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Post by snowman on Mar 2, 2021 7:39:17 GMT
Just spotted that TfL have mid life refurbishment of the LT in their contract opportunities list See entry 19735 on attached list Expected award date 23/08/21 Value estimated £25m - £50m for 1000 buses (£25k-£50k each) content.tfl.gov.uk/future-opportunities-tfl.pdfsuggests to me, rather more than a repaint, if expecting to pay tens of thousands per bus, wonder if they are getting some modifications or battery replacement/upgrades. Anyone know what is planned ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 8:30:28 GMT
Just spotted that TfL have mid life refurbishment of the LT in their contract opportunities list See entry 19735 on attached list Expected award date 23/08/21 Value estimated £25m - £50m for 1000 buses (£25k-£50k each) content.tfl.gov.uk/future-opportunities-tfl.pdfsuggests to me, rather more than a repaint, if expecting to pay tens of thousands per bus, wonder if they are getting some modifications or battery replacement/upgrades. Anyone know what is planned ? Further down , 22812/3...problem with driver seat and also says short term vehicle hire
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 6, 2021 23:34:58 GMT
With this planned refurbishment of LTs, I think it might be no coincidence that the route 148 tender announcement has been delayed. I have the feeling that TfL have asked the bidders to resubmit their bids based on their own buses, either new electrics or existing hybrids. The LTs thereby released would provide a float for the refurbishment programme to commence, though probably with older examples than those on route 148. Then once the LT refurbishment programme is complete, the current route 148 batch could enable a new route to be converted - such as route 109, 141 or finally route 176.
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Post by TB123 on Mar 7, 2021 0:11:37 GMT
With this planned refurbishment of LTs, I think it might be no coincidence that the route 148 tender announcement has been delayed. I have the feeling that TfL have asked the bidders to resubmit their bids based on their own buses, either new electrics or existing hybrids. The LTs thereby released would provide a float for the refurbishment programme to commence, though probably with older examples than those on route 148. Then once the LT refurbishment programme is complete, the current route 148 batch could enable a new route to be converted - such as route 109, 141 or finally route 176. The 148 tender delay, as myself and others stated, is because of proposals to restructure the route.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 7, 2021 0:17:00 GMT
Just spotted that TfL have mid life refurbishment of the LT in their contract opportunities list See entry 19735 on attached list Expected award date 23/08/21 Value estimated £25m - £50m for 1000 buses (£25k-£50k each) content.tfl.gov.uk/future-opportunities-tfl.pdfsuggests to me, rather more than a repaint, if expecting to pay tens of thousands per bus, wonder if they are getting some modifications or battery replacement/upgrades. Anyone know what is planned ? Are some of the early LTs still defined as euro5? Perhaps an upgrade in that respect is part of the program.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 7, 2021 1:31:53 GMT
Just spotted that TfL have mid life refurbishment of the LT in their contract opportunities list See entry 19735 on attached list Expected award date 23/08/21 Value estimated £25m - £50m for 1000 buses (£25k-£50k each) content.tfl.gov.uk/future-opportunities-tfl.pdfsuggests to me, rather more than a repaint, if expecting to pay tens of thousands per bus, wonder if they are getting some modifications or battery replacement/upgrades. Anyone know what is planned ? Are some of the early LTs still defined as euro5? Perhaps an upgrade in that respect is part of the program. They shouldn't be given TfL announced not long ago the entire core fleet is Euro VI.
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Post by snowman on Mar 7, 2021 7:41:49 GMT
With this planned refurbishment of LTs, I think it might be no coincidence that the route 148 tender announcement has been delayed. I have the feeling that TfL have asked the bidders to resubmit their bids based on their own buses, either new electrics or existing hybrids. The LTs thereby released would provide a float for the refurbishment programme to commence, though probably with older examples than those on route 148. Then once the LT refurbishment programme is complete, the current route 148 batch could enable a new route to be converted - such as route 109, 141 or finally route 176. TfL have been mulling altering the 148, although I don’t know if anything was decided. However TfL also decided the tender issue and tender bids date, and only a complete moron would set this earlier than setting the specs for the route (which includes the route to be operated, frequency, turns, size of bus etc) What is factual is that the existing LTs allocated to 148 are slightly too old to do a full 7 year contract starting in 9 months without running into their 15th year. It is also publicly listed that an LT mid life refurbishment contract averaging £25-50k per bus is due to be awarded in August. It is probable that the refurb will not be exactly same for each bus, many of the earlier ones had replacement batteries due to faults, about 400 were originally only euroV so have had upgrades, the earlier ones had the rear doors configured to allow open platform, later ones had a fixed panel etc. Some things have also been invented since they were designed eg geo-fencing electric mode (GPS controlled not running diesel in selected streets for heritage or pollution reasons), which in theory could be added. Before anyone asks, I have no idea what mid life work will be done, but it is obvious that if they are to be done in roughly age order, then a refurb float will be required as a number of buses from same route would be away at same time on a rolling basis.
