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Post by rmz19 on Dec 2, 2017 13:19:01 GMT
Do you ever go to places like Reading? Next time you see a failed LED take a photo, it'll probably be worth a few quid? What political or disability pressures? I'm sorry but most of what you've posted is nonsense. Why do you think just about every other bus operator in the country has long since changed over to LED? Just for the fun of it? Or maybe because it's a far more modern and efficient way of doing things? I don't see how most of it is nonsense, they're all genuine points. If LEDs are as wonderful as they are why have TfL not made the switch? Because in this regard TFL favour tradition over efficiency/technology, regardless of cost. It's all good to stick with tradition and all but we are in a modern era where alternative technology can be found in abundance and can be used as a superior means of doing what you want, with only subjectivity being an exception. Having said that, every type of technology has the potential of failing in any aspect imaginable, however with the utilisation of LED blinds the positives outweigh the negatives due to the absence of mechanical issues traditional blinds are prone to. In the event of failure you would have no choice but to resort to pen and paper but this notion would apply to every type of blinds in existence, though with LEDs it would be less likely.
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 2, 2017 13:23:37 GMT
Are we still going on about LED blinds? 🙄 This thread is a perennial bugbear, I guess as more cases of Banditry across the Capital emerge, this thread gets some attention...
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Post by sid on Dec 2, 2017 13:49:23 GMT
Why indeed? That's the whole point of this thread? Or does anybody really think just every other bus operator in the country has got it wrong? I think that there is no wrong and there is no right, there's issues with LEDs and there are issues with blinds. TfL have chosen to stick with blinds which are easy to read in broad daylight and convey the message across clearly while other operators around the country have chosen LEDs for their different needs. What different needs? Honestly the only argument against LED's is that we'll have to close the blind banditry section on here.
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Post by rebbelhead on Dec 2, 2017 16:42:28 GMT
The reason TfL decided to stick with blinds rather than any form of electronic display was one of legibility - that alone and nothing to do with tradition or being stuck in the mud! At the time - some years back now - led displays could produce neither the clarity of a printed font nor visibility in bright daylight, especially when the bus was heading into direct sunlight. As I say, that was some time back. The preservation of a Johnston font has also been dear to TfL's heart (and with good reason); this was also once impossible to achieve electronically, although great strides have been made toward that now.
Since that became established policy however, technology has advanced SO much. Reading is maybe at the forefront, but many other operators are now also using bright displays that are far clearer than blinds under almost all circumstances. Add to this the much improved reliability and durability of leds, lower maintenance costs and flexibility of electronics and there is very little argument for retaining blinds - other than tradition or being stuck in the mud!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 22:57:47 GMT
Sid I have been to Reading many times, in fact I was there for three years whilst at Uni so I do know the Reading scene quite well. There were in fact occasions where I had seen a Reading Bus with no LEDs, though yes this was not the norm.
You like LEDs. I like roller blinds. I do agree that LEDs are the future. LCD like what SEe9 has I do not believe is the way forward. The issue I see with LCD is that after a while, text becomes ingrained or "burnt" onto the screen. This may be rectified in the future with further advances, but it's not quite there yet.
The new head of Surface Transport at TfL is Ms/Mrs Claire Mann. The new spec for London Buses' comes out at the start of the new year and it'll be interesting to see what's in it...
