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Post by george on May 10, 2019 13:48:06 GMT
I do wonder what will happen with the RV1 Hydrogen buses. It would make sense to send them to Metroline too if a route can be found for them. 283 maybe?
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Post by snowman on May 10, 2019 13:58:34 GMT
I think this is a good move, but I do struggle with the concept of 3 routes, as the 7 / N7 is more akin to a single route, but I digress. If TfL own the buses, then logically they should own the fuelling equipment, which could theoretically be moved to another location if needed. If these routes were to be removed from the Tender programme, then what is stop Metroline from charging a very full price to operate the routes? This should answer question on who has commissioned the Perivale refuelling site Nel ASA (of Oslo) hydrogen station news
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 14:37:23 GMT
I think this is a good move, but I do struggle with the concept of 3 routes, as the 7 / N7 is more akin to a single route, but I digress. If TfL own the buses, then logically they should own the fuelling equipment, which could theoretically be moved to another location if needed. If these routes were to be removed from the Tender programme, then what is stop Metroline from charging a very full price to operate the routes? This should answer question on who has commissioned the Perivale refuelling site Nel ASA (of Oslo) hydrogen station newsWell clearly Metroline will be running these routes for the foreseeable then !
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Post by vjaska on May 10, 2019 15:15:15 GMT
I do wonder what will happen with the RV1 Hydrogen buses. It would make sense to send them to Metroline too if a route can be found for them. 283 maybe? They're too long for the 283 at 12m - besides, why remove buses from a garage that has the equipment already setup - no doubt a solution will be found involving LI's existing infrastructure. As SILENCED informed us in another post, it seems you can't simply pick up a hydrogen refueling facility and move it elsewhere.
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Post by snowman on May 10, 2019 15:24:28 GMT
Well clearly Metroline will be running these routes for the foreseeable then ! Just re-read the press notice, very selective mentioning UK built buses, but no mention of Norwegian fuel station. Perhaps Norway is seen as too foreign and would cause questions The hydrogen station at LI must be close to 10 years old, wonder if that becomes contract free soon
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Post by george on May 10, 2019 20:49:29 GMT
They're too long for the 283 at 12m - besides, why remove buses from a garage that has the equipment already setup - no doubt a solution will be found involving LI's existing infrastructure. As SILENCED informed us in another post, it seems you can't simply pick up a hydrogen refueling facility and move it elsewhere. Didn't realise they were too long. I was just suggesting metroline win the route as I know the tender is up soon.
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Post by snowman on May 14, 2019 12:29:39 GMT
Just seen that Ballard are supplying Wrightbus with 20 FCveloCity®-HD 85-kilowatt fuel cell modules to power London buses Now 85 Kw is 114 Hp (same power as my 1 litre car with its VW group engine), but my car doesn't weigh 18 tonnes when loaded, seems very underpowered to me. Ballard order Link
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Post by snoggle on May 14, 2019 13:20:27 GMT
Just seen that Ballard are supplying Wrightbus with 20 FCveloCity®-HD 85-kilowatt fuel cell modules to power London buses Now 85 Kw is 114 Hp (same power as my 1 litre car with its VW group engine), but my car doesn't weigh 18 tonnes when loaded, seems very underpowered to me. Ballard order Link A long time ago a TfL person mentioned to me, when they did a "meet and greet" at W'Stow, that they might experiment with hybrid and fuel cells combined in buses. Wonder if this is a trial of that concept? I can't say anymore as I didn't press as to the details and I've not savvy enough on the technical stuff to know whether such a concept is practical.
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Post by redbus on May 14, 2019 17:51:13 GMT
Just seen that Ballard are supplying Wrightbus with 20 FCveloCity®-HD 85-kilowatt fuel cell modules to power London buses Now 85 Kw is 114 Hp (same power as my 1 litre car with its VW group engine), but my car doesn't weigh 18 tonnes when loaded, seems very underpowered to me. Ballard order Link A long time ago a TfL person mentioned to me, when they did a "meet and greet" at W'Stow, that they might experiment with hybrid and fuel cells combined in buses. Wonder if this is a trial of that concept? I can't say anymore as I didn't press as to the details and I've not savvy enough on the technical stuff to know whether such a concept is practical. 85 KW relates to the capacity of the fuel cells, ie how much 'charge' they will hold. I don't believe this correlates to engine power, it determines how long the bus will go between hydrogen refills (depending upon road conditions and how it is driven). We'll have to see what the specification of the electric engine is to know the engine power.
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Post by snowman on Jul 11, 2019 5:27:37 GMT
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