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Post by george on Sept 27, 2019 17:28:24 GMT
If you thought traffic and bus travel around Putney has been bad since Hammersmith Bridge closed, brace yourself for even more mayhem. Work has begun on a 12-month programme of improvements on Putney High Street, starting this week at the Putney Station end. While the High Street will remain open to traffic, Wandsworth Council does say that the works will include periods of "road narrowing" to enable works to be carried out. However, it's unclear just how severely the road will be narrowed during the works - will they close an entire lane? Will traffic still be able to move in both directions at the same time? - so the scale of disruption is tough to predict. Significantly, the pavement along the High Street will also be "closed and reconstructed in sections", which will surely require temporary bus stopping arrangements throughout the town centre. With this fresh hell, and the joy of all that extra traffic displaced from Hammersmith Bridge, I imagine it's going to feel like a very long year for bus passengers and motorists travelling through Putney. Looks like it's started 😒. Although a bit surprise the 22 was mentioned.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 27, 2019 17:28:41 GMT
The 33s I have seen in Richmond Bridge area tend to be fairly lightly loaded at peak times unless there has been big gap in other services, probably because doesn’t really connect with trains anymore. A commuter from Twickenham area is going to get train or alternative bus to Richmond station for tube Think that's the quietest section of the route it helps that between Richmond and Twickenham there is 4 other routes to support the 33. On the subject of Richmond Bridge, I do think if the 490 were decked, another route would probably recieve a cutback or a frequency cut to reduce bus capacity along there.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 27, 2019 17:33:47 GMT
If you thought traffic and bus travel around Putney has been bad since Hammersmith Bridge closed, brace yourself for even more mayhem. Work has begun on a 12-month programme of improvements on Putney High Street, starting this week at the Putney Station end. While the High Street will remain open to traffic, Wandsworth Council does say that the works will include periods of "road narrowing" to enable works to be carried out. However, it's unclear just how severely the road will be narrowed during the works - will they close an entire lane? Will traffic still be able to move in both directions at the same time? - so the scale of disruption is tough to predict. Significantly, the pavement along the High Street will also be "closed and reconstructed in sections", which will surely require temporary bus stopping arrangements throughout the town centre. With this fresh hell, and the joy of all that extra traffic displaced from Hammersmith Bridge, I imagine it's going to feel like a very long year for bus passengers and motorists travelling through Putney. Looks like it's started 😒. Although a bit surprise the 22 was mentioned. Turns due to roadworks: EH109 - 14 to Piccadilly Circus (from Putney)
MHV89 - 14 to South Kensington (from Putney)
WHV142 - 14 to South Kensington (from Russell Square) WHV37 - 22 to Chelsea, World's End (from Putney) MHV96 - 22 to Chelesa, World's End (from Oxford Circus) WS77 - 39 to Putney Heath (from Putney Bridge)
EH86 - 74 to South Kensington (from Baker Street) EH111 - 74 to South Kensington (from Putney)
WHV136 and EH105 - 430 to Putney, High Street (from South Ken)
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Post by rif153 on Sept 27, 2019 17:38:16 GMT
Looks like it's started 😒. Although a bit surprise the 22 was mentioned. Turns due to roadworks: EH109 - 14 to Piccadilly Circus (from Putney)
MHV89 - 14 to South Kensington (from Putney)
WHV142 - 14 to South Kensington (from Russell Square) WHV37 - 22 to Chelsea, World's End (from Putney) MHV96 - 22 to Chelesa, World's End (from Oxford Circus) WS77 - 39 to Putney Heath (from Putney Bridge)
EH86 - 74 to South Kensington (from Baker Street) EH111 - 74 to South Kensington (from Putney)
WHV136 and EH105 - 430 to Putney, High Street (from South Ken)
There are also turns on the 37, 220, and 337. Whilst these routes don't run down Putney High Street, and so the roadworks aren't the main cause of the delays, I'm sure they haven't helped. Of course, the traffic on Fulham Palace Road and Upper Richmond Road has got significantly worse since Hammersmith Bridge closed.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 27, 2019 17:42:41 GMT
There was going to be a route cut back even if the 490 remains SD. It's the H22.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 27, 2019 17:46:48 GMT
There was going to be a route cut back even if the 490 remains SD. It's the H22. Ah yes that's a good point. The 110 would've been extended to Hammersmith though, so you'd be swapping one route for another, and losing one bus an hour, H22 runs with 5bph, the 110/419 merger was proposed to run with 4bph. However, let's not forget the proposed act of vandalism that is H37's frequency cut.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 27, 2019 17:55:24 GMT
There was going to be a route cut back even if the 490 remains SD. It's the H22. Ah yes that's a good point. The 110 would've been extended to Hammersmith though, so you'd be swapping one route for another, and losing one bus an hour, H22 runs with 5bph, the 110/419 merger was proposed to run with 4bph. However, let's not forget the proposed act of vandalism that is H37's frequency cut. Although I guess you could say the 290 was cutback whilst the 490 was SD, but its been eighteen years since a 290 was on the streets of Richmond (ignoring banditised FW/TF buses over the years)
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Post by george on Sept 27, 2019 17:57:59 GMT
Turns due to roadworks: EH109 - 14 to Piccadilly Circus (from Putney)
MHV89 - 14 to South Kensington (from Putney)
WHV142 - 14 to South Kensington (from Russell Square) WHV37 - 22 to Chelsea, World's End (from Putney) MHV96 - 22 to Chelesa, World's End (from Oxford Circus) WS77 - 39 to Putney Heath (from Putney Bridge)
EH86 - 74 to South Kensington (from Baker Street) EH111 - 74 to South Kensington (from Putney)
