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Post by 725DYE on Dec 18, 2016 23:21:52 GMT
In my best attempts today, I still didn't catch a D78 on the District Line but I did see one headed eastbound at Tower Hill.
Personally this has always been my favourite "cut and cover" tube stock with its unique single leaf doors, simple front end that made them more appealing IMO and the beautiful deep sounding traction motors. Also not to mention their reliability which was generally much better than that of the similarly aged A60/62 and C69/77 stocks.
But with the stock numbers now down to less than 15 with the final S stocks being rolled in, these old beasts are almost out of use in London, but with some still being revived for Viva-Rail in the near future.
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 19, 2016 0:18:22 GMT
But with the stock numbers now down to less than 15 with the final S stocks being rolled in, these old beasts are almost out of use in London, but with some still being revived for Viva-Rail in the near future. 10 trains (20 units) left - these 10 will see 2016 out, but all are likely to have gone sometime during Spring next year.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 19, 2016 1:02:12 GMT
In my best attempts today, I still didn't catch a D78 on the District Line but I did see one headed eastbound at Tower Hill. Personally this has always been my favourite "cut and cover" tube stock with its unique single leaf doors, simple front end that made them more appealing IMO and the beautiful deep sounding traction motors. Also not to mention their reliability which was generally much better than that of the similarly aged A60/62 and C69/77 stocks. But with the stock numbers now down to less than 15 with the final S stocks being rolled in, these old beasts are almost out of use in London, but with some still being revived for Viva-Rail in the near future. Have to admit, bar the windows, I've never been a huge fan of the D stock. Granted they are more reliable than the C stock which I liked, they are very cold inside, a bit boring sounding & I've never liked the single leaf door configuration. Can't wait for the last ones to go and replaced by more lovely S stock - usually, I hate most modern things but I find the S stock to be brilliant
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Post by COBO on Dec 19, 2016 1:12:56 GMT
Whenever I see a D stock operating on the District Line I get shocked because I can't believe that they are still around. I thought that they would have all gone by Christmas 2016.
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Post by paulsw2 on Dec 19, 2016 5:06:07 GMT
But with the stock numbers now down to less than 15 with the final S stocks being rolled in, these old beasts are almost out of use in London, but with some still being revived for Viva-Rail in the near future. 10 trains (20 units) left - these 10 will see 2016 out, but all are likely to have gone sometime during Spring next year. The 10 units that remain are here for a little while longer they will be acting as "cover" whilst S7's go back to Derby for ATO modifications
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Post by 725DYE on Dec 19, 2016 11:03:25 GMT
In my best attempts today, I still didn't catch a D78 on the District Line but I did see one headed eastbound at Tower Hill. Personally this has always been my favourite "cut and cover" tube stock with its unique single leaf doors, simple front end that made them more appealing IMO and the beautiful deep sounding traction motors. Also not to mention their reliability which was generally much better than that of the similarly aged A60/62 and C69/77 stocks. But with the stock numbers now down to less than 15 with the final S stocks being rolled in, these old beasts are almost out of use in London, but with some still being revived for Viva-Rail in the near future. Have to admit, bar the windows, I've never been a huge fan of the D stock. Granted they are more reliable than the C stock which I liked, they are very cold inside, a bit boring sounding & I've never liked the single leaf door configuration. Can't wait for the last ones to go and replaced by more lovely S stock - usually, I hate most modern things but I find the S stock to be brilliant Totally agree with you on the S stock - still can't get enough of the high pitched traction motors! The reason for the single leaf doors was that in the late 1970s, passenger numbers on the underground were diminishing, so TFL thought it best to use cheaper single-leaf doors. Although this wasn't too bad for the D stock, the similar 1983TS on the Jubilee line was plagued from the single leaf doors and poor reliablility, hence why they were all withdrawn within 15 years of service.
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 19, 2016 13:42:14 GMT
I will certainly be sad to see the D Stock go. I've always been fond of them due to their design and the fact that they're unique amongst all the other stock currently in service.
I think it's the fact that they retained their nostalgia while still being relevant in the modern era of the current stock. Their single leaf doors adds to their appeal, although it doesn't help with dwelling time there is still a charm about them. I've mentioned this before, but at the time of its introduction the Ds had a relatively smoother ride compared to other stock at the time due to the way their suspension is designed, and it's certainly evident today as it rivals the S Stock regarding ride quality. Additionally, their longer carriage length lends itself well to their 'boxy' shape and large cab space which enables for a well-proportioned design.
