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Post by busaholic on Apr 12, 2019 23:06:30 GMT
The benefit of long term strategic funding and a long term funding settlement. It's why stuff gets built and put into service in Paris and Ile de France. They make us look like rank amateurs. I remember reading two or three years back that the region had about fifteen tram/lightrail/metro new lines or extensions all being built at the same time. Buses may be less popular in the scheme of things there, but they're used more strategically to provide interchange with tram lines, etc, in a co-ordinated way that we rarely achieve in this country.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 13, 2019 10:24:57 GMT
The benefit of long term strategic funding and a long term funding settlement. It's why stuff gets built and put into service in Paris and Ile de France. They make us look like rank amateurs. I remember reading two or three years back that the region had about fifteen tram/lightrail/metro new lines or extensions all being built at the same time. Buses may be less popular in the scheme of things there, but they're used more strategically to provide interchange with tram lines, etc, in a co-ordinated way that we rarely achieve in this country. Yep that's pretty much correct. At least two Metro extensions are under construction now and I think RER line E is also being extended. A lot of the tram lines and extensions are now in service in various different places. Paris / Ile de France have taken an interesting approach to buses. There has been progressive expansion of frequencies, new routes and longer service hours. Routes do get restructured when tram lines come into service which is no great surprise - standard stuff on the continent. A huge restructuring of the bus network in Central Paris is about to happen within days. RATP have taken well over a year in consulting on the changes and preparing for the launch. The other small but interesting thing that has happened is a decision to show all bus services, not just RATP ones, on the sector bus maps that RATP publish. In the greater Paris area buses are often separately contracted and operated by companies other than RATP. It used to be painful trying to find any info about them but now it's all shown on the sector maps. I only ever found about this because friends live in NW outer Paris right on the edge of RATP bus operation. Most local routes are nothing to do with RATP hence I noticed the evolution in information provision. I keep meaning to go back to Paris to explore some of the new tram and bus routes but the exchange rate is so dire that it's just too expensive.
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Post by busaholic on Apr 13, 2019 18:13:53 GMT
I remember reading two or three years back that the region had about fifteen tram/lightrail/metro new lines or extensions all being built at the same time. Buses may be less popular in the scheme of things there, but they're used more strategically to provide interchange with tram lines, etc, in a co-ordinated way that we rarely achieve in this country. Yep that's pretty much correct. At least two Metro extensions are under construction now and I think RER line E is also being extended. A lot of the tram lines and extensions are now in service in various different places. Paris / Ile de France have taken an interesting approach to buses. There has been progressive expansion of frequencies, new routes and longer service hours. Routes do get restructured when tram lines come into service which is no great surprise - standard stuff on the continent. A huge restructuring of the bus network in Central Paris is about to happen within days. RATP have taken well over a year in consulting on the changes and preparing for the launch. The other small but interesting thing that has happened is a decision to show all bus services, not just RATP ones, on the sector bus maps that RATP publish. In the greater Paris area buses are often separately contracted and operated by companies other than RATP. It used to be painful trying to find any info about them but now it's all shown on the sector maps. I only ever found about this because friends live in NW outer Paris right on the edge of RATP bus operation. Most local routes are nothing to do with RATP hence I noticed the evolution in information provision. I keep meaning to go back to Paris to explore some of the new tram and bus routes but the exchange rate is so dire that it's just too expensive. Way too long since I got to Paris, and realistically it may not happen again: never even been on Eurostar, despite having a free ticket once that I couldn't use! The only bus maps I ever got hold of were in a small hardback book I found in a Paris bookshop, with lots of arcane information, all in French of course, but I know enough to get the gist, usually. It's so sad to compare what's happening in Paris transport-wise to London, so I guess it's best not to. If you do ever get back there I'd very much like to read your observations on your visit.
