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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 19:36:17 GMT
Sad to see these trains go especially growing up with them. Still gutted they got a refurbishment so near to being withdrawn.
Have most be scrapped?
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Post by vjaska on Apr 21, 2017 19:41:56 GMT
How bad is it to say I won't miss the D stock lol
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Post by ben on Apr 21, 2017 19:57:55 GMT
Reliable they may have been, but they always felt a bit bland and anonymous to rid on. The aesthetic was clean enough but dull - too boxy. Give me an A stock any day!
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Post by LX09FBJ on Apr 21, 2017 21:44:47 GMT
Sadly I didn't catch the D today (why couldn't it have been tomorrow the last day instead!). They were probably my favourite of the 'old' (I'm mean 1983 stock and older) stock. I have travelled on them many times, the last being in October last year. TfL/LTMs EXTORTIONATE ticket price for a farewell tour is just wrong plus it feels much nicer when it's in normal traffic with non-enthusiasts added to the mix. Warning rant ahead Now I don't mind the S stock but it's boring and too 'samey' in comparison. The days have sadly gone where transport in London had character and everything is made to be the same, which is part of why people have a dislike to B5LH/Gemini 3s, given that Arriva, Go-Ahead, Metroline and RATP specify exactly the same vehicle, bar some minor cosmetic tweaks. Buses have in a way had more variety given that most operators specify different interiors. The B5LH is probably the best new vehicle for character but they don't match vehicles like Metrobuses and Titans. I've only been around since 1993 and into buses for the past twelve-thirteen years so can't judge what vehicles like DMSs, Metrobuses, Titans etc were like new and what the reaction of enthusiasts was like. I suppose once something becomes rare, or has it's days numbered then they become more special, the same nowadays applies to B7TLs, Tridents and DB250s. These have served well but what it's going to be like when the last of these kick the bucket, will it be a Routemaster affair (albeit not as extreme) or like the bendy buses, quietly bowing out with virtually no fanfare. I suppose I'm seemingly looking at the past with 'rose tinted eyes'. I wonder if in about 35 years time, when the last S stock retires if people will pay £100 or whatever inflation makes the price, but with the spectre of driverless trains and automation the only way I can see is them losing the modicum of soul that they have. Perhaps it's better to take a few steps back from cramming as much technology and automation into our lives and focus instead into increasing human interaction in our world. Rant over  |
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 21, 2017 22:05:46 GMT
Anyone know what's happening with the D stocks getting converted to mainline use or is that project a no go now after that fire ?
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Post by snoggle on Apr 21, 2017 22:29:58 GMT
Anyone know what's happening with the D stocks getting converted to mainline use or is that project a no go now after that fire ? Vivarail have identified all the issues that caused the fire under the test train. They apparently have fixes for all of them and are looking to resume test running. However the opportunity for an in service trial in the West Midlands has gone because it was strictly time limited because of the impending change to the West Midlands franchise. I have not seen anywhere be identified as a new trial area but there must be plenty of opportunities if someone would sponsor a trial. Covering the costs of the trial will be the big issue and may prevent the design reaching final design and approval. I have to say that I've been very dubious about the entire concept despite the expertise in the team backing the concept. I also wasn't that shocked when there was an incident with the train that has caused a concept. The fact that the government haven't been keen on the concept either bodes very badly for the future. There are only really a couple of franchises where they could now be deployed - Wales and the South West (GWR rural lines). It remains to be seen if the stakeholders and politicians in control of those franchises are remotely interested in second hand tube trains rather than a fleet of brand new trains (electric or diesel depending on whether lines in Wales get electrified). |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 21, 2017 23:19:18 GMT
Reliable they may have been, but they always felt a bit bland and anonymous to rid on. The aesthetic was clean enough but dull - too boxy. Give me an A stock any day! Don't get me wrong, I like boxy style things such as Underground stock, buses, concrete buildings, etc. but my word, I found them ultra dull and absolutely freezing to ride on a cold morning. Give me the excellent 67/72 stock or the 92 stock - lots of character even if the 72 stock are showing their age & the 92 stock are heavily unreliable. Only rode one A stock ever so can't really comment but I did like the C stock. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 22, 2017 0:31:28 GMT
This video by Oui 3 is topped and tailed by clips of C Stock on the H&C. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 22, 2017 8:31:54 GMT
