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Post by snoggle on Aug 5, 2017 16:09:58 GMT
The journey time measurement is something I wanted to see a long time ago. However, what did they use to determine that in 16/17 106 minutes of saving was made through the bus priority in that year? TfL already publish the average speed for each bus service. tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/buses-performance-data#on-this-page-4I believe they use I-Bus data for the calculation. I expect they will also use I-Bus data for the peak journey time metric. As I-Bus should capture stop to stop running times it is possible to evaluate the pre and post implementation run times between stops where bus priority measures have been introduced. |
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Post by ibus246 on Aug 6, 2017 20:21:37 GMT
The journey time measurement is something I wanted to see a long time ago. However, what did they use to determine that in 16/17 106 minutes of saving was made through the bus priority in that year? TfL already publish the average speed for each bus service. tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/buses-performance-data#on-this-page-4I believe they use I-Bus data for the calculation. I expect they will also use I-Bus data for the peak journey time metric. As I-Bus should capture stop to stop running times it is possible to evaluate the pre and post implementation run times between stops where bus priority measures have been introduced. Quick scan shows the 636 and 637 being the "quickest" routes in terms of avg speed in mph - in the 20s. N33, N34, N119 and N213 appear to be the quickest night and believe it or not the 246 seems to be the quickest day followed closely by the 464 and 375 |
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Post by Paul on Aug 7, 2017 8:32:34 GMT
TfL already publish the average speed for each bus service. tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/buses-performance-data#on-this-page-4I believe they use I-Bus data for the calculation. I expect they will also use I-Bus data for the peak journey time metric. As I-Bus should capture stop to stop running times it is possible to evaluate the pre and post implementation run times between stops where bus priority measures have been introduced. Quick scan shows the 636 and 637 being the "quickest" routes in terms of avg speed in mph - in the 20s. N33, N34, N119 and N213 appear to be the quickest night and believe it or not the 246 seems to be the quickest day followed closely by the 464 and 375 No surprise at the 636 and 637 being 'quickest' since the majority of the route is non stop along the A20! Not surprised at the 246 either. It's not unusual to not stop between Keston Village and Biggin Hill and that's a 30 mph into 40mph zone. Miss driving the 246  |
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Post by snowman on Aug 11, 2017 6:09:15 GMT
content.tfl.gov.uk/network-performance-latest-quarter.pdfNot quite sure what to say without sounding controversial. Scheduled is only 98.1% of same quarter last year (so planned to loose 1.9% in a year) But less km is being lost, so km actually operated only fell 1.0% Average expected waiting time is higher (due to the frequency cuts), but actual average waiting times are down (presumably better regulation), or effect of planned cutting (route shortening) the badly delayed bits, so less long waits.
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Post by snowman on Sept 11, 2017 14:53:14 GMT
Just checked, no agenda and papers yet for TfL Board meeting on 19th. Should be uploaded by tomorrow evening on TfL website
Should give a clue to direction TfL are going as hasn't been many committees so whats on agenda may hint at priorities
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Post by snoggle on Sept 12, 2017 9:47:25 GMT
Just checked, no agenda and papers yet for TfL Board meeting on 19th. Should be uploaded by tomorrow evening on TfL website Should give a clue to direction TfL are going as hasn't been many committees so whats on agenda may hint at priorities Just had a look - not much at all other than catching up on papers that had been to lower committees but not yet reached the Board. Given we in Period 5 or 6 I fail to see the point of the Board reviewing the Finance Report for Period 2. Old news, dead and buried, overtaken by events. What a waste of Board Member's time! Ditto reviewing the Q4 Ops and Customer Service report from last year. Surely the Q1 should be being reviewed? I know the election knocked things sideways but having a whole slew of committee meetings *after* a Board is the wrong way round. This is a suitably sycophantic paper about TfL's response to the Draft Transport Strategy and how it's all wonderful. Given people in TfL write the d*mn thing anyway what's the point of TfL reviewing a document they write and they have to implement anyway? |