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Post by Alex on Dec 20, 2016 0:59:46 GMT
I've never been a huge fan of the D stock. Granted they are more reliable than the C stock which I liked Ditto. I'm not bothered about the D stock being replaced, but maybe the refurb has done that to me. I think if they still were in their original condition they would seem quite a bit more interesting. However I've never worked with them so paulsw2 will be better qualified than me to comment Like (x1000) regarding your comment on the C69/77, they were great fun to work with and I really miss them. Thing is, from an enthusiast view many people didn't like them.....which I can see as the car interiors were a bit cattle-truck like. However with their room for standing and many sets of doors they were a little rocket around the Circle! They did the job so well and for such a long time. They were also much more capable than many people think. The common perception of the C stock was a slow, lumbering train which just plodded around. Not true - they were capable of much more and I rated driving them over the S stock. A decent C stock had better acceleration/brakes/responsiveness than an S stock. A not-so-decent C stock was a different story but this was seen as a challenge which just made the day more interesting As an aside - my favorite tube trains ever were the 1959 stock on the Northern. Wonderful things - just wished I'd been around in time to work on them (but then again I'd be quite a bit older now if I had )
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Post by vjaska on Dec 20, 2016 1:42:17 GMT
I've never been a huge fan of the D stock. Granted they are more reliable than the C stock which I liked Ditto. I'm not bothered about the D stock being replaced, but maybe the refurb has done that to me. I think if they still were in their original condition they would seem quite a bit more interesting. However I've never worked with them so paulsw2 will be better qualified than me to comment Like (x1000) regarding your comment on the C69/77, they were great fun to work with and I really miss them. Thing is, from an enthusiast view many people didn't like them.....which I can see as the car interiors were a bit cattle-truck like. However with their room for standing and many sets of doors they were a little rocket around the Circle! They did the job so well and for such a long time. They were also much more capable than many people think. The common perception of the C stock was a slow, lumbering train which just plodded around. Not true - they were capable of much more and I rated driving them over the S stock. A decent C stock had better acceleration/brakes/responsiveness than an S stock. A not-so-decent C stock was a different story but this was seen as a challenge which just made the day more interesting As an aside - my favorite tube trains ever were the 1959 stock on the Northern. Wonderful things - just wished I'd been around in time to work on them (but then again I'd be quite a bit older now if I had ) Indeed, the C stock was very capable of hitting speed along the Circle Line whereas in comparison, it's the D stock that I find always just plods along slowly like a Brontosaurus plus the D stock just seems quite dingy inside even compared to the elderly 1972 stock on the Bakerloo. My own personal favourites were the 1967 stock on the Victoria Line - loved the styling and mixture of longitudinal and transverse seating and they were nippy buggers even at the end of their lives but as for current ones, it's everyone's hated stock that is the 1992 stock. Saunas on wheels and quite unreliable according to accounts but I just love the unique sound of them when they accelerate and slow down and they are very fast - that's the stock I'll miss the most out of the ones being removed in the next few years and into the 2020's though I can't wait to see the back of the 1973 stock on the Piccadilly
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Post by snowman on Dec 20, 2016 8:19:12 GMT
I remember when they first arrived, completely different to the old flare sided stock.
Ventilation was rubbish at first, more opening windows fixed that (a theme that continues on LT buses)
The door controls were useful for keeping warm in winter on outer ends of network, but seem to cause confusion where it shared tracks with the C stock, there was a phase where doors were released at some stations, but opened in the tunnels. Eventually driver took total control and passenger controls went.
They were last of old school interior, slatted maple floors, 1970s orange / brown mocquete, And I'm sure the car interiors had similar colour end walls, until someone decided cream paint would look better, many years before the refurb a decade ago.
Used them a lot in 1980s and 1990s, but can count on one hand the number of journeys on the refurbished versions so will always remember them the old way.
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Post by M1104 on Dec 20, 2016 11:06:57 GMT
I can still remember when I first saw the D stock. We were on the Piccadilly line waiting for a green signal at Acton Town when on the next platform was a 'weird looking' tube train. Not knowing much about buses and trains at the time (still Primary School age) I actually thought they were British Rail trains....until I saw them roughly a year later at Wimbledon on the District line platform. At first I thought they were replaceing all the C stock on the line, which to me seemed odd as they were still relatively new. It wasn't until a good while later that I realised about the Wimbledon branch being unique in using both types of trains.... similar to the Northern Line which I barely remember in earlier days using the older 38 stock and 'brand new' 72 stock trains.
When I first rode on the D stock one of the earliest things I noticed was that the motors sounded like the ones on the Piccadilly line, only slower in acceleration. As a kid I also loved pressing the buttons to open the doors, which I did at every station we stopped passed until Mom eventually told me to stop... it being winter time and wanting to stay warmer in the train. lol
Basically I like both the C and D stock for different reasons, the Cs because of the loud motors, which reminded me of a sound effect from a 70's cartoon when a character is stretching something. The Ds I loved for the opposite reason in that they were quieter and for the 'request operated' doors... which actually became a nuisance after a while when you are carrying heavy shopping/luggage and you have to put them down to press the button. The downside of the D stock doors, as already mentioned by another member was the more limited access in and out the carriages.
