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Post by planesandtrains on Nov 30, 2016 20:02:18 GMT
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Post by Volvo on Nov 30, 2016 20:31:53 GMT
Interesting news
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Post by snoggle on Nov 30, 2016 20:55:47 GMT
How can you know it's going to work for Arriva? Arriva have no hydrogen fuelling facilities and as Snowman posted the other day TfL are only now seeking expressions of interest about hydrogen fuelling facilities. If any hydrogen vehicles are going into service in the near future they'd have to Tower Transit routes or TT would have to grant access to the facilities at Lea Interchange.
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Post by RT3062 on Nov 30, 2016 21:06:07 GMT
How can you know it's going to work for Arriva? Arriva have no hydrogen fuelling facilities and as Snowman posted the other day TfL are only now seeking expressions of interest about hydrogen fuelling facilities. If any hydrogen vehicles are going into service in the near future they'd have to Tower Transit routes or TT would have to grant access to the facilities at Lea Interchange. would be sensible to have them at tower tranist i dont imagine hyrdogen refueling points are cheap or easy to put in
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 30, 2016 22:33:15 GMT
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Nov 30, 2016 23:27:53 GMT
Eugh, another FrogFace, why is that body even being popularised ๐๐ No glass pillars either of course, so much for "luxury"
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Post by snoggle on Nov 30, 2016 23:43:16 GMT
Eugh, another FrogFace, why is that body even being popularised ๐๐ No glass pillars either of course, so much for "luxury" London doesn't do "luxury" on its buses. It does bland, basic and workaday as the "market" isn't seen as important as we can see from collapsing patronage.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 1, 2016 0:53:38 GMT
Eugh, another FrogFace, why is that body even being popularised ๐๐ No glass pillars either of course, so much for "luxury" Given TfL spec has always been cheap and cheerful, I fail to understand why your expecting glass pillars? TfL do not run a commercial network - there is always demand for services so obviously, no need to start 'pimping' the spec up with stuff like wooden floors, tables, glass pillars, etc.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Dec 1, 2016 1:32:17 GMT
Eugh, another FrogFace, why is that body even being popularised ๐๐ No glass pillars either of course, so much for "luxury" Given TfL spec has always been cheap and cheerful, I fail to understand why your expecting glass pillars? TfL do not run a commercial network - there is always demand for services so obviously, no need to start 'pimping' the spec up with stuff like wooden floors, tables, glass pillars, etc. Nah, not asking for that much, it's just this blasted thing is so in your face, unbelievable they let Wrigthbus get away with it on a commercial product; front seats upstairs of a decker were always meant to be 'luxury' regardless of what town/city the bus belongs to :/ I just can't stand that pillar thing and don't understand why more of those buses are coming to ruin the day for many of us, who still appreciate upper deck views ๐ This view is just ridiculous man!
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Post by vjaska on Dec 1, 2016 2:30:04 GMT
Given TfL spec has always been cheap and cheerful, I fail to understand why your expecting glass pillars? TfL do not run a commercial network - there is always demand for services so obviously, no need to start 'pimping' the spec up with stuff like wooden floors, tables, glass pillars, etc. Nah, not asking for that much, it's just this blasted thing is so in your face, unbelievable they let Wrigthbus get away with it on a commercial product; front seats upstairs of a decker were always meant to be 'luxury' regardless of what town/city the bus belongs to :/ I just can't stand that pillar thing and don't understand why more of those buses are coming to ruin the day for many of us, who still appreciate upper deck views ๐ This view is just ridiculous man! No one has let Wrightbus get away with anything - it's an option whether to have glass pillars or standard ones and they went for the standard ones - there is no conspiracy here. Also, since when was the front seat upstairs on a decker meant to be 'luxury'? The front seat upstairs is literally a seat upstairs at the front of a bus with a window in front which is just about what every double decker has. I actually appreciate upper deck views but I think your really blowing it out of proportion - there is still a wide front window to look out of. Be thankful the front of TfL's buses have no contra vision on the windows.
