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Post by planesandtrains on Jul 6, 2017 14:14:12 GMT
You could cut back the K2 to Cromwell Road to allow room for the route. And that would bring on the howls of anguish from those on the K2 route who would lose their hospital access. Buses to hospitals are *always* in addition to existing services, never a subsititute.   Come on Forum members - remember that the destination blind of every bus route in London should have the world "Hospital" on the front.  You know, how about extend the 267 to Kingston Hospital going into the forecourt of Teddington Memorial Hospital. Maybe do the same with the 285, and have all buses serving Kingston Road double running Kingston Hospital, just to make sure that every house in SW London has a link to a hospital.  X26 probably also needs a double run into Kingston Hospital, or how about just relocate Cromwell Road bus station to Kingston Hospital Night buses as well, 24 hour acess required. Playing with a bit of conspiracy Maybe this is a plan to replace Ambulances. Heart Attack? Get the 5. Collapsed Lung? That is the S3 for you, oh no Sutton Hospital is gone!  |
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Post by busman on Jul 6, 2017 17:32:26 GMT
And that would bring on the howls of anguish from those on the K2 route who would lose their hospital access. Buses to hospitals are *always* in addition to existing services, never a subsititute. Come on Forum members - remember that the destination blind of every bus route in London should have the world "Hospital" on the front. You know, how about extend the 267 to Kingston Hospital going into the forecourt of Teddington Memorial Hospital. Maybe do the same with the 285, and have all buses serving Kingston Road double running Kingston Hospital, just to make sure that every house in SW London has a link to a hospital. X26 probably also needs a double run into Kingston Hospital, or how about just relocate Cromwell Road bus station to Kingston Hospital Night buses as well, 24 hour acess required. Playing with a bit of conspiracy Maybe this is a plan to replace Ambulances. Heart Attack? Get the 5. Collapsed Lung? That is the S3 for you, oh no Sutton Hospital is gone! Oh and how about having the 195, 207, 427 and 607 stop within Ealing Hospital grounds 😜 (who remembers when the 207 actually used to do that on Sundays for a short while in the late 80's or early 90's?). On a more serious note, diverting the E8 via Twickenham Road to serve West Middlesex Hospital and Amhurst Gardens could be revisited as part of this initiative. I think there is a legitimate case to be made for looking at local transport links into hospitals as hospital departments have been closed and some facilities are now shared between whole boroughs. Hospital patient catchment