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Post by snoggle on Dec 2, 2017 23:49:26 GMT
Sid I have been to Reading many times, in fact I was there for three years whilst at Uni so I do know the Reading scene quite well. There were in fact occasions where I had seen a Reading Bus with no LEDs, though yes this was not the norm. You like LEDs. I like roller blinds. I do agree that LEDs are the future. LCD like what SEe9 has I do not believe is the way forward. The issue I see with LCD is that after a while, text becomes ingrained or "burnt" onto the screen. This may be rectified in the future with further advances, but it's not quite there yet. The new head of Surface Transport at TfL is Ms/Mrs Claire Mann.The new spec for London Buses' comes out at the start of the new year and it'll be interesting to see what's in it... Interesting as is her background - mostly in rail. Ideally qualified to be running buses then. uk.linkedin.com/in/claire-mann-5a8318ba
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 23:54:24 GMT
Sid I have been to Reading many times, in fact I was there for three years whilst at Uni so I do know the Reading scene quite well. There were in fact occasions where I had seen a Reading Bus with no LEDs, though yes this was not the norm. You like LEDs. I like roller blinds. I do agree that LEDs are the future. LCD like what SEe9 has I do not believe is the way forward. The issue I see with LCD is that after a while, text becomes ingrained or "burnt" onto the screen. This may be rectified in the future with further advances, but it's not quite there yet. The new head of Surface Transport at TfL is Ms/Mrs Claire Mann.The new spec for London Buses' comes out at the start of the new year and it'll be interesting to see what's in it... Interesting as is her background - mostly in rail. Ideally qualified to be running buses then. uk.linkedin.com/in/claire-mann-5a8318baAbsolutely ... Mike Brown and herself will go very well in "improving" London Buses ...
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Post by sid on Dec 3, 2017 0:18:04 GMT
Sid I have been to Reading many times, in fact I was there for three years whilst at Uni so I do know the Reading scene quite well. There were in fact occasions where I had seen a Reading Bus with no LEDs, though yes this was not the norm. You like LEDs. I like roller blinds. I do agree that LEDs are the future. LCD like what SEe9 has I do not believe is the way forward. The issue I see with LCD is that after a while, text becomes ingrained or "burnt" onto the screen. This may be rectified in the future with further advances, but it's not quite there yet. The new head of Surface Transport at TfL is Ms/Mrs Claire Mann. The new spec for London Buses' comes out at the start of the new year and it'll be interesting to see what's in it... I certainly don't dislike blinds, they look great on vintage vehicles but time moves on and they've had their day. LED's are far more efficient and cost effective. I'm slightly baffled about your comment about SEe9, is this what you're referring to? www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/27019849509/in/dateposted-public/
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 8:55:21 GMT
If LCD technology is improved then that could very well be the way forward for London, as it'll mean that the unique Johnston font can be maintained. The trial at Cricklewood didn't necessary go so well, however that's what trials are for. Nothing will change London bus blind wise without extensive trials, you'd like to think anyway, cost or no cost. Only the future will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 12:24:10 GMT
One thing I considered with regard to failed blinds and nasty scrawled on paper replacements... why not give drivers tablets so they can display the route number at the very least and stick it in a mount in front of the steering column in the Johnston font?
At present I believe some vehicles have cameras on the front of the steering column but future designs could easily have the camera relocated and a mount set up to hold the emergency tablets*?
*Emergency tablets not meaning the kind to get you through a shift!
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Post by abc on May 11, 2019 15:24:41 GMT
My son asked me today: why are the N and the X half height on the new blinds, while the other prefixes such as P are full height?
Does anyone know?
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Post by galwhv69 on May 11, 2019 15:38:38 GMT
My son asked me today: why are the N and the X half height on the new blinds, while the other prefixes such as P are full height? Does anyone know? N & X aren't area specific unlike others like P which distinguishes them from the others
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Post by ServerKing on May 15, 2019 17:08:01 GMT
My son asked me today: why are the N and the X half height on the new blinds, while the other prefixes such as P are full height? Does anyone know? N & X aren't area specific unlike others like P which distinguishes them from the others I remember years ago the bus stop tiles had the N prefixes as superscript i.e N207 so it might be going back to this traditional nod. Newer blind tech will allow for the same quality appearance with electronic blinds, it appears a few of us may want to see what appears on the E11 buses when they take to the road for the new Abellio contract *hides*
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Post by Londonbuses54 on May 29, 2019 7:42:58 GMT
How can you simply add a destination or route on a bus blind? Do they send it off to be printed on the white gaps of the original blind?
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