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Post by snowman on Oct 6, 2017 8:05:40 GMT
Programmes and Investment agenda Looks like there is new trains for Overground Update on transforming Oxford Street (includes timescales) by early 2018 expect 76 buses per hour (129 at start of 2017) on Oxford Street West. Section 7.2 has strategy for removing remaining routes. An air quality update which includes upgrading buses (but most of the detail is in the exempt part 2 which is used when commercially sensitive financial details exist) Plenty of other items on the agenda
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Post by rugbyref on Oct 6, 2017 16:20:21 GMT
Interesting that most of the green corridors have had their dates pushed forward - only Putney & Brixton were to be done before 2019 but now all but two are to be implemented before 2019. I assume the Mayor wants at least 1-1½ years worth of post implementation data from a number of schemes before seeking re-election in May 2020. Do we really have to wait until 2020 to vote out this pathetic excuse for a mayor? If we are looking for quick and easy ways of cutting delays, here is a no brainer. At Orpington War Memorial there is a zebra crossing 5 yards into Orpington High Street. Ditch that crossing and use the raised (currently unofficial) crossing 75 yards into the High Street. This would stop traffic queuing on the roundabout, allow buses to reach the bus stop, and have a positive impact on routes 51,61, 208,353,358,431,477,B14,R1,R2,R3,R4,R5,R6,R7,R8,R9,R10,R11. |
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Post by sid on Oct 6, 2017 16:27:41 GMT
If we are looking for quick and easy ways of cutting delays, here is a no brainer. At Orpington War Memorial there is a zebra crossing 5 yards into Orpington High Street. Ditch that crossing and use the raised (currently unofficial) crossing 75 yards into the High Street. This would stop traffic queuing on the roundabout, allow buses to reach the bus stop, and have a positive impact on routes 51,61, 208,353,358,431,477,B14,R1,R2,R3,R4,R5,R6,R7,R8,R9,R10,R11. People aren't going to walk 75 yards to cross the road and then 75 yards back. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 6, 2017 16:37:26 GMT
If we are looking for quick and easy ways of cutting delays, here is a no brainer. At Orpington War Memorial there is a zebra crossing 5 yards into Orpington High Street. Ditch that crossing and use the raised (currently unofficial) crossing 75 yards into the High Street. This would stop traffic queuing on the roundabout, allow buses to reach the bus stop, and have a positive impact on routes 51,61, 208,353,358,431,477,B14,R1,R2,R3,R4,R5,R6,R7,R8,R9,R10,R11. People aren't going to walk 75 yards to cross the road and then 75 yards back. People don't even do that for 20 yards so 75 yards is out of the question  You only need to go to Barking Station to prove this, at any time of day. Station Parade has two crossings on either side of the station and one on the entrance to Cambridge Road but what most people do (and me to be fair) is walk out of the station then cross right in front of the station. I admire drivers who manage to get buses through that place. |
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Post by john on Oct 6, 2017 19:03:10 GMT
People aren't going to walk 75 yards to cross the road and then 75 yards back. People don't even do that for 20 yards so 75 yards is out of the question You only need to go to Barking Station to prove this, at any time of day. Station Parade has two crossings on either side of the station and one on the entrance to Cambridge Road but what most people do (and me to be fair) is walk out of the station then cross right in front of the station. I admire drivers who manage to get buses through that place. Easy way of dealing with Barking.....give zero f**ks and use the size to your advantage 😂😂😂 tbh that is the worst part of Barking, well the double crossing on the bend. Personally I'd make that traffic light controlled. Would make life a lot easier |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 6, 2017 20:23:30 GMT
If we are looking for quick and easy ways of cutting delays, here is a no brainer. At Orpington War Memorial there is a zebra crossing 5 yards into Orpington High Street. Ditch that crossing and use the raised (currently unofficial) crossing 75 yards into the High Street. This would stop traffic queuing on the roundabout, allow buses to reach the bus stop, and have a positive impact on routes 51,61, 208,353,358,431,477,B14,R1,R2,R3,R4,R5,R6,R7,R8,R9,R10,R11. People aren't going to walk 75 yards to cross the road and then 75 yards back. Most actually would do that leaving a small group to cross where ever they please. However, instead you could simply turn the zebra crossing into a signalised one and removed the signalised one that’s 75 yards away - there are far too many traffic lights in London anyway. |