I will certainly miss the breed even though I haven't seen any for the best part of two years. I will similarly miss the 72 and 73 stock once it's their turn as they will be the last of the old skool Underground trains. All in all I can't say that there is any particular stock that I didn't like, except initially the 38 stock when I was around 4 years old as the interior was darker, but by the time I overcame that the trains had all disappeared from the Northern Line.... not realising until 1982 that they were still being used on the Bakerloo line.
One thing I always and still do love about the underground is the various models of trains, both old school and present generation.... even if I am not as much a train buff as I am with the buses.
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Post by planesandtrains on Dec 20, 2016 18:05:56 GMT
Will be sad to see them go, grew up around them. I guess one day we will all be mourning the loss of the S stock.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 20, 2016 19:34:25 GMT
In my best attempts today, I still didn't catch a D78 on the District Line but I did see one headed eastbound at Tower Hill. Personally this has always been my favourite "cut and cover" tube stock with its unique single leaf doors, simple front end that made them more appealing IMO and the beautiful deep sounding traction motors. Also not to mention their reliability which was generally much better than that of the similarly aged A60/62 and C69/77 stocks. But with the stock numbers now down to less than 15 with the final S stocks being rolled in, these old beasts are almost out of use in London, but with some still being revived for Viva-Rail in the near future. I rode on one about 2 weeks ago. I remember them back in the day with the Leyland Titan/Metrobus interiors, they seemed modern like the 86 tube stock with single doors and press buttons. I wouldn't say the C stock was of similar age, they seemed prehistoric compared to D stock. I also liked the D stocks modern square lights back then.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 20, 2016 19:40:25 GMT
Have to admit, bar the windows, I've never been a huge fan of the D stock. Granted they are more reliable than the C stock which I liked, they are very cold inside, a bit boring sounding & I've never liked the single leaf door configuration. Can't wait for the last ones to go and replaced by more lovely S stock - usually, I hate most modern things but I find the S stock to be brilliant Totally agree with you on the S stock - still can't get enough of the high pitched traction motors! The reason for the single leaf doors was that in the late 1970s, passenger numbers on the underground were diminishing, so TFL thought it best to use cheaper single-leaf doors. Although this wasn't too bad for the D stock, the similar 1983TS on the Jubilee line was plagued from the single leaf doors and poor reliablility, hence why they were all withdrawn within 15 years of service. ahem, ahem, LT - London Transport buddy
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 20, 2016 19:52:28 GMT
Ditto. I'm not bothered about the D stock being replaced, but maybe the refurb has done that to me. I think if they still were in their original condition they would seem quite a bit more interesting. However I've never worked with them so paulsw2 will be better qualified than me to comment Like (x1000) regarding your comment on the C69/77, they were great fun to work with and I really miss them. Thing is, from an enthusiast view many people didn't like them.....which I can see as the car interiors were a bit cattle-truck like. However with their room for standing and many sets of doors they were a little rocket around the Circle! They did the job so well and for such a long time. They were also much more capable than many people think. The common perception of the C stock was a slow, lumbering train which just plodded around. Not true - they were capable of much more and I rated driving them over the S stock. A decent C stock had better acceleration/brakes/responsiveness than an S stock. A not-so-decent C stock was a different story but this was seen as a challenge which just made the day more interesting As an aside - my favorite tube trains ever were the 1959 stock on the Northern. Wonderful things - just wished I'd been around in time to work on them (but then again I'd be quite a bit older now if I had ) Indeed, the C stock was very capable of hitting speed along the Circle Line whereas in comparison, it's the D stock that I find always just plods along slowly like a Brontosaurus plus the D stock just seems quite dingy inside even compared to the elderly 1972 stock on the Bakerloo. My own personal favourites were the 1967 stock on the Victoria Line - loved the styling and mixture of longitudinal and transverse seating and they were nippy buggers even at the end of their lives but as for current ones, it's everyone's hated stock that is the 1992 stock. Saunas on wheels and quite unreliable according to accounts but I just love the unique sound of them when they accelerate and slow down and they are very fast - that's the stock I'll miss the most out of the ones being removed in the next few years and into the 2020's though I can't wait to see the back of the 1973 stock on the Piccadilly Oi, wash your mouth out about the 92 stock. They are the best stock style wise. I love them. When they came out they were the best thing going, lol.
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