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Post by ibus246 on Dec 7, 2016 22:24:43 GMT
Yes, but I'm sure Zubin will agree (I think this is his local route) that this problem is not evident on this route in particular But you have just said that Northwood Avenue is lined with parked cars ... so no place to stop along there if you want to get off? So you have used and example and said that this is not the case? Confused! Well yes it is but the bus still manages to pull in somehow. On my PC I've got a few years worth of "feedback" TfL received regarding route 434 - I will check and send the link but I do not recall reading a single one regarding any one having any issues alighting.
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Post by ibus246 on Dec 8, 2016 11:25:40 GMT
Noticed just today that on a few of the "pretend stops" which exist on the TfL database/iBus whereby there is no pole and only the timetable frame/case that the instruction poster which was displayed informing passengers how to use Hail and Ride has been removed and nothing replaced there. Saw it removed from multiple stops!
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 8, 2016 11:40:30 GMT
Noticed just today that on a few of the "pretend stops" which exist on the TfL database/iBus whereby there is no pole and only the timetable frame/case that the instruction poster which was displayed informing passengers how to use Hail and Ride has been removed and nothing replaced there. Saw it removed from multiple stops! Its been removed from my stop as well. But I do remember seeing the "how to use hail and ride" poster still being on Higher Drive.
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Post by sid on Dec 8, 2016 16:54:15 GMT
Just sticking this here as this consultation is not yet officially live on the TfL website, but according to the source below, it will be soon. The KENDRA magazine (the local magazine for Kenley residents) has reported that Croydon Council and TfL are planning a consultation for their plan to remove the hail and ride section and replace it with fixed bus stops. The Kenley Residents Association are opposing the move as it will reduce the amount of parking spaces on the route. Here's a picture i took of the report: Obviously we will wait and see the consultation. However, we get onto TfL for going ahead with things, but yet its Ok for councillors to reject things before its come out? I am all for 'fixed stops', especially in H&R areas were the buses do not operate like its a H&R. It looks like this one is solely for accessibility purposes, as they have ibus in places already. Clearly, putting in fixed stops is a costly operation for Tfl and their intentions are solely to provide a better service for not only current bus users but maybe future ones to. They aint going to be driving those cars all their lives. And if struggling to find a car parking space is the highest level of hardship I will face in my life, sign me up.
That really is a pretty pointless argument I'm afraid !
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Post by sid on Dec 8, 2016 16:55:57 GMT
No those who object certainly can't be just dismissed as snobs, their complaints are perfectly reasonable and I'd probably feel the same in their position. It's one of these situations where there is no simple solution. I think the solution on this one is "if it ain't broke.........." However, we will await TfL's justifying - no doubt it will be so wheelchair/elderly can reach the bus easily with more room for the bus to pull in and kneel. Yes I agree, certainly on the few occasions that I've used the route the current arrangements seem to work perfectly well.
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Post by ibus246 on Dec 8, 2016 20:00:09 GMT
Noticed just today that on a few of the "pretend stops" which exist on the TfL database/iBus whereby there is no pole and only the timetable frame/case that the instruction poster which was displayed informing passengers how to use Hail and Ride has been removed and nothing replaced there. Saw it removed from multiple stops! Its been removed from my stop as well. But I do remember seeing the "how to use hail and ride" poster still being on Higher Drive. No it is no longer there near the phone box
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Post by mondraker275 on Dec 9, 2016 9:25:49 GMT
Obviously we will wait and see the consultation. However, we get onto TfL for going ahead with things, but yet its Ok for councillors to reject things before its come out? I am all for 'fixed stops', especially in H&R areas were the buses do not operate like its a H&R. It looks like this one is solely for accessibility purposes, as they have ibus in places already. Clearly, putting in fixed stops is a costly operation for Tfl and their intentions are solely to provide a better service for not only current bus users but maybe future ones to. They aint going to be driving those cars all their lives. And if struggling to find a car parking space is the highest level of hardship I will face in my life, sign me up.
That really is a pretty pointless argument I'm afraid ! Let me clarify my point. TfL is doing this solely to increase accessibility and make the bus service better, No Cost saving at all. Making it accessible will make it better for all users, especially elderly. It will be benefit current users and future users, which may include those currently using cars that may not be using them in the future for whatever reason. The second sentence you highlighted was in reference to an earlier post in the thread, where someone suggested it is genuine HARDSHIP for people to find parking space. I mean come on... its like saying the 'can opener' is the greatest breakthrough in human development.
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Post by sid on Dec 9, 2016 9:51:06 GMT
That really is a pretty pointless argument I'm afraid ! Let me clarify my point. TfL is doing this solely to increase accessibility and make the bus service better, No Cost saving at all. Making it accessible will make it better for all users, especially elderly. It will be benefit current users and future users, which may include those currently using cars that may not be using them in the future for whatever reason. The second sentence you highlighted was in reference to an earlier post in the thread, where someone suggested it is genuine HARDSHIP for people to find parking space. I mean come on... its like saying the 'can opener' is the greatest breakthrough in human development. Whether it is a good or bad idea is subjective, there is no right or wrong answer.
