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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jan 6, 2017 11:10:56 GMT
Remember the talk about a dozen hotspots in London being picked to meet low emission standards, Putney High Street being one already being implemented? Well, they've finally been announced. www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/sadiq-khan-creates-new-green-bus-zones-as-part-of-plan-to-clean-up-londons-air-a3433976.htmlThe list is as follows: Putney High Street – from Putney Station to Putney Bridge Road Brixton to Streatham – from Brixton Hill via Stockwell Road and Streatham High Road to Streatham Place A12 Eastern Avenue – from Blake Hall Road via High Road Leyton and Homerton High Street to Marsh Hill Lewisham to Catford – from Bromley Road via Rushey Green to Lewisham High Street Stratford – from Abbey Lane via Mile End Road to Woodgrange Road Haringey Road to Green LanesCamberwell to New Cross Deptford – from Blackheath Road via Camberwell Green and Peckham High Street to Wood’s Green Wandsworth to St John’s Hill – from Lavender Hill to Wandsworth Road (Clapham Junction included)Edgware Road (Kilburn to Maida Vale) – from Cricklewood Broadway via Kilburn High Road to Shoot-Up Hill Edmonton to Seven Sisters – from Amhurst Park via Green Lanes and Seven Sisters Road to The Broadway Uxbridge Road to Shepherd's Bush – from Ealing Broadway via Hanger Lane to Uxbridge Road, The Broadway Chiswick High Road to Kensington – via Hammersmith Broadway and Kensington High Street to Studland Street .There we go. Stratford is one I had a feeling that will be there, and will definitely be one of most 'fun' to implement - RIP all WH Tridents and 257's Weevils…… 308 somehow finds itself inside 2 of these (ain't the only route that happens to, though) and looks that it getting hybrids was a perfect call. But all of those W15's DMLs… The one I'm surprised is not there is Croydon. And to an extent, Romford. I guess both are too far for TfL to care, though.
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 6, 2017 11:32:14 GMT
Seems the peasants in outer London can be slowly condemned to death.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 6, 2017 11:56:40 GMT
Seems the peasants in outer London can be slowly condemned to death. By association with these zones though, many outer London routes would go hybrid, such as 208.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 6, 2017 12:43:12 GMT
Remember the talk about a dozen hotspots in London being picked to meet low emission standards, Putney High Street being one already being implemented? Well, they've finally been announced. www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/sadiq-khan-creates-new-green-bus-zones-as-part-of-plan-to-clean-up-londons-air-a3433976.htmlThe list is as follows: Putney High Street – from Putney Station to Putney Bridge Road Brixton to Streatham – from Brixton Hill via Stockwell Road and Streatham High Road to Streatham Place A12 Eastern Avenue – from Blake Hall Road via High Road Leyton and Homerton High Street to Marsh Hill Lewisham to Catford – from Bromley Road via Rushey Green to Lewisham High Street Stratford – from Abbey Lane via Mile End Road to Woodgrange Road Haringey Road to Green LanesCamberwell to New Cross – from Blackheath Road via Camberwell Green and Peckham High Street to Wood’s Green Wandsworth to St John’s Hill – from Lavender Hill to Wandsworth Road (Clapham Junction included) Edgware Road (Kilburn to Maida Vale) – from Cricklewood Broadway via Kilburn High Road to Shoot-Up Hill Edmonton to Seven Sisters – from Amhurst Park via Green Lanes and Seven Sisters Road to The Broadway Uxbridge Road to Shepherd's Bush – from Ealing Broadway via Hanger Lane to Uxbridge Road, The Broadway Chiswick High Road to Kensington – via Hammersmith Broadway and Kensington High Street to Studland Street .There we go. Stratford is one I had a feeling that will be there, and will definitely be one of most 'fun' to implement - RIP all WH Tridents and 257's Weevils…… 308 somehow finds itself inside 2 of these (ain't the only route that happens to, though) and looks that it getting hybrids was a perfect call. But all of those W15's DMLs… The one I'm surprised is not there is Croydon. And to an extent, Romford. I guess both are too far for TfL to care, though. Many of the tenders have already involved this. Operators have been aware of the places and routes that would be affect some months ago now.
