LT class fleet

[tony4387]

Can anybody help me with the allocations fleet number and reg numbers of the LT class between the operators as I'm trying to update my own fleet records many thanks

[YY13VKP]

Apr 14, 2017 18:06:20 GMT tony4387 said:

Can anybody help me with the allocations fleet number and reg numbers of the LT class between the operators as I'm trying to update my own fleet records many thanks

I can give you the first 400.
LT1-7. Route 38 (Arriva London, CT)
LT8-40. Route 24 (Metroline, HT)
LT41-68. Route 11 (Go-Ahead London, SW)
LT69-94. Route 9 (London United, V)
LT95-117/190. Route 390 (Metroline, HT)
LT118-119/189. Route 11 (Go-Ahead London, SW)
LT120-147. Route 148 (London United, S)
LT148-171/174-175 Route 10 (London United, V)
LT172/173 . Route 59 (Arriva London, BN)- was originally part of route 38's batch
LT176-188/191-233. Route 38 (Arriva London, CT)
LT234-LT238. Route 48 (Arriva London, AE) - I think this a temporary allocation
LT239-272. Route 8 (Stagecoach London, BW)
LT273-311. Route 453 (Go-Ahead London, MW)
LT312-352. Route 137 (Arriva London, N)
LT353-356. Route 73 (Arriva London, SF)
LT357-390. Route 55 (Stagecoach London, T)
LT391-413. Route 15 (Stagecoach London, BW)



I'll edit this later but if someone else wants to list the rest they are more than welcome to do so

[Eastlondoner62]

Apr 14, 2017 18:42:45 GMT YY13VKP said:

LT234-LT238. Route 48 (Arriva London, AE) - I think this a temporary allocation

It's a permanent allocation, but the 48s fleet will be quite mix and matched with buses coming from quite a mix of Arriva routes.

[LX09FBJ]

Apr 14, 2017 18:06:20 GMT tony4387 said:

Can anybody help me with the allocations fleet number and reg numbers of the LT class between the operators as I'm trying to update my own fleet records many thanks

LT1-900 are LTZ1--- (from 1001 to 1900) and LT901 onwards start at LTZ2101 etc.

Some garages that have more than one LT route often share allocations. Here, the route the vehicles were originally bought for/currently allocated are listed

LT1-7, Arriva London, route 38 (a)
LT8-40, Metroline, Holloway, route 24
LT41-67, London General, Stockwell, route 11
LT68-94, London United, Stamford Brook, route 9
LT95-117, Metroline, Holloway, route 390
LT118-119, London General, Stockwell, route 11
LT120-147, London United, Shepherd's Bush, route 148
LT149-171, 174-175, London United, Stamford Brook, route 10
LT172-173, Arriva London, Brixton, route 59 (b)
LT176-188, 191-233, Arriva London, Clapton, route 38
LT189, London General, Stockwell, routes 11/88 (b)
LT190, Metroline, Cricklewood, routes 16/189 (b)
LT234-238, Arriva London, Ash Grove, route 48 (c)
LT239-272, Stagecoach London, Bow, route 8
LT274-311, London General, Mandela Way, route 453
LT312-316, Stagecoach London, Leyton, route 55
LT317-352, Arriva London, Brixton, route 137
LT353-356, Arriva London, Stamford Hill, route 73
LT357-390, Stagecoach London, Leyton, route 55
LT391-416, Stagecoach London, Bow, route 15 (d)
LT417-456, London Central, Camberwell, route 12
LT457-459, London General, Stockwell, route 88
LT460, London United, Shepherd's Bush, route 148
LT461, London United, Stamford Brook, routes 9/10
LT462, Stagecoach London, Bow, routes 8/15
LT463, Stagecoach London, Leyton, route 55
LT464-477, Arriva London, Stamford Hill, route 73
LT478-487, London General, Stockwell, route 88
LT488-500, Arriva London, Stamford Hill, route 73
LT501-512, London General, Stockwell, route 88
LT513-516, Arriva London, Tottenham, route 149
LT517-542, Arriva London, Stamford Hill, route 73
LT543-563, Metroline, Cricklewood, route 16
LT564-601, Arriva London, Tottenham, route 149
LT602-640, Abellio London, Battersea, route 159
LT641-663, Metroline, Holloway, route 168
LT664-690, London Central, Camberwell, route 68
LT691-715, Abellio London, Battersea, route 3
LT716-744, Arriva London, Brixton, route 59
LT745-766, Metroline, Holloway, route 91
LT767, Metroline, Cricklewood, routes 16/189
LT768-788, Abellio London, Battersea, route 211
LT789-811, Metroline, Cricklewood, route 189
ST812, Metroline, Holloway, route 91 (e)
LT813-844, Arriva London, Stamford Hill, route 253
LT845-874, London Central, New Cross, route 21
LT876-900, London General, Northumberland Park, Route 76 (f)
LT901-953, Blue Triangle, River Road, routes EL1/EL2/EL3 (f)

LT954-1007 yet to be allocated.

