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Post by enviroPB on Mar 31, 2024 17:10:14 GMT
Are there a lot of Stagecoach routes? Maybe years ago but Go Ahead are very dominant in most parts of east London now. Certainly are dominant in the Barking Road and south Newham area, but north Newham is still pretty solid Stagecoach territory. It's funny to think how Stagecoach once had every route in East Ham besides the 474, but now they only have 3 routes with one of them being the 474. Something that I realised last week when I was in the area was that Mile End's routes are 100% Stagecoach! Pretty sure that's the first time this has happened since tendering began, but happy to be corrected if it's otherwise.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 31, 2024 2:10:34 GMT
The 499 technically has a stand in Heath Park Estate, but in reality there's no fixed bus cage hence no fixed stand. The 135 is the same in the City, you're free to check Google Street View if you don't believe me. It's pointless saying I worked in Old Street two years ago and also passed East Road late January this year, as you won't be satisfied with practicalities over theory. No need to, I work in Old Street every day Monday to Friday right by the 135 stand you claim doesn't exist. Just because a stand isn't marked out doesn't mean it's not what the space is used for. The route record dictates to the meter where the buses are meant to stand and that's exactly where they stand. The N35 will have plenty of space to stand there as the 135 doesn't operate at night. Good thing Old Street and Shoreditch has no traffic issues on weekend nights as no one goes there. In fact, why are TfL trying to extend the N35 to Old Street? It's a ghost town really.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 31, 2024 1:25:55 GMT
That's not set in stone, some drivers do also choose to stand at the bus stop as well. There is still no official stand in both scenarios and won't be ideal for a high PVR route in the N35 to stand in a bus lane there. Whether you believe it or not, traffic does choke up to New North Road in certain circumstances on [weekend] nights. I've always believed there should be a stand in the layby in East Road opposite Haberdasher Street for the 135 and other short turning routes. There is actually a bus stand there londonbuses.co.uk/route-records/135-2022.pdfThe bus stand extends north and is in the official route record and it's where buses should be standing, the vast majority of them do. It can take two buses and really the N35 should not have more than 2 buses on stand at a time so that's not going to be any issue. Any 135 drivers that choose to stand at the bus stop is not because there's no official stand, it's because for whatever reason they are not adhering to the route record much like how 473s and SL2s sometimes stand in the lay-by area at North Woolwich just by the bus stops and how EL1s sometimes stand at their first stop in Ilford instead of their stand further back. The 499 technically has a stand in Heath Park Estate, but in reality there's no fixed bus cage hence no fixed stand. The 135 is the same in the City, you're free to check Google Street View if you don't believe me. It's pointless saying I worked in Old Street two years ago and also passed East Road late January this year, as you won't be satisfied with practicalities over theory.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 30, 2024 23:21:08 GMT
An educated guess says TfL are waiting for the carriage works at Old Street to finish before the small extension. I don't know if stand space is also a factor, considering there's technically no stand at Old Street for the N35. The 135 stands at its bus stop at New North Road, but that gets disruptive to other routes during the peaks. It doesn't have to be said but is worth noting, that Old Street and Shoreditch is a killer for traffic most weekends. The small extension on the N35 would be worth it in terms of scooping up more weekend revellers, the question remains how to achieve a sense of reliability for the rest of the N35 route in the process. The 135 actually stands further back on East Road and only picks up at its first stop. There is certainly more than enough stand space there as the 135 won't operate at night. That's not set in stone, some drivers do also choose to stand at the bus stop as well. There is still no official stand in both scenarios and won't be ideal for a high PVR route in the N35 to stand in a bus lane there. Whether you believe it or not, traffic does choke up to New North Road in certain circumstances on [weekend] nights. I've always believed there should be a stand in the layby in East Road opposite Haberdasher Street for the 135 and other short turning routes.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 30, 2024 21:26:51 GMT