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Post by LVF_Admin on Jan 6, 2017 14:18:10 GMT
Remember the talk about a dozen hotspots in London being picked to meet low emission standards, Putney High Street being one already being implemented? Well, they've finally been announced. www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/sadiq-khan-creates-new-green-bus-zones-as-part-of-plan-to-clean-up-londons-air-a3433976.htmlThe list is as follows: Putney High Street – from Putney Station to Putney Bridge Road Brixton to Streatham – from Brixton Hill via Stockwell Road and Streatham High Road to Streatham Place A12 Eastern Avenue – from Blake Hall Road via High Road Leyton and Homerton High Street to Marsh Hill Lewisham to Catford – from Bromley Road via Rushey Green to Lewisham High Street Stratford – from Abbey Lane via Mile End Road to Woodgrange Road Haringey Road to Green LanesCamberwell to New Cross – from Blackheath Road via Camberwell Green and Peckham High Street to Wood’s Green Wandsworth to St John’s Hill – from Lavender Hill to Wandsworth Road (Clapham Junction included) Edgware Road (Kilburn to Maida Vale) – from Cricklewood Broadway via Kilburn High Road to Shoot-Up Hill Edmonton to Seven Sisters – from Amhurst Park via Green Lanes and Seven Sisters Road to The Broadway Uxbridge Road to Shepherd's Bush – from Ealing Broadway via Hanger Lane to Uxbridge Road, The Broadway Chiswick High Road to Kensington – via Hammersmith Broadway and Kensington High Street to Studland Street .There we go. Stratford is one I had a feeling that will be there, and will definitely be one of most 'fun' to implement - RIP all WH Tridents and 257's Weevils…… 308 somehow finds itself inside 2 of these (ain't the only route that happens to, though) and looks that it getting hybrids was a perfect call. But all of those W15's DMLs… The one I'm surprised is not there is Croydon. And to an extent, Romford. I guess both are too far for TfL to care, though. Many of the tenders have already involved this. Operators have been aware of the places and routes that would be affect some months ago now. No surprise at all with any of those choices , especially the Lewisham , Catford & Camberwell Deptford routes, note Blackheath Road is Deptford not New Cross.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jan 6, 2017 14:38:46 GMT
note Blackheath Road is Deptford not New Cross. I copied the text from the linked article, my only addition was CLJ in brackets - knew Evening Standard would mess something up! Thanks for pointing that out
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Post by danorak on Jan 6, 2017 14:56:39 GMT
Although this is good news on the face of it, I can't help feeling this plays into a narrative whereby the bus is seen as the problem rather than part of the solution. It seems to be under attack from all sides - the driver sees it as the problem rather than the emission or congestion caused by their own car or van, the pedestrian sees the bus as a risk to their safety and the cyclist tuts from their lofty high ground. The voice of the bus user is not being heard: London Travel Watch seems more interested in pavements at the moment.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 6, 2017 15:50:50 GMT
R.I.P. recent posts page, your not gone but your sadly very much forgotten it seems!
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Post by M1104 on Jan 6, 2017 16:58:01 GMT
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Post by Nathan on Jan 6, 2017 18:29:40 GMT
Same thing happens every year. I don't know why the media even bother reporting this any more
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Post by snowman on Jan 6, 2017 19:27:27 GMT
I really don't like these zones, they are too selective, seems like just easy to do and what is happening anyway in tenders, then used as PR stunt. The tender process feels as it is being corrupted and routes are being awarded individually, but are being tied to swapping buses with a route not out to tender.
Just watched the TV news and S Khan was asked why the areas don't correspond to the pollution hotspots, and specifically why the polluted Brompton Road was not included. The mayors answer to this specific question was a lot of twaddle on introducing T charge from October. Don't think he even knew Brompton Road exists from the way he answered.
I have come to the conclusion that everything he does is a PR stunt, not for benefit of hard working Londoners.