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Post by snowman on Apr 13, 2019 19:06:37 GMT
Yep that's pretty much correct. At least two Metro extensions are under construction now and I think RER line E is also being extended. A lot of the tram lines and extensions are now in service in various different places. Paris / Ile de France have taken an interesting approach to buses. There has been progressive expansion of frequencies, new routes and longer service hours. Routes do get restructured when tram lines come into service which is no great surprise - standard stuff on the continent. A huge restructuring of the bus network in Central Paris is about to happen within days. RATP have taken well over a year in consulting on the changes and preparing for the launch. The other small but interesting thing that has happened is a decision to show all bus services, not just RATP ones, on the sector bus maps that RATP publish. In the greater Paris area buses are often separately contracted and operated by companies other than RATP. It used to be painful trying to find any info about them but now it's all shown on the sector maps. I only ever found about this because friends live in NW outer Paris right on the edge of RATP bus operation. Most local routes are nothing to do with RATP hence I noticed the evolution in information provision. I keep meaning to go back to Paris to explore some of the new tram and bus routes but the exchange rate is so dire that it's just too expensive. Way too long since I got to Paris, and realistically it may not happen again: never even been on Eurostar, despite having a free ticket once that I couldn't use! The only bus maps I ever got hold of were in a small hardback book I found in a Paris bookshop, with lots of arcane information, all in French of course, but I know enough to get the gist, usually. It's so sad to compare what's happening in Paris transport-wise to London, so I guess it's best not to. If you do ever get back there I'd very much like to read your observations on your visit. Happened to go there in February, there are not very many buses in the central area, although they do operate on a number of corridors across middle of Paris. There is a night bus network when metro is closed. It appears the Metro is main form of transport (in same way tube is in London), but Metro stations are often fairly close so don’t need bus routes duplicating them. It is being expanded, lines 11 and 14 are receiving extensions and there are 4 (yes four) new lines 15, 16, 17, 18 under construction. Line 15 is a circular route, Line 16 an Eastern route (I think one of these is a revival of the old Eastern link Petite Ceinture Line), Line 14 extension goes South to Orly airport, Line 17 is a new line via Charles de Gaulle airport, Line 18 an Orly airport - South Paris - Versailles Line In addition RER Line E is being extended by new 7km tunnel via La Defense to Nanterre La Folie and then takes on about 55km of surburban network. In the East electrification is being extended to Provins
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Post by busaholic on Apr 13, 2019 23:33:19 GMT
Way too long since I got to Paris, and realistically it may not happen again: never even been on Eurostar, despite having a free ticket once that I couldn't use! The only bus maps I ever got hold of were in a small hardback book I found in a Paris bookshop, with lots of arcane information, all in French of course, but I know enough to get the gist, usually. It's so sad to compare what's happening in Paris transport-wise to London, so I guess it's best not to. If you do ever get back there I'd very much like to read your observations on your visit. Happened to go there in February, there are not very many buses in the central area, although they do operate on a number of corridors across middle of Paris. There is a night bus network when metro is closed. It appears the Metro is main form of transport (in same way tube is in London), but Metro stations are often fairly close so don’t need bus routes duplicating them. It is being expanded, lines 11 and 14 are receiving extensions and there are 4 (yes four) new lines 15, 16, 17, 18 under construction. Line 15 is a circular route, Line 16 an Eastern route (I think one of these is a revival of the old Eastern link Petite Ceinture Line), Line 14 extension goes South to Orly airport, Line 17 is a new line via Charles de Gaulle airport, Line 18 an Orly airport - South Paris - Versailles Line In addition RER Line E is being extended by new 7km tunnel via La Defense to Nanterre La Folie and then takes on about 55km of surburban network. In the East electrification is being extended to Provins What joy to be a Parisian!
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Post by M1104 on Apr 14, 2019 8:17:58 GMT
Routes 39 and 42 are already Hybrid, they have Heuliez GX337's which I must say are brilliant buses when I used them while I was out there last month, but I think they use the same hybrid system as the E400MMC, as they sounded very similar. I'm very surprised though that there are no double deckers in Paris, apart from tour buses. That's somthing I've wondered about on the trips i've made to Paris. There are no low bridges That I can remember. Maybe it's just the volume of passengers or parisians favour the Metro? Do we have any Parisians who contribute to the Forum? Drifting off subject a bit it reminds me of New York where british built double-deckers[1] were trialled there in the 70s but were unsuccessful as it wasn't anticipated early enough that the top of the buses would often come into contact with the city's overhead traffic lights. Back into Paris one of the first things I noticed about their tour buses is that theirs appeared to be electric as I didn't hear the engine during our recent tour there. This is bearing in mind I wasn't focused on the bus the entire time as it was my first time back in Paris since the 70s. [1] ‐ similar to the old DMSs
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Post by snowman on May 1, 2022 9:02:02 GMT
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