What happened with the Route N35 extension to Old Street? An educated guess says TfL are waiting for the carriage works at Old Street to finish before the small extension. I don't know if stand space is also a factor, considering there's technically no stand at Old Street for the N35. The 135 stands at its bus stop at New North Road, but that gets disruptive to other routes during the peaks. It doesn't have to be said but is worth noting, that Old Street and Shoreditch is a killer for traffic most weekends. The small extension on the N35 would be worth it in terms of scooping up more weekend revellers, the question remains how to achieve a sense of reliability for the rest of the N35 route in the process.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 30, 2024 12:49:03 GMT
Oh shows how much memory serves lol. Tryna recall where it would turn to head back? I used to like that Bowling Alley a lot, now it is either Surrey Quays or Finsbury Park. So where the showcase cinemas used to be there is a roundabout over there and the 262 would use that to turn back around back to Stratford. I have a feeling it was due to the reliability issues along that stretch of the route and so they "temporarily" cut it back to the sainsbury's (SavaCentre as I always remembered it as) only for the news to break that it would become permanent. I thought the main reason was the lack of a proper stand at Showcase Cinema? The southbound bus stop could only take two buses at a time, and if the 262 was standing there it was impossible for the 325 and 366 to serve the stop properly. It was also not uncommon to see three 262s on stand! yunus What I miss most about the 262 before November 2008 was that people would meet up in Stratford to then all go to Showcase Cinema in Beckton. Kids and families alike deliberately taking an end-to-end and not thinking it laborious, it added to the cinema experience! The deckers on the 262 also made for easy dispersal of crowds predominantly from the cinema, but also Hollywood Bowl and the diners there at the time. It's a bit direct to say but I think the 262 being pulled out from Showcase Cinema was the slow death nail in the leisure park. Now the only thing there apart from the future industrial park being built is Power League, but almost everyone drives there now. It shows how important bus links are, and the 262 from Stratford opened Beckton to whole of Newham. Reminiscing time over.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 30, 2024 3:52:15 GMT
From memory, I know the 25 started off with First in 2011 with a 59 PVR and 64 TVR. Then it was 64 PVR for the CS2 cycle works for a while before it was cut after the Mile End shorts were introduced. It's a bit disheartening that Manchester now has the highest PVR route in the UK, but not too unreasonable given it's a big city and one that's seeing investment in their bus network at the moment. In London we're facing the catch 22 of more routes with reduced PVRs instead of more trunk routes, where I'm sure punters prefer the latter. Let's not forget as well, Manchester also has the crown for the busiest bus corridor in Europe on the Wilmslow Road; specifically near the Curry Mile where it was at one point 140bph with the combined routes! I have no clue if Covid has scuppered those facts but it's pretty impressive nonetheless. Manchester doesn’t have the highest PVR route in the UK. Coastliner 700 utilises a PVR of 47 across its whole length from Portsmouth to Brighton. -FORWARDED MESSAGE- The person you are trying to belittle is currently out of the country on holiday, and will be back in 5 business days. If you need urgent attention, please redirect your incessant need for always being correct at the original member who made the original statement you are disputing. By the second week in April, I will be back to fully ignoring your light harassment. I apologise in advance for the inconvenience caused. -END OF MESSAGE-
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 29, 2024 18:58:23 GMT
Once upon a time not too long ago a PVR of 39 would be dwarfed by routes in London. I'd also say the 192 might be the flagship Stagecoach route period. You do have others like the Dundee 73 and the London 25 but I'd say the 192 is the jewel in the crown. Yup, shows how far London’s buses have fallen from grace. 38 had PVR 72 25 had PVR 60 18 had PVR 53 Can’t remember the specific figures of any others but I’m pretty sure the 12, 29, 73, 149, 207, 279, 436 and 453 also had PVRs well north of 40 at one point. The 192 certainly is Stagecoach’s flagship route. More than half of my Manchester bus journeys have been on that route. The work Stagecoach have put into that route making it into the runaway success it’s become, just for it to go to another operator would really not have felt right From memory, I know the 25 started off with First in 2011 with a 59 PVR and 64 TVR. Then it was 64 PVR for the CS2 cycle works for a while before it was cut after the Mile End shorts were introduced. It's a bit disheartening that Manchester now has the highest PVR route in the UK, but not too unreasonable given it's a big city and one that's seeing investment in their bus network at the moment. In London we're facing the catch 22 of more routes with reduced PVRs instead of more trunk routes, where I'm sure punters prefer the latter. Let's not forget as well, Manchester also has the crown for the busiest bus corridor in Europe on the Wilmslow Road; specifically near the Curry Mile where it was at one point 140bph with the combined routes! I have no clue if Covid has scuppered those facts but it's pretty impressive nonetheless.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 29, 2024 18:05:03 GMT
