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Post by busman on Jan 24, 2017 11:02:29 GMT
New consultation for routes 289 and 455 to remove double runs from these routes. Makes sense to me. Here's the link: consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-289-and-455/I'm a bit cynical about these consultations, as I think TfL have already made their decision and these are merely check box exercises. Still it's a useful tool for enthusiasts to know what is on the horizon.
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Post by sid on Jan 24, 2017 11:35:20 GMT
New consultation for routes 289 and 455 to remove double runs from these routes. Makes sense to me. Here's the link: consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-289-and-455/I'm a bit cynical about these consultations, as I think TfL have already made their decision and these are merely check box exercises. Still it's a useful tool for enthusiasts to know what is on the horizon. Seems reasonable enough.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 24, 2017 13:23:33 GMT
I don't like the Waddon Marsh proposals. Breaks a convenient interchange to / from the trams and lengthens walking time for people doing shopping at Sainsburys / Argos / TK Maxx. Perhaps it's TfL's view that bus passengers don't go shopping at these places? Even worse is the need for pedestrians to cross the A23 which is not far off being as wide as a motorway at this location. That's just unacceptable to me. The risk is that people will take chances to get across a very busy road if they see their bus coming and that will lead to accidents.
The Colonades change is a tad less controversial but the new stop will be out of view of the retail / food units and therefore a tad less attractive to use at night / quieter times. Who wants to wait on a busy dual carriageway shaded by trees and hedges?
The Waddon Marsh proposal could also set a worrying precedent. If TfL no longer want to serve places "off the highway" then how many more such double runs are going to be removed? W11 to no longer serve Sainsburys at the Billet? Quite likely when they decide that 10 buses on the new PVR is utterly inadequate for the proposed diversion.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 24, 2017 18:50:32 GMT
I don't like the Waddon Marsh proposals. Breaks a convenient interchange to / from the trams and lengthens walking time for people doing shopping at Sainsburys / Argos / TK Maxx. Perhaps it's TfL's view that bus passengers don't go shopping at these places? Even worse is the need for pedestrians to cross the A23 which is not far off being as wide as a motorway at this location. That's just unacceptable to me. The risk is that people will take chances to get across a very busy road if they see their bus coming and that will lead to accidents. The Colonades change is a tad less controversial but the new stop will be out of view of the retail / food units and therefore a tad less attractive to use at night / quieter times. Who wants to wait on a busy dual carriageway shaded by trees and hedges? The Waddon Marsh proposal could also set a worrying precedent. If TfL no longer want to serve places "off the highway" then how many more such double runs are going to be removed? W11 to no longer serve Sainsburys at the Billet? Quite likely when they decide that 10 buses on the new PVR is utterly inadequate for the proposed diversion. I'm inclined to agree particularly as the two stops at Waddon Marsh are fairly used and the time saving is really only there when Purley Way is quiet because there won't be any time saving when Purley Way is jammed packed which is often. The Colonnades change makes more sense personally.
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Post by lonmark on Jul 28, 2017 12:03:20 GMT
Got the email from TfL. It is go ahead with remove from the around at the Waddon Marsh and Croydon Colonnades. However Route 455 will provide to stop at bus stop H at Waddon Marsh.
it will start from 2nd September.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2017 12:55:57 GMT
Got the email from TfL. It is go ahead with remove from the around at the Waddon Marsh and Croydon Colonnades. However Route 455 will provide to stop at bus stop H at Waddon Marsh. it will start from 2nd September. So the 289 will no longer serve Stop H? Currently only the 289 & 663 serve this stop.
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Post by ibus246 on Jul 28, 2017 13:42:20 GMT
Yes, the time taken for the buses to rejoin the Purley Way and waiting at those traffic lights can take forever. A good proposal IMO
"Routes 289 and 455 are not meeting their minimum reliability standards. We will be putting an extra bus into the route 289 schedule, costing an estimated £250,000 per annum in September 2017. Removing the double runs avoids the need for additional buses on routes 289 and 455 whilst still allowing them to run reliably"
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Post by snoggle on Jul 28, 2017 14:39:23 GMT
Here are the reports and paper work. Odd that TfL have turned this round in 5 months but many other consultations are "stuck" such as the 5, 112, 298. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-289-and-455/user_uploads/routes-289-455-consultation-report.pdfconsultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-289-and-455/user_uploads/routes-289-455-responses-to-issues-raised.pdfInteresting they are going ahead despite large percentages opposing the changes. One wonders how the numbers split by those making through journeys and those who board and / or alight at the stops at Waddon Marsh / Colonnades. This is just yet another example of the bus being less convenient to use than a car or minicab and forcing people to walk to unattractive, noisy stops on main roads and / or forcing people to cross busy roads and side roads. I doubt any sort of equality impact assessment has been made on these proposals for those who can't walk very far or quickly or who are encumbered or disabled. These sorts of proposals are the rubbish that commercial operators come up with faced with financial pressures. I expect a bit better from TfL - especially on less frequent *OUTER* London routes. How long before the local Assembly Member complains to the Mayor about this?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2017 15:33:45 GMT
Yes, the time taken for the buses to rejoin the Purley Way and waiting at those traffic lights can take forever. A good proposal IMO "Routes 289 and 455 are not meeting their minimum reliability standards. We will be putting an extra bus into the route 289 schedule, costing an estimated £250,000 per annum in September 2017. Removing the double runs avoids the need for additional buses on routes 289 and 455 whilst still allowing them to run reliably" Although your spot on regarding trying to rejoin Purley Way, it sort of cancels itself out as running via Purley Way still leaves it in a traffic jam but now makes people having to walk further which is fine if your me but not if your elderly or disabled so the one benefit has now been lost. I do concede though that the proposal does benefit the 455 though but it does very little for the 289 because it will still have to contend with ridiculous amounts of traffic and as a consequence will still suffer reliability issues.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 10, 2017 14:03:00 GMT
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Post by sid on Oct 11, 2017 8:38:49 GMT
Well Assembly Members are nothing if not entirely predictable .... Lip service? TfL? In the consultation process? Surely not? It's a consultation not a referendum. These changes affect relatively few people.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 11, 2017 10:06:29 GMT
Well Assembly Members are nothing if not entirely predictable .... Lip service? TfL? In the consultation process? Surely not? It's a consultation not a referendum. These changes affect relatively few people. Tell that to Assembly Member O'Connell and see what response you get.
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Post by sid on Oct 11, 2017 10:29:35 GMT
It's a consultation not a referendum. These changes affect relatively few people. Tell that to Assembly Member O'Connell and see what response you get. I would think he is already aware of that.
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