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Post by snowman on Oct 10, 2017 20:43:35 GMT
tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/finance-committeeFinance committee agenda with reports Item 5 is the finance report for upto period 5 Per page 26 bus fares income is above budget (but although not stated is lot lower than last couple of years), but bus costs £3 more than budget (per page 27) Page 30 has a very odd statistic, 112 of the 786 bus staff left in period 5 The buses finance is page 35, have managed to lose £287,000,000 in 5 periods (20 weeks) so is losing over £2m per day, the loss in period 5 was £60m which is worst than budget (and higher than average loss for periods 1-4) Page 38 has fares income and journeys, the fares income is lower increase than journeys so fares yield is falling on the buses, i.e. Fares went down an average 0.1 pence (presumably more free journeys)
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Post by snoggle on Oct 10, 2017 21:45:47 GMT
I watched the recent Assembly Budget Cttee meeting webcast earlier. A lot of the debate was about capital projects on the Underground but buses did feature in the discussion. A few highlights, not all of which are new. - seems the key factor determining passenger growth is not wait time at the stop. It is now journey time on the vehicle which is the determining factor. This is put down to the wider use of online info about bus arrivals. People can now minimise their wait times at stops so it has less influence on the decision to travel. This is presumably why TfL are now more confident about trimming frequencies. - Apparently TfL believe that patronage on all modes that it operates will fall this year. This is because several economic indicators are softening (they track the measures the GLA use) to lower levels than assumed in the Business Plan. Expect the next business plan due in December to reflect this softening. - TfL said they had saved £61m on bus contract costs so far this year. This was quoted by the "Director of Transformation" Andrew Pollins [1]. When challenged by Sian Berry AM as to whether this had affected services to passengers he said it hadn't. I can't believe that is true given the scale of cuts happening across London. Shows Mr Pollins doesn't know his numbers or what's going on with the bus network. - When pressed on bus revenue levels this year the chief Finance bloke said as at Period 4 they were £10m ahead. I find this is a little hard to believe given the generally flat level of patronage and no upward pressure on bus revenue. It also rather goes against what Snowman has just reported in the previous post about Period 5's numbers. - It looks like TfL are struggling to deliver a meaningful, workable and affordable implementation of "Healthy Streets" as per the draft Transport Strategy. There was a distinct level of hestitation and lack of clarity about what it meant in practice. Costs were also far from clear. However as it's a "headline" in the strategy they clearly feel compelled to deliver it despite the endless contradictions about trying to provide bus priority *and* cycle lanes *and* wider pavements *and* space for trees and seating. Anyone can see that in post London streets a lot of that is impossible to deliver without compromising some aspects - most likely provision for road traffic incl buses. Quite how you get a lot of bus priority done is unclear to me within this wider agenda. - A new business plan is due in Dec 2017. Don't expect it to be a "happy read" as it is clear that TfL are analysing and reviewing everything and that some "crunches" are due if revenues are down and costs on some projects are rising. The TfL reps in the meeting were trying to be as upbeat as possible but clearly the older Assembly Members have seen it all before. Dear old Len Duvall did his own version of my old trick of "can I ask a stupid question?" [2]. Len didn't quite make it to "pick the wings off a fly" mode as he kept pressing on certain issues but it was fun to watch. Clearly an old hand at this sort of thing.  [1] not someone I was impressed with during my time at TfL. [2] colleagues used to grin when I did this to someone new as they knew my "stupid question" was anything but and was likely to cause agony for the person answering. Those were the days.   |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 0:18:50 GMT
Does anyone know where I can find the report which states that no more new diesel buses will be ordered?
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You only need to go to Barking Station to prove this, at any time of day. Station Parade has two crossings on either side of the station and one on the entrance to Cambridge Road but what most people do (and me to be fair) is walk out of the station then cross right in front of the station. I admire drivers who manage to get buses through that place.