Sadly I didn't catch the D today (why couldn't it have been tomorrow the last day instead!). They were probably my favourite of the 'old' (I'm mean 1983 stock and older) stock. I have travelled on them many times, the last being in October last year. TfL/LTMs EXTORTIONATE ticket price for a farewell tour is just wrong plus it feels much nicer when it's in normal traffic with non-enthusiasts added to the mix. Warning rant ahead Now I don't mind the S stock but it's boring and too 'samey' in comparison. The days have sadly gone where transport in London had character and everything is made to be the same, which is part of why people have a dislike to B5LH/Gemini 3s, given that Arriva, Go-Ahead, Metroline and RATP specify exactly the same vehicle, bar some minor cosmetic tweaks. Buses have in a way had more variety given that most operators specify different interiors. The B5LH is probably the best new vehicle for character but they don't match vehicles like Metrobuses and Titans. I've only been around since 1993 and into buses for the past twelve-thirteen years so can't judge what vehicles like DMSs, Metrobuses, Titans etc were like new and what the reaction of enthusiasts was like. I suppose once something becomes rare, or has it's days numbered then they become more special, the same nowadays applies to B7TLs, Tridents and DB250s. These have served well but what it's going to be like when the last of these kick the bucket, will it be a Routemaster affair (albeit not as extreme) or like the bendy buses, quietly bowing out with virtually no fanfare. I suppose I'm seemingly looking at the past with 'rose tinted eyes'. I wonder if in about 35 years time, when the last S stock retires if people will pay £100 or whatever inflation makes the price, but with the spectre of driverless trains and automation the only way I can see is them losing the modicum of soul that they have. Perhaps it's better to take a few steps back from cramming as much technology and automation into our lives and focus instead into increasing human interaction in our world. Rant over But the days when the Metrobus and Titan ruled London is very much as it is now, purely standard. Some areas the only double deck you saw was either Titan or Metrobus, standard single deck was Leyland National. I loved the D stock back then for their modern feel and Titan/Metrobus moquette. I don't feel much character for the B5LH at all, I rather the sound of the E400H over it. Buses like the Titan I loved for that chugging sound at idle
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Post by routew15 on Apr 22, 2017 8:49:53 GMT
Anyone know what's happening with the D stocks getting converted to mainline use or is that project a no go now after that fire ? Beside the modification to the diesel version as mentioned of the Class 230 , VivaRail is testing/developing a battery powered version of the train according to RTM |
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Post by Hassaan on Apr 22, 2017 10:42:32 GMT
There was an element of sadness throughout the day. While I was growing up, the majority of my trips somewhere using the London Underground involved using the District Line, thanks to the cross-platform interchange with the Piccadilly Line at Hammersmith. I really couldn't stand the orange and brown interior before they were refurbished, but they became quite nice after refurbishment. Having said that, yesterday alone was a reminder of how much better the S Stock are (especially the final trip). I'd decided to stand somewhere that ended up on the wrong side of the window hoppers, so there was zero airflow and it was incredibly stuffy. The S Stock air conditioning was much required! The D Stock is slightly narrower than the S Stock, and it is very noticeable in the aisles by the sideways seats because of the full height handrails taking up space, let alone by the facing seats in the middle. The old DC motors aren't very smooth accelerating, not fun when you're standing. And of course the narrow doors wasting time at stations. I'm not someone bothered about "character". As nice as the D Stock was in their day, my first journey on a S7 (which by chance was on their first ever day in service anywhere  ) showed that the future would be better. I know it is generally fashionable for enthusiasts to love everything old and hate everything new, but for normal everyday travelling I can't see many people preferring the D Stock. A massive thank you to everyone at London Underground who made yesterday possible. And to everyone who travelled, the people who made yesterday's atmosphere on board I've only uploaded the one shot so far, the trip that was terminated at Gunnersbury, where I waited almost an hour to take a shot! Later I travelled on it from Blackfriars to Richmond, then to Upminster and all the way to Ealing Broadway. |
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Post by M1199 on Apr 22, 2017 19:21:27 GMT
Reliable they may have been, but they always felt a bit bland and anonymous to rid on. The aesthetic was clean enough but dull - too boxy. Give me an A stock any day! Don't get me wrong, I like boxy style things such as Underground stock, buses, concrete buildings, etc. but my word, I found them ultra dull and absolutely freezing to ride on a cold morning. Give me the excellent 67/72 stock or the 92 stock - lots of character even if the 72 stock are showing their age & the 92 stock are heavily unreliable. Only rode one A stock ever so can't really comment but I did like the C stock. If TfL ever put on another special running the one of the A Stock RATs (which is looking increasingly unlikely) make sure you grab a ride! Still can't forget being on 5034 on the farewell tour and thundering past Dollis Hill at 74mph...... |