Notes:
(a) - original pre-production prototypes (plus LT8 now at Metroline used to be based here for the 38 as well)
(b) - As far as I know, these are the 'prototype' Euro VI buses
(c) - Route 48 is due to get its allocation made up of existing LTs freed up from the cuts made to routes 38, 73 and 137 plus additional new buses (if these are on order)
(d) - these are due to move to Go-Ahead London when route 15 transfers in August
(e) - short wheelbase prototype hence the ST code
(f) - These are were these vehicles were due to be allocated, but they are currently mixed between Northumberland Park and River Road.

[astock5000]

A few minor additions and corrections to the above list:

LT8, the last of the original prototype batch, was converted to become one of the Euro-VI prototypes. LT188 was also a Euro-VI prototype and is now allocated to Brixton
LT68 is a Go-Ahead bus allocated to SW
LT326-352 have transferred to Norwood with part of route 137, though occasionally are loaned back to Brixton and can turn up on the 59
Loans between Mandela Way and Camberwell are very common but LT456 has mainly been operating from MW for over a year so may be a transfer (it is currently back at Q according to LVF however)
LT901/2 are part of the batch intended for route 76
The last bus will be LT1000 (orders were 8 prototypes + 600 + 200 (later reduced to 197) + 195)

Edit: I also have a fleet list for the type on a Google Docs spreadsheet, Click here.

[vjaska]

Apr 14, 2017 19:17:48 GMT astock5000 said:

A few minor additions and corrections to the above list:

LT8, the last of the original prototype batch, was converted to become one of the Euro-VI prototypes. LT188 was also a Euro-VI prototype
LT68 is a Go-Ahead bus allocated to SW
LT326-352 have transferred to Norwood with part of route 137, though occasionally are loaned back to Brixton and can turn up on the 59
Loans between Mandela Way and Camberwell are very common but LT456 has mainly been operating from MW for over a year so may be a transfer (it is currently back at Q according to LVF however)
LT901/2 are part of the batch intended for route 76
The last bus will be LT1000 (orders were 8 prototypes + 600 + 200 (later reduced to 197) + 195)

You might as well rename yourself the LT expert as you sure know your stuff regarding them lol.

[astock5000]

Apr 14, 2017 19:19:16 GMT vjaska said:

You might as well rename yourself the LT expert as you sure know your stuff regarding them lol.

LOL! I think I've got a bit too obsessed with keeping track of such details to be honest. My online fleet list is nothing compared to the information I have on my personal one.

[tony4387]

Thanks guy mulch appreciated

[southlondonbus]

So there are still 54 unallocated. The 254 will use about 35 so that still leaves about 19 unallocated of the 48 doesn't need any new ones. Could another route conversion be on the cards.

[snowman]

Apr 15, 2017 22:34:32 GMT southlondonbus said:

So there are still 54 unallocated. The 254 will use about 35 so that still leaves about 19 unallocated of the 48 doesn't need any new ones. Could another route conversion be on the cards.

The common view is the 48 will be partly new ones, and a handful will be upgrade float which explains the unallocated.
The first few hundred are to have engines upgraded to euroVI, and there was talk of rear door modification (but maybe this has been abandoned).

Late 2018 or 2019 it is understood that another 2 or 3 routes may be converted using buses displaced by the proposed central London bus cuts and Oxford Street scheme. The engine mods need to be done by proposed revised ULEZ date of April 2019. I think it is now accepted that euroVI minimum applies, and TfL can't expect an exemption if everyone else pays fine.

What happens in 2020s is unknown, there are two schools of thought: not much further change; or a move to more zone 2-3 routes as electric buses take over some central routes. My own view is all London will see virtually no new buses 2020-2022 (due to funding crisis, and a pause once fleet is ULEZ compatible), from about 2023 electric buses will become norm for new buses

content.tfl.gov.uk/bus-fleet-audit-130117.pdf
The link shows the January fleet breakdown, new quarterly report due soon, but there are graphs of fleet age profile etc. Notice the low numbers 2005-2008 (age 11-8 years on graph). Now project forward 2-3 years and the single decks before 2018 (8 years on graph), or double decks before 2019 (7 years on graph) will have gone.

There are about 290 single and 840 double decks due 2017 (based on tender wins). Adjusting age profile for these and new buses in 2018 is why I expect negligible new buses 2020-2022

[​galwhv69]

Not exactly sure where to put this so I've put it here for now
Stumbled upon this whilst looking for bus blindboxes (anyone know where I could find some preferably pretty cheap?)
content.tfl.gov.uk/new-bus-for-london-lease-agreement.pdf
Essentially a non operator specific lease agreement for the NRM
-Includes NRM design standards
-Includes details of how vehicles should be kept
-Includes how much vehicle is worth after each year of deterioration (When new, worth £354,500!!!)

