pedestrianisation and 'public realm' (TfL buzzword) seems to be the 'in thing' now too. Frankly I'm surprised the fairly recent Hammersmith gyratory cycle lane consultation didn't include a move to two-way. Hanger Lane next anyone.... anyone? 🙄 It's idiotic to just remove gyratories for the sake of it which is what happening in all these so called improvement schemes. Turning one way roads into two way roads leads to more signal phases on traffic lights which increases journey times and this further increases when cycle lanes are implemented. Lambeth done it correctly (for once) by two waying one arm of the St. Matthews one way system in Brixton and leaving the rest as one way (the original plan was a carbon copy of what Stockwell's one way system has sadly become (one arm pedestrianised and the other two arms turned into two way roads). And in years to come someone else will ruck up and say "hmmmmm we should make this a one-way gyratory"!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 7, 2016 17:39:13 GMT
It's idiotic to just remove gyratories for the sake of it which is what happening in all these so called improvement schemes. Turning one way roads into two way roads leads to more signal phases on traffic lights which increases journey times and this further increases when cycle lanes are implemented. Lambeth done it correctly (for once) by two waying one arm of the St. Matthews one way system in Brixton and leaving the rest as one way (the original plan was a carbon copy of what Stockwell's one way system has sadly become (one arm pedestrianised and the other two arms turned into two way roads). And in years to come someone else will ruck up and say "hmmmmm we should make this a one-way gyratory"! Swings and roundabouts
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 21:47:31 GMT
And in years to come someone else will ruck up and say "hmmmmm we should make this a one-way gyratory"! Swings and roundabouts Swings and gyrat... fine, I won't do it! 😤
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Post by busoccultation on Jan 18, 2017 15:21:03 GMT
Here is the flythrough video showing what Stratford Gyratory is going to look like after the works have completed
Note: all the buses shown in the video are New Routemasters
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Post by snoggle on Jan 18, 2017 18:24:15 GMT
Here is the flythrough video showing what Stratford Gyratory is going to look like after the works have completed Note: all the buses shown in the video are New Routemasters
And all operated by Arriva apparently. Now we know where all the NB4Ls kicked out of Zone 1 are going - LB of Newham.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jan 18, 2017 18:34:31 GMT
Need more visual representations like this video fly through. Excellent work by the company who did this for Newham.
One slight mistake is that traffic levels will be much greater than was is portrayed in the video, and that bus services will certainly be worse off, especially in terms of journey times. And is that beaming sunshine in Stratford? Come on lets be realistic.
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Post by snowman on Jan 18, 2017 18:37:39 GMT
Here is the flythrough video showing what Stratford Gyratory is going to look like after the works have completed Note: all the buses shown in the video are New Routemasters
And all operated by Arriva apparently. Now we know where all the NB4Ls kicked out of Zone 1 are going - LB of Newham. Seeing all those proposed shared areas are funny. Kingston Council has just had to get rid of some from its proposed mini Holland routes in town centre (which is why they are months behind) as it was shown it causes problems for partially sighted pedestrians and increases collisions with bikes. Clearly the TfL partnership element doesn't communicate the design flaws from one borough to another. On another note, the minutes of the meeting also explain about effect of reducing 2 to 3 lanes as well as the shared area problems. moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=631&MId=8195
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 9:18:56 GMT
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 6, 2017 9:27:05 GMT
I wonder how unuseable the bus services in the area are going to be during this.
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Post by vjaska on May 6, 2017 10:26:10 GMT
I wonder how unuseable the bus services in the area are going to be during this.  That's what happens when a stupid idea like this is implemented without proper research and things like, "the gyratory is a barrier to people going around the town centre" is bandied around without proper thought.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 11:23:18 GMT
I wonder how unuseable the bus services in the area are going to be during this. It will be interesting! They could make use of Stratford City / International bus stations and terminate bus routes such as 158 /257 that side during the works. I know its not ideal but could ease pressure and cut back on delays for buses arriving at Stratford.
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Post by snoggle on May 6, 2017 16:16:51 GMT
I wonder how unuseable the bus services in the area are going to be during this. It will be interesting! They could make use of Stratford City / International bus stations and terminate bus routes such as 158 /257 that side during the works. I know its not ideal but could ease pressure and cut back on delays for buses arriving at Stratford. I can see how the 158 could be diverted but not the 257 without losing a sizeable section between Crownfield Road and Stratford. To reach Stratford City the 257 would have to go right round the gyratory which would seem to be pointless.
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Post by mondraker275 on May 6, 2017 17:29:57 GMT
I wonder how unuseable the bus services in the area are going to be during this. I just hope that it is not bad after the works. As said by vjaska , there is no guarantee removing the gyratory will make things better. I bang my head everytime I am in Tottenham headed towards central London and I am stuck in traffic that was not there before because of the removal of the bus lane. Fortunately, for my head, I dont do that journey too often.
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