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Post by T.R. on Dec 13, 2016 17:23:02 GMT
Much to my (and colleagues') confusion, at Raynes Park this morning a number of passengers kept asking us if our trains were still running. Some were actually unaware that SWT & SN are separate operators!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 18:26:31 GMT
The mayor has offered to put a senior TfL official in charge of Southern Rail.
What a ridiculous publicity stunt !
Go-Ahead shares might start tumbling if this goes on and on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 18:27:54 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Dec 13, 2016 19:01:32 GMT
The mayor has offered to put a senior TfL official in charge of Southern Rail. What a ridiculous publicity stunt ! Go-Ahead shares might start tumbling if this goes on and on. No more ridiculous that the antics of Grayling and his sidekick. It's now obviously descended into mutual loathing and dislike which is all a bit pathetic for people who are elected representatives. However I don't see the Mayor backing off now because from his viewpoint he can keep pointing out how bad things are with no consequence because Grayling is against devolution. Therefore ridicule, criticism and "compare and contrast" will continue to be the Mayor's theme. Grayling can keep being rude about the Mayor but TfL's funding is set for several years now and nothing, other than death, is going to shift Mr Khan out of the Mayoralty so Mr G's got little to gain and is more likely to have his reputation summarily rubbished if he keeps spouting nonsense. I don't think Secretaries of State should act in the way Mr Grayling is behaving but that's just me. I don't see Go Ahead's share price being affected at all. The impact on earnings has already been declared and discounted into the share price. Investors aren't stupid - they know the govt are bankrolling this dispute and GTR aren't overly impacted. If it was a traditional franchise with the operator taking the revenue risk then yes Go Ahead would be in trouble but then it would never have got this far - there would have been a settlement long ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 19:27:38 GMT
The mayor has offered to put a senior TfL official in charge of Southern Rail. What a ridiculous publicity stunt ! Go-Ahead shares might start tumbling if this goes on and on. No more ridiculous that the antics of Grayling and his sidekick. It's now obviously descended into mutual loathing and dislike which is all a bit pathetic for people who are elected representatives. However I don't see the Mayor backing off now because from his viewpoint he can keep pointing out how bad things are with no consequence because Grayling is against devolution. Therefore ridicule, criticism and "compare and contrast" will continue to be the Mayor's theme. Grayling can keep being rude about the Mayor but TfL's funding is set for several years now and nothing, other than death, is going to shift Mr Khan out of the Mayoralty so Mr G's got little to gain and is more likely to have his reputation summarily rubbished if he keeps spouting nonsense. I don't think Secretaries of State should act in the way Mr Grayling is behaving but that's just me. I don't see Go Ahead's share price being affected at all. The impact on earnings has already been declared and discounted into the share price. Investors aren't stupid - they know the govt are bankrolling this dispute and GTR aren't overly impacted. If it was a traditional franchise with the operator taking the revenue risk then yes Go Ahead would be in trouble but then it would never have got this far - there would have been a settlement long ago. Well isn't it the point , because GTR aren't impacted, where is their financial incentive to get this sorted ? I can't see any. They are being paid regardless, whether the trains run or not. How outrageous is that when ordinary commuters are losing money from loss of earnings. |
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 13, 2016 20:27:00 GMT
Would you agree or disagree that the unions are holding the public to ransom? What are you personal thoughts? I thought the days of unions effectively in control were over after Thatcher. It would be interesting to hear some of your views Ask Corbyn's paymasters the following questions: How many members are DIRECTLY involved? How many actually voted? How many voted for strike action? What % of the membership actually voted for industrial action? Should be very interesting to see the answers |
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Post by ibus246 on Dec 13, 2016 21:33:42 GMT
Would you agree or disagree that the unions are holding the public to ransom? What are you personal thoughts? I thought the days of unions effectively in control were over after Thatcher. It would be interesting to hear some of your views Ask Corbyn's paymasters the following questions: How many members are DIRECTLY involved? How many actually voted? How many voted for strike action? What % of the membership actually voted for industrial action? Should be very interesting to see the answers What will be interesting will be when the government documents about this whole farce are released publicly in 25-30 years! |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 13, 2016 21:51:03 GMT
No more ridiculous that the antics of Grayling and his sidekick. It's now obviously descended into mutual loathing and dislike which is all a bit pathetic for people who are elected representatives. However I don't see the Mayor backing off now because from his viewpoint he can keep pointing out how bad things are with no consequence because Grayling is against devolution. Therefore ridicule, criticism and "compare and contrast" will continue to be the Mayor's theme. Grayling can keep being rude about the Mayor but TfL's funding is set for several years now and nothing, other than death, is going to shift Mr Khan out of the Mayoralty so Mr G's got little to gain and is more likely to have his reputation summarily rubbished if he keeps spouting nonsense. I don't think Secretaries of State should act in the way Mr Grayling is behaving but that's just me. I don't see Go Ahead's share price being affected at all. The impact on earnings has already been declared and discounted into the share price. Investors aren't stupid - they know the govt are bankrolling this dispute and GTR aren't overly impacted. If it was a traditional franchise with the operator taking the revenue risk then yes Go Ahead would be in trouble but then it would never have got this far - there would have been a settlement long ago. Well isn't it the point , because GTR aren't impacted, where is their financial incentive to get this sorted ? I can't see any. They are being paid regardless, whether the trains run or not. How outrageous is that when ordinary commuters are losing money from loss of