[ADH45258]

Following discussion of possible LT movements around route 67, plus the current use of LTs on the 332, I have looked at where LTs are spare around the fleet (across all operators):

ABELLIO

[LT149 is currently VOR, but I am assuming that this will move to QB when back in service, following LT150 (as 2 LTs have already moved the other way)]

TF - exactly enough LTs
QB - 8 LTs surplus (including LT149)
WL - 2 LTs surplus

ARRIVA

CT - exactly enough LTs
AE - 1 LT surplus
BN/N - 1 LT surplus LT
SF - 5 LTs surplus
AR - further 7 LTs needed to complete the 19's allocation - this could be completed using those listed above.

GO AHEAD

NP/NX/RR - exactly enough LTs
SW - 3 LTs surplus
Q - further 11 LTs would be needed to fully convert route 176 (the 3 spare at SW could contribute to this)

METROLINE

HT - 2 LTs surplus, including ST812
W - 7 LTs surplus

RATP

S - 2 LTs surplus
V - 1 LT surplus

STAGECOACH

BW - 1 LT surplus
T - 2 LTs surplus



QB and W in particular both seem to have a lot of spare LTs, some of these could perhaps transfer to Go Ahead (Q) to fully convert the 176 to LTs - makes sense to remove this mixed allocation when more than enough LTs are available elsewhere.

Also, if route 19 were to use the 7 surplus LTs from other Arriva garages*, this would allow the 67 to simply take its current allocation with it to NP. This would also allow the 19 to fully convert to LTs before the 67 transfers, and release additional HVs from AR to AD, and complete the reshuffle planned. Or if Arriva wanted to keep a few more spares, perhaps a few of the surplus LTs at SW could move to NP for the 67, rather than taking away from the 176?

[Deleted]

Jun 3, 2020 11:51:09 GMT ADH45258 said:

Following discussion of possible LT movements around route 67, plus the current use of LTs on the 332, I have looked at where LTs are spare around the fleet (across all operators):

ABELLIO

[LT149 is currently VOR, but I am assuming that this will move to QB when back in service, following LT150 (as 2 LTs have already moved the other way)]

TF - exactly enough LTs
QB - 8 LTs surplus (including LT149)
WL - 2 LTs surplus

ARRIVA

CT - exactly enough LTs
AE - 1 LT surplus
BN/N - 1 LT surplus LT
SF - 5 LTs surplus
AR - further 7 LTs needed to complete the 19's allocation - this could be completed using those listed above.

GO AHEAD

NP/NX/RR - exactly enough LTs
SW - 3 LTs surplus
Q - further 11 LTs would be needed to fully convert route 176 (the 3 spare at SW could contribute to this)

METROLINE

HT - 2 LTs surplus, including ST812
W - 7 LTs surplus

RATP

S - 2 LTs surplus
V - 1 LT surplus

STAGECOACH

BW - 1 LT surplus
T - 2 LTs surplus



QB and W in particular both seem to have a lot of spare LTs, some of these could perhaps transfer to Go Ahead (Q) to fully convert the 176 to LTs - makes sense to remove this mixed allocation when more than enough LTs are available elsewhere.

Also, if route 19 were to use the 7 surplus LTs from other Arriva garages*, this would allow the 67 to simply take its current allocation with it to NP. This would also allow the 19 to fully convert to LTs before the 67 transfers, and release additional HVs from AR to AD, and complete the reshuffle planned. Or if Arriva wanted to keep a few more spares, perhaps a few of the surplus LTs at SW could move to NP for the 67, rather than taking away from the 176?

Wouldn't say NX has enough LTs by the amount of times the 21 uses conventional deckers.

[busoccultation]

Jun 3, 2020 11:51:09 GMT ADH45258 said:

Following discussion of possible LT movements around route 67, plus the current use of LTs on the 332, I have looked at where LTs are spare around the fleet (across all operators):

STAGECOACH

BW - 1 LT surplus
T - 2 LTs surplus

Stagecoach for sure, doesn't really have any surplus LT's for both the 8 & 55 as they are extra spares for both routes as otherwise both routes will end up using conventional hybrids more than they need to and if they did have enough spare LT's, then definitely LT461 won't need to come to Stagecoach for the 55.

[vjaska]

Not only that but the older LT's generally seem to be far more unreliable than the newer ones except for Arriva & RAPT who seem to have struck lucky with their batches, they're generally pretty consistent in staying in service, Abellio another better one though early days with their older contingent. Go-Ahead, Metroline & Stagecoach are probably grateful for the extra spares given they seem to have the most unreliable batches - for clarity, I'm not laying blame at the operators.