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Post by M1199 on Apr 22, 2017 19:38:45 GMT
Here's the few snaps I took yesterday. www.flickr.com/photos/62959794@N06/albums/72157679651855974As the District is the sub-service line I use the least, I don't really have any fond memories of the D Stock, I like there boxy appearance and the sound of the motors, just a shame the large front window's make them look ugly imo! It's DVA is the only one that doesn't annoy me for some reason! Back to yesterday, I got on at Barking, down to Richmond, on the way back to Upminister, there was a nice touch at Gunnersbury where Vera lynn's Wish me luck was played over the PA as it left for the final time. Upon leaving Upminister, I ended up in 7032, standing next to Hassaan and opposite RandomBusesGirl. There was a good atmosphere with none of the yobishness that marred the last A stock journey. It was also good to see at least 80% of regular commuters getting in on the occasion and taking photos of inside and outside as we were pulling off. Upon it heading off into retirement at Ealing Bdy, I legged it over the bridge to catch a GWR turbo home, only to miss it by seconds, I turn round to check the time of the next one, only to see me old man on his way home from work, so we ended up going up the pub for a skinful! All in all, a good day out! |
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Post by planesandtrains on Apr 22, 2017 20:58:03 GMT
There was an element of sadness throughout the day. While I was growing up, the majority of my trips somewhere using the London Underground involved using the District Line, thanks to the cross-platform interchange with the Piccadilly Line at Hammersmith. I really couldn't stand the orange and brown interior before they were refurbished, but they became quite nice after refurbishment. Having said that, yesterday alone was a reminder of how much better the S Stock are (especially the final trip). I'd decided to stand somewhere that ended up on the wrong side of the window hoppers, so there was zero airflow and it was incredibly stuffy. The S Stock air conditioning was much required! The D Stock is slightly narrower than the S Stock, and it is very noticeable in the aisles by the sideways seats because of the full height handrails taking up space, let alone by the facing seats in the middle. The old DC motors aren't very smooth accelerating, not fun when you're standing. And of course the narrow doors wasting time at stations. I'm not someone bothered about "character". As nice as the D Stock was in their day, my first journey on a S7 (which by chance was on their first ever day in service anywhere ) showed that the future would be better. I know it is generally fashionable for enthusiasts to love everything old and hate everything new, but for normal everyday travelling I can't see many people preferring the D Stock. A massive thank you to everyone at London Underground who made yesterday possible. And to everyone who travelled, the people who made yesterday's atmosphere on board I've only uploaded the one shot so far, the trip that was terminated at Gunnersbury, where I waited almost an hour to take a shot! Later I travelled on it from Blackfriars to Richmond, then to Upminster and all the way to Ealing Broadway. For me it's the same reason. The S Stocks are nicer to travel on, but the D stocks bring those family trips to Kew Gardens back. Also sitting in the buggy going to nursery on the Olympia Shuttle, and strangely remembering the time where I got the prototype refurbished D stock for the first time (I was 4, I don't even know why I can remember that!) It took me 11 years to ride that one again. I will never forget yesterday, the Atmosphere was so positive (and a bit sad). Best moment was that chill in the spine when everyone started cheering (and the traditional 'hip hip hooray' farewell) with the train's whistle going into overdrive mode. |
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 26, 2017 18:28:53 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I like boxy style things such as Underground stock, buses, concrete buildings, etc. but my word, I found them ultra dull and absolutely freezing to ride on a cold morning. Give me the excellent 67/72 stock or the 92 stock - lots of character even if the 72 stock are showing their age & the 92 stock are heavily unreliable. Only rode one A stock ever so can't really comment but I did like the C stock. If TfL ever put on another special running the one of the A Stock RATs (which is looking increasingly unlikely) make sure you grab a ride! Still can't forget being on 5034 on the farewell tour and thundering past Dollis Hill at 74mph...... One of my favourite YouTube vids  |
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) showed that the future would be better. I know it is generally fashionable for enthusiasts to love everything old and hate everything new, but for normal everyday travelling I can't see many people preferring the D Stock.