WHV136 and EH105 - 430 to Putney, High Street (from South Ken) There are also turns on the 37, 220, and 337. Whilst these routes don't run down Putney High Street, and so the roadworks aren't the main cause of the delays, I'm sure they haven't helped. Of course, the traffic on Fulham Palace Road and Upper Richmond Road has got significantly worse since Hammersmith Bridge closed. Although for the 337 it's mainly due to the closure of Hammersmith Bridge, the roadworks will make the route significantly worse . Was at Barnes common stand earlier and there was 3 337s and 3 493s there. At one point another 337 was blocking the road as there was no space there.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 27, 2019 18:06:00 GMT
There are also turns on the 37, 220, and 337. Whilst these routes don't run down Putney High Street, and so the roadworks aren't the main cause of the delays, I'm sure they haven't helped. Of course, the traffic on Fulham Palace Road and Upper Richmond Road has got significantly worse since Hammersmith Bridge closed. Although for the 337 it's mainly due to the closure of Hammersmith Bridge, the roadworks will make the route significantly worse . Was at Barnes common stand earlier and there was 3 337s and 3 493s there. At one point another 337 was blocking the road as there was no space there. How many buses can the Barnes Common stand take? I imagine it must be littered with buses at times due to all the turns on the 337 and 493
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Post by george on Sept 27, 2019 18:22:39 GMT
Although for the 337 it's mainly due to the closure of Hammersmith Bridge, the roadworks will make the route significantly worse . Was at Barnes common stand earlier and there was 3 337s and 3 493s there. At one point another 337 was blocking the road as there was no space there. How many buses can the Barnes Common stand take? I imagine it must be littered with buses at times due to all the turns on the 337 and 493 I'm not sure for certain but I would say about 7 if buses are parked up correctly not leaving much of a gap. There's nearly always more than one bus at any given time in the evening now.
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Post by thelondonthing on Sept 27, 2019 18:50:12 GMT
There was going to be a route cut back even if the 490 remains SD. It's the H22. Ah yes that's a good point. The 110 would've been extended to Hammersmith though, so you'd be swapping one route for another, and losing one bus an hour, H22 runs with 5bph, the 110/419 merger was proposed to run with 4bph. However, let's not forget the proposed act of vandalism that is H37's frequency cut. It wouldn't have been a like-for-like swap though. The proposal would have seen the H22 withdrawn between Twickenham and Richmond - but the plan was to divert the 110 away from Twickenham town centre entirely, running instead via the A316 and St Margarets (which would have helped ease the burden on the H37 between St Margarets and Richmond).
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Post by vjaska on Sept 27, 2019 18:57:43 GMT
I know about the traffic, in affect Barnes has become a island, however on the Mortlake end of the 533 towards Hammersmith even though with traffic if the bus comes straight away it will probably be quicker to Hammersmith rather than waiting for the 209. Afraid I don't agree on that point - the 209 is high frequency though so very unlikely you'll have a long wait for one and it's very quick now with Castelnau seeing little traffic. You could easily do the 209 end to end before even crossing Chiswick Bridge on the 533 due to the very heavy traffic in Mortlake. As I previously said, the 533 should get a frequency increase but having done both the 533 and the combo of a 209, walk across the bridge & 72 into Hammersith, the latter was quicker personally.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 27, 2019 19:02:26 GMT
Ah yes that's a good point. The 110 would've been extended to Hammersmith though, so you'd be swapping one route for another, and losing one bus an hour, H22 runs with 5bph, the 110/419 merger was proposed to run with 4bph. However, let's not forget the proposed act of vandalism that is H37's frequency cut. It wouldn't have been a like-for-like swap though. The proposal would have seen the H22 withdrawn between Twickenham and Richmond - but the plan was to divert the 110 away from Twickenham town centre entirely, running instead via the A316 and St Margarets (which would have helped ease the burden on the H37 between St Margarets and Richmond). I'm aware of the point you're trying to convey.
However, the argument about the 110 extension being used as justification to cut the H37's frequency is fallacious. The H37 is a very busy route which is well used, and carries very strong loadings. It would not cope well with a frequency cut, buses are packed in the Isleworth area as it is, so the 110 won't do much to alleviate pressure on the route, also when one considers that there isn't a very long section of overlap between the proposed 110 and H37.
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Post by LK65EBO on Sept 27, 2019 19:15:26 GMT
It wouldn't have been a like-for-like swap though. The proposal would have seen the H22 withdrawn between Twickenham and Richmond - but the plan was to divert the 110 away from Twickenham town centre entirely, running instead via the A316 and St Margarets (which would have helped ease the burden on the H37 between St Margarets and Richmond). I'm aware of the point you're trying to convey.
However, the argument about the 110 extension being used as justification to cut the H37's frequency is fallacious. The H37 is a very bus route which is well used, and carries very strong loadings. It would not cope well with a frequency cut, buses are packed in the Isleworth area as it is, so the 110 won't do much to alleviate pressure on the route, also when one considers that there isn't a very long section of overlap between the proposed 110 and H37.
Do you mean a busy route. Is the H37 a very special route with a 'very bus' or are most of the other routes in London operated by red tanks. lol Jking
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Post by rif153 on Sept 27, 2019 19:19:12 GMT
I'm aware of the point you're trying to convey.
However, the argument about the 110 extension being used as justification to cut the H37's frequency is fallacious. The H37 is a very bus route which is well used, and carries very strong loadings. It would not cope well with a frequency cut, buses are packed in the Isleworth area as it is, so the 110 won't do much to alleviate pressure on the route, also when one considers that there isn't a very long section of overlap between the proposed 110 and H37.
Do you mean a busy route. Is the H37 a very special route with a 'very bus' or are most of the other routes in London operated by red tanks. lol Jking Yes I do lol
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