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 1, 2016 6:03:22 GMT
It's all a lot of hot cold air if I am honest... unless TfL has signed a deal with Air Products / BOC etc to go and fit these very expensive hydrogen filling facilities in selected bus garages, there's no way in hell operators will willingly shell out just to keep London work. They will "do a Firstgroup" and leave the London scene. It's already tough, a particular spec, a certain blind spec you can't use anywhere else, working to deadlines as tight as Bruce Jenner's pencil skirt... as much as it's a nice idea on paper or when you're posing with the prototype, is it in the Job Spec as London Mayor you must have your own White Elephant project? BoJo gave us the LT's which have no opening windows and pollute more, cycle lanes no one uses, Ken Livingstone before him filled the streets with bendy buses where fares were down to conscience... So is this to get rid of the LTs or will everyone have to go electric or hybrid in London, such as couriers and everyone else? What do I do when my battery dies due to congestion? Can a conventional diesel AA truck come rescue me or will I get fined for that too? Sad to say people are abandoning the bus due to clogged streets and stupid 20 zones. Sort that out first rather than gimmicks. Try driving through Moorgate / Elephant and Castle / Euston Road / Southall Broadway and tell me that's okay Give us free WiFi and let operators have more incentives like Sapphire or Stagecoach Gold to bring passengers back. It seems even the interiors are under threat now and you have the increasingly common TfL spec (I think the new 217s will have this). I miss the days of variety in liveries (Stagecoach and Metroline were my favourites ), I think TfL need to do a basic City & Guilds course in Marketing at the local college as they haven't figured it out compared to everywhere else *rant over*
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Post by snowman on Dec 1, 2016 6:56:31 GMT
It's all a lot of hot cold air if I am honest... unless TfL has signed a deal with Air Products / BOC etc to go and fit these very expensive hydrogen filling facilities in selected bus garages, there's no way in hell operators will willingly shell out just to keep London work. *rant over* The installation of hydrogen facilities tender that was linked on this forum week or two ago makes more sence now. Clearly they have issued a tender, not signed a deal yet Clearly in whole of EU wasn't much enthusiasm to spend money on hydrogen, but TFL just happened to have a spare ยฃ5m to throw at the project so London gets some hydrogen buses, even though electric buses would be cheaper way to zero emissions at tailpipe (but lots of emissions elsewhere producing the fuel)
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Post by wivenswold on Dec 1, 2016 8:08:05 GMT
Eugh, another FrogFace, why is that body even being popularised ๐๐ No glass pillars either of course, so much for "luxury" The design has grown on me. As for the pillars, I understand you have a preference but try and look at it from a safety angle. It looks less likely to shatter if it hits a wayward tree branch.
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Post by planesandtrains on Dec 1, 2016 8:20:46 GMT
Given TfL spec has always been cheap and cheerful, I fail to understand why your expecting glass pillars? TfL do not run a commercial network - there is always demand for services so obviously, no need to start 'pimping' the spec up with stuff like wooden floors, tables, glass pillars, etc. Nah, not asking for that much, it's just this blasted thing is so in your face, unbelievable they let Wrigthbus get away with it on a commercial product; front seats upstairs of a decker were always meant to be 'luxury' regardless of what town/city the bus belongs to :/ I just can't stand that pillar thing and don't understand why more of those buses are coming to ruin the day for many of us, who still appreciate upper deck views ๐ This view is just ridiculous man! Just wait, in Berlin they cove (or covered since the BVG aren't allowed to do it anymore) whole MAN Lion's City DD's (Damm good buses, the voith's they use are amazing) in this advertising wrap. Some even cover the front window.
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Post by sid on Dec 1, 2016 11:07:15 GMT
Given TfL spec has always been cheap and cheerful, I fail to understand why your expecting glass pillars? TfL do not run a commercial network - there is always demand for services so obviously, no need to start 'pimping' the spec up with stuff like wooden floors, tables, glass pillars, etc. Nah, not asking for that much, it's just this blasted thing is so in your face, unbelievable they let Wrigthbus get away with it on a commercial product; front seats upstairs of a decker were always meant to be 'luxury' regardless of what town/city the bus belongs to :/ I just can't stand that pillar thing and don't understand why more of those buses are coming to ruin the day for many of us, who still appreciate upper deck views ๐ This view is just ridiculous man! I totally agree with you, nobody would produce cars with such obvious short comings but bus passengers are clearly not as important!!
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