15099 on the 241 to Custom House Just out of interest did you see the bus perform the turn? I suspect it might have been a Scania without a Royal Wharf blind and the driver used Custom House? I don't think this is an official turn now the route has been rerouted and think it was on the blinds as that was where the route was going to curtail on the original 2017 /18 proposals. Route 241 has had Prince Regent on the blinds since Crossrail works from the late 2000s, surely that would have been used instead? Custom House has been on the WH blindset since 2018, and in the era of power blinds, has to be a pre-determined turn on the 241. Wouldn't be surprised if the 325 has also been allocated that turn since its contract renewal earlier this month.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 22, 2024 22:29:15 GMT
Why? The 176 is one of the few routes that departs central London packed. A glimpse of a southbound bus on Charing Cross Road and you would never think it has only served a couple stops for the passenger subscription to be that high. The area it serves around Dulwich has no direct train alternative to central London, so there is little wonder why the 176 is so well used throughout. The 176 is currently curtailed at Aldwych. And the data was extrapolated from November 2022. I am aware of the temporary truncation but it has no bearing on these stats.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 22, 2024 14:29:30 GMT
I only seem to take the SL8 on Saturday midday (likely be on it tomorrow too) and it does not surprise me, always packed. 176, now that surprises me in that I have never really noticed that route but will look out for it. In all four lists. Why? The 176 is one of the few routes that departs central London packed. A glimpse of a southbound bus on Charing Cross Road and you would never think it has only served a couple stops for the passenger subscription to be that high. The area it serves around Dulwich has no direct train alternative to central London, so there is little wonder why the 176 is so well used throughout.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 19, 2024 22:45:53 GMT
Any news on any more new electrics being registered? I know the 439's batch of SEe's are not due until April but I'm a bit surprised the 325's batch of SEe's haven't turned up yet.... Speaking on the 325, GAL did not put on SEes on the 366 till about 6 weeks in when most of the electrics were available. I assume RR is doing the same with the 325 as well.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 19, 2024 17:42:40 GMT
I overall welcome the faster links across South London with the rerouted 35, considering how slow & unreliable the 37 & P4 are but this does break the link between Stockwell & Peckham. You could keep the 345 to/from Peckham if that link is well used There is no if- the 345 is well used from Peckham and is quicker to Brixton than the 37. If there is any future review of Brixton routes, I'd be very surprised if the 345 was involved in any changes.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 18, 2024 1:20:48 GMT
Isn’t the highway speed limit 30mph at LLT? But I understand where you’re coming from. Moreover, the 135 does get caught up in traffic on the A13 hence why I’ve suggested that extension for SL4. It’s 40mph till just before the Limehouse link tunnel; goes to 30mph in the LLT and 20mph thereafter Aspen Way to the east of the tunnel is still 40mph. The Highway which is west of the Limehouse Link Tunnel is 20mph. I've spoken to my brother who drives through regularly and he attests to The Highway's speed limit being slashed since the back end of Covid.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 17, 2024 19:59:21 GMT
I was wondering, should the SL4 be extended to Liverpool Street Station, like an X135 but through Limehouse Link Tunnel? If so it would be the first superloop to serve East Central London as Liverpool Street is very popular for interchanges. If there are no simultaneous plans to revert The Highway's speed limit to 40mph from 20, then it's rather a pointless proposition. There are enough links from the DLR, Elizabeth line and route 135 to justify such an extension from Canary Wharf.
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