The point I was making is that you cannot just dismiss objections on the grounds that there are far more serious problems in life.
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Post by ibus246 on Feb 13, 2017 18:16:56 GMT
Thank you for your email of 27 January. I apologise that you did not receive a reply to your email of 3 January sooner. I appreciate you letting us know that the Hail and Ride information is missing from the timetable cases on route 434. We have not deliberately removed these and I can assure you that we will investigate the matter and replace them this week. In the meantime, I am sorry for any inconvenience caused. We are currently finalising our proposals to replace Hail and Ride with fixed stops on route 434. While Hail and Ride can be very convenient for some customers, not all the locations that buses stop at are fully accessible. In order to be fully accessible, buses need access to kerbs and hard surfaces of an appropriate height and size. Fixed bus stops would enable passengers to take full advantage of all the features on board such as low floors, the ‘kneeling’ facility and the wheelchair ramps, making it easier for everybody to get on and off. To help inform our next steps and decision making we intend to launch our consultation at the end of February. The consultation will go up on our consultation hub (https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/), letters will be sent to local residents and an email will be sent to all registered Oyster card holders who use route 434. After analysing all the responses we receive, we will decide whether to go ahead with the scheme as planned, withdraw the scheme completely, or implement a revised scheme based on the feedback gathered.
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Post by ibus246 on Mar 6, 2017 15:48:44 GMT
Thank you for your further email. When we run a consultation, we try to raise awareness of the proposals using different techniques. We send out an email to all passengers with registered Oyster cards who use the routes concerned, and for schemes involving fixed bus stops we send letters to properties within a 400 metre radius of the affected sections of route. We don’t normally put consultation notices up in buses, as the buses are often used on different routes. Instead we ensure that posters are displayed at relevant bus stops or timetable frames and, where neither are available, lampposts (subject to agreement with the local authority). As we are currently reviewing our scheme priorities, the start date for this consultation is now under review. Your patience in this matter is greatly appreciated.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 29, 2017 23:09:36 GMT
Thank you for your further email. When we run a consultation, we try to raise awareness of the proposals using different techniques. We send out an email to all passengers with registered Oyster cards who use the routes concerned, and for schemes involving fixed bus stops we send letters to properties within a 400 metre radius of the affected sections of route. We don’t normally put consultation notices up in buses, as the buses are often used on different routes. Instead we ensure that posters are displayed at relevant bus stops or timetable frames and, where neither are available, lampposts (subject to agreement with the local authority). As we are currently reviewing our scheme priorities, the start date for this consultation is now under review. Your patience in this matter is greatly appreciated. Nearly 5 months on from your email response and I've still seen nothing about the consultation. I wonder if TfL have changed their plans regarding the abolition of Hail and Ride. I did hear at C they were still planning on getting rid of it though.
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Post by ibus246 on Jul 29, 2017 23:38:30 GMT
Thank you for your further email. When we run a consultation, we try to raise awareness of the proposals using different techniques. We send out an email to all passengers with registered Oyster cards who use the routes concerned, and for schemes involving fixed bus stops we send letters to properties within a 400 metre radius of the affected sections of route. We don’t normally put consultation notices up in buses, as the buses are often used on different routes. Instead we ensure that posters are displayed at relevant bus stops or timetable frames and, where neither are available, lampposts (subject to agreement with the local authority). As we are currently reviewing our scheme priorities, the start date for this consultation is now under review. Your patience in this matter is greatly appreciated. Nearly 5 months on from your email response and I've still seen nothing about the consultation. I wonder if TfL have changed their plans regarding the abolition of Hail and Ride. I did hear at C they were still planning on getting rid of it though. I would think by the end of the year it will be gone but the ramifications must be huge as well as the outcry - as you will be aware most of the route is H&R and some car owners do it have driveways or garages especially on Northwood Avenue - look how chokka block that is before putting in bus stop bays!
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 29, 2017 23:43:58 GMT
Nearly 5 months on from your email response and I've still seen nothing about the consultation. I wonder if TfL have changed their plans regarding the abolition of Hail and Ride. I did hear at C they were still planning on getting rid of it though. I would think by the end of the year it will be gone but the ramifications must be huge as well as the outcry - as you will be aware most of the route is H&R and some car owners do it have driveways or garages especially on Northwood Avenue - look how chokka block that is before putting in bus stop bays! Yeah the parked cars are a nightmare on Northwood Avenue. Its also one of the many reasons why no buses longer than 8.9m can be used on the route. (I'm quite surprised a 9.3m single deck can't fit, even though its only a little bit longer than an 8.9m, just with the centre doors). The end of Northwood Avenue is less congested though. The houses on the left hand side of the road (in the direction of Ridgemount Avenue) have a garage but not a driveway, whereas the other side, houses do have a driveway. They could try to find the least congested parts of Northwood Avenue and install a bus stop there. The end of Northwood Avenue springs to mind.
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