earnings. Address your concerns to the Secretary of State (sorry if that'a bit blunt). He is responsible for the mess because the government have decided to try to break the power of the rail unions. Unfortunately for the govt they can't stockpile tons of train mileage in fields unlike coal in the 1980s when Maggie decided to crush the miners. Nor can they send in the Police as stormtroppers to beat up railway workers. Of course we have seen the next stage in the Govt's strategy hinted at today - to ban strikes on the railways. Another attack on workers' rights. Yes you are right that people are being inconvenienced but that's the point of a strike - someone, somewhere feels the impact. That creates pressure on pay / profits / costs / whatever which should, in normal circumstances, push the parties towards a settlement. These are not normal circumstances because there are wider strategic issues being attacked. If you think it's bad now wait for when this bunch of incompetents try to turn the UK into some off shore low cost economy to cock a snook at the EU. I'm sure everyone will love working 90 hours a week with reduced rights to holidays, sick pay, maternity / paternity leave etc. |
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Post by RT3062 on Dec 13, 2016 22:46:18 GMT
[ [/quote]Address your concerns to the Secretary of State (sorry if that'a bit blunt). He is responsible for the mess because the government have decided to try to break the power of the rail unions. Unfortunately for the govt they can't stockpile tons of train mileage in fields unlike coal in the 1980s when Maggie decided to crush the miners. Nor can they send in the Police as stormtroppers to beat up railway workers. Of course we have seen the next stage in the Govt's strategy hinted at today - to ban strikes on the railways. Another attack on workers' rights. Yes you are right that people are being inconvenienced but that's the point of a strike - someone, somewhere feels the impact. That creates pressure on pay / profits / costs / whatever which should, in normal circumstances, push the parties towards a settlement. These are not normal circumstances because there are wider strategic issues being attacked.
If you think it's bad now wait for when this bunch of incompetents try to turn the UK into some off shore low cost economy to cock a snook at the EU. I'm sure everyone will love working 90 hours a week with reduced rights to holidays, sick pay, maternity / paternity leave etc.[/quote]
well put especially the comparison with the miners strike. Could the current strike leave a similar level of resentment if a no strike policy is brought in on the railways ??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 23:14:09 GMT
Police are one of a few jobs which striking is outlawed.
Speaking from experience, it is quite annoying to see your pay cut by £5k over three years , have more work, get physically attacked more often, and be expected to work for free, with no right of strike or other sort of "direct action".
I strongly support the rights of workers
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Post by sid on Dec 15, 2016 12:30:12 GMT
Much to my (and colleagues') confusion, at Raynes Park this morning a number of passengers kept asking us if our trains were still running. Some were actually unaware that SWT & SN are separate operators! Exactly the same confusion between Southern and Southeastern  . |
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Post by sid on Dec 15, 2016 12:38:30 GMT
Well isn't it the point , because GTR aren't impacted, where is their financial incentive to get this sorted ? I can't see any. They are being paid regardless, whether the trains run or not. How outrageous is that when ordinary commuters are losing money from loss of earnings. Address your concerns to the Secretary of State (sorry if that'a bit blunt). He is responsible for the mess because the government have decided to try to break the power of the rail unions. Unfortunately for the govt they can't stockpile tons of train mileage in fields unlike coal in the 1980s when Maggie decided to crush the miners. Nor can they send in the Police as stormtroppers to beat up railway workers. Of course we have seen the next stage in the Govt's strategy hinted at today - to ban strikes on the railways. Another attack on workers' rights. Yes you are right that people are being inconvenienced but that's the point of a strike - someone, somewhere feels the impact. That creates pressure on pay / profits / costs / whatever which should, in normal circumstances, push the parties towards a settlement. These are not normal circumstances because there are wider strategic issues being attacked. If you think it's bad now wait for when this bunch of incompetents try to turn the UK into some off shore low cost economy to cock a snook at the EU. I'm sure everyone will love working 90 hours a week with reduced rights to holidays, sick pay, maternity / paternity leave etc.Far more likely scenario if we had stayed in the EU with the endless supply of cheap labour. Anyway this thread is supposed to be about the strike on Southern! |
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Post by sid on Dec 15, 2016 13:00:56 GMT
Good luck to bus drivers in South London today. As usual, coming to the rescue when something running on metal goes wrong. BUT they have been doing the for the past however many months it has been the 40s and 176s that I have seen have been heaving but the difference of a strike day is that large crowds are left behind at bus stops. At a time when central London bus routes are moving extremely slow during peak hours, rail passengers still have more confidence in that slow moving than a southern train! I'm not sure it makes much difference to bus drivers, when the bus is full it's full!
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Post by sid on Dec 15, 2016 13:03:56 GMT
Would you agree or disagree that the unions are holding the public to ransom? What are you personal thoughts? I thought the days of unions effectively in control were over after Thatcher. It would be interesting to hear some of your views Yes it does seem a classic case of the unions holding the public to ransom. I'm happy to be corrected if I've missed something here but isn't the strike about DOO on Southern when Thameslink are already running DOO trains to the same stations on the Brighton line? |
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Post by daveb0789 on Dec 16, 2016 9:49:31 GMT
DOO is inherently unsafe. When introduced on Thameslink in the 80s the trains were 4 cars long and didn't carry anywhere near the numbers carried now on 12 car trains. If anything happened on a 12 car train it would take a long time for the driver to respond to an emergency. That's why we want the guarantee of a fully trained second person or guard on every train.
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