I guess someone clever could work through the tender list and decide which routes (through these zones) are now likely to get new buses
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Post by vjaska on Jan 6, 2017 20:32:17 GMT
I really don't like these zones, they are too selective, seems like just easy to do and what is happening anyway in tenders, then used as PR stunt. The tender process feels as it is being corrupted and routes are being awarded individually, but are being tied to swapping buses with a route not out to tender. Just watched the TV news and S Khan was asked why the areas don't correspond to the pollution hotspots, and specifically why the polluted Brompton Road was not included. The mayors answer to this specific question was a lot of twaddle on introducing T charge from October. Don't think he even knew Brompton Road exists from the way he answered. I have come to the conclusion that everything he does is a PR stunt, not for benefit of hard working Londoners. I guess someone clever could work through the tender list and decide which routes (through these zones) are now likely to get new buses Couldn't it not be that those selected are the worst offenders for pollution - I watched the same on London Tonight earlier on and Brixton Road was specifically mentioned as the emission monitoring machine located near the police station went off nearly 10 times in one day. I know from reading past articles that Putney & Brixton are currently the worst offenders for pollution in London which is why they've repeatedly been mentioned whereas Brompton Road may not be as serious an issue than the places picked.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 7, 2017 0:23:42 GMT
I really don't like these zones, they are too selective, seems like just easy to do and what is happening anyway in tenders, then used as PR stunt. The tender process feels as it is being corrupted and routes are being awarded individually, but are being tied to swapping buses with a route not out to tender. Just watched the TV news and S Khan was asked why the areas don't correspond to the pollution hotspots, and specifically why the polluted Brompton Road was not included. The mayors answer to this specific question was a lot of twaddle on introducing T charge from October. Don't think he even knew Brompton Road exists from the way he answered. I have come to the conclusion that everything he does is a PR stunt, not for benefit of hard working Londoners. I guess someone clever could work through the tender list and decide which routes (through these zones) are now likely to get new buses I fully agree with you on this, I watched it on ITV news and thought what a load of junk. What ever happened to those parts of the A406 at Crooked Billet they said was extremely polluted. Surprised Amhurst Rd, Hackney wasn't touched.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 7, 2017 0:45:53 GMT
I really don't like these zones, they are too selective, seems like just easy to do and what is happening anyway in tenders, then used as PR stunt. The tender process feels as it is being corrupted and routes are being awarded individually, but are being tied to swapping buses with a route not out to tender. Just watched the TV news and S Khan was asked why the areas don't correspond to the pollution hotspots, and specifically why the polluted Brompton Road was not included. The mayors answer to this specific question was a lot of twaddle on introducing T charge from October. Don't think he even knew Brompton Road exists from the way he answered. I have come to the conclusion that everything he does is a PR stunt, not for benefit of hard working Londoners. I guess someone clever could work through the tender list and decide which routes (through these zones) are now likely to get new buses Despite your cynicism about this announcement it is surely rather more substantive than painting glue on the road to trap particulates and planting vertical growing plants on a wall near Edgware Road station? Of course there is going to be an element of politics and some easy wins on a policy like this. To be fair there is not much TfL can do with buses on Brompton Road given almost all the routes have recently gained euro6 hybrids or will gain electric single deckers in the future. Given the preponderance of large fuel guzzling vehicles in inner West London I would expect the T charge to certainly have some impact in and around the Brompton Road area. I don't see the Mayor mentioning that as him being clueless. It's also a bit rich really for anyone to criticise the current Mayor for seeking publicity [1] given the self obsessed, publicity mad 8 years of Boris Johnson. His entire Mayoralty was a massive ego trip. When challenged on the wording in the Business Plan about "aiming" to buy DD hybrids or electrics from 2018 TfL and Val Shawcross were *adamant* that the tendering system would deliver only such vehicles from that point in time. [1] and just for the record I do think Mayor Khan likes seeing himself on selfies and the TV a bit too much but I say that as someone who can't see the point of selfies anyway and who hates being photographed.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 7, 2017 1:24:35 GMT
I know I'm repeating myself from above but surely why those particular spots were picked were:
a) the places picked are the worst offending areas for pollution in London (I'd hedge my bets that Putney & Brixton are number 1 & 2 on that list respectively)
b) TfL can't exactly roll out tons of green corridors in one go
c) a green corridor hasn't been trialled yet to see how effective it is - I know it's not a piece of technology in itself and it's the buses receiving the emissions mods but we don't know how much it will help and whether it's worthwhile rolling it out to other areas or exploring another avenue altogether
I'm the last person to advocate cleaner energy and removal of emissions but he at least having a solid crack at trying to improve the situation.
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