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Post by snowman on Jul 14, 2021 6:44:06 GMT
The latest TfL Board committee papers are now out Page 64 (section 5.11) the mid life refurbishment of LTs is about to start Also says 3000 buses are being refitted with intelligent speed assist (doesn’t say which ones, but presumably the LTs are part of it) content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-20210721-agenda-papers-public.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 6:52:41 GMT
With this planned refurbishment of LTs, I think it might be no coincidence that the route 148 tender announcement has been delayed. I have the feeling that TfL have asked the bidders to resubmit their bids based on their own buses, either new electrics or existing hybrids. The LTs thereby released would provide a float for the refurbishment programme to commence, though probably with older examples than those on route 148. Then once the LT refurbishment programme is complete, the current route 148 batch could enable a new route to be converted - such as route 109, 141 or finally route 176. TfL have been mulling altering the 148, although I don’t know if anything was decided. However TfL also decided the tender issue and tender bids date, and only a complete moron would set this earlier than setting the specs for the route (which includes the route to be operated, frequency, turns, size of bus etc) What is factual is that the existing LTs allocated to 148 are slightly too old to do a full 7 year contract starting in 9 months without running into their 15th year. It is also publicly listed that an LT mid life refurbishment contract averaging £25-50k per bus is due to be awarded in August. It is probable that the refurb will not be exactly same for each bus, many of the earlier ones had replacement batteries due to faults, about 400 were originally only euroV so have had upgrades, the earlier ones had the rear doors configured to allow open platform, later ones had a fixed panel etc. Some things have also been invented since they were designed eg geo-fencing electric mode (GPS controlled not running diesel in selected streets for heritage or pollution reasons), which in theory could be added. Before anyone asks, I have no idea what mid life work will be done, but it is obvious that if they are to be done in roughly age order, then a refurb float will be required as a number of buses from same route would be away at same time on a rolling basis. Do you think it’s possible that the current 148 LT fleet will be used as refurb float ? Higher numbered LTs used on the 148 ex reductions on other routes ( 16,55,253,254 ) ?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 14, 2021 14:36:31 GMT
TfL have been mulling altering the 148, although I don’t know if anything was decided. However TfL also decided the tender issue and tender bids date, and only a complete moron would set this earlier than setting the specs for the route (which includes the route to be operated, frequency, turns, size of bus etc) What is factual is that the existing LTs allocated to 148 are slightly too old to do a full 7 year contract starting in 9 months without running into their 15th year. It is also publicly listed that an LT mid life refurbishment contract averaging £25-50k per bus is due to be awarded in August. It is probable that the refurb will not be exactly same for each bus, many of the earlier ones had replacement batteries due to faults, about 400 were originally only euroV so have had upgrades, the earlier ones had the rear doors configured to allow open platform, later ones had a fixed panel etc. Some things have also been invented since they were designed eg geo-fencing electric mode (GPS controlled not running diesel in selected streets for heritage or pollution reasons), which in theory could be added. Before anyone asks, I have no idea what mid life work will be done, but it is obvious that if they are to be done in roughly age order, then a refurb float will be required as a number of buses from same route would be away at same time on a rolling basis. Do you think it’s possible that the current 148 LT fleet will be used as refurb float ? Higher numbered LTs used on the 148 ex reductions on other routes ( 16,55,253,254 ) ? The 148 is to receive its own cut which releases LT’s so I’d imagine the refurbs possibly begin once that happens?
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 31, 2021 16:46:56 GMT
With this planned refurbishment of LTs, I think it might be no coincidence that the route 148 tender announcement has been delayed. I have the feeling that TfL have asked the bidders to resubmit their bids based on their own buses, either new electrics or existing hybrids. The LTs thereby released would provide a float for the refurbishment programme to commence, though probably with older examples than those on route 148. Then once the LT refurbishment programme is complete, the current route 148 batch could enable a new route to be converted - such as route 109, 141 or finally route 176. Could this happen to the buses currently on the 111? Or the 11 could lose it's LT's.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 31, 2021 19:00:37 GMT
With this planned refurbishment of LTs, I think it might be no coincidence that the route 148 tender announcement has been delayed. I have the feeling that TfL have asked the bidders to resubmit their bids based on their own buses, either new electrics or existing hybrids. The LTs thereby released would provide a float for the refurbishment programme to commence, though probably with older examples than those on route 148. Then once the LT refurbishment programme is complete, the current route 148 batch could enable a new route to be converted - such as route 109, 141 or finally route 176. Could this happen to the buses currently on the 111? Or the 11 could lose it's LT's. Given that route 111 is due to lose LTs and is less of a traditional LT route than route 11, the route 111 batch could indirectly be a good starting point.
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Post by spiffenage on Nov 25, 2021 18:29:06 GMT
Stagecoach s LTs have internal fleet numbers in the 61xx series according to SOME fleetkists I heard that the original name for this but was to be the Wrightbus STREETMASTER. Far better than B****master or New Routemaster NRM class. Looking to the future when their London service is over whether some could be exported to Sri Lanka where many RT family buses went in the 1960s? Just a thought.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2021 19:24:15 GMT
Stagecoach s LTs have internal fleet numbers in the 61xx series according to SOME fleetkists I heard that the original name for this but was to be the Wrightbus STREETMASTER. Far better than B****master or New Routemaster NRM class. Looking to the future when their London service is over whether some could be exported to Sri Lanka where many RT family buses went in the 1960s? Just a thought. Stagecoach have had national numbers for other similar vehicles like the Routemasters for example, the official fleet list from Stagecoach contains the group wide fleet numbers of the LT's which are indeed in the 6**** series
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Post by spiffenage on Dec 12, 2021 10:25:55 GMT
Named after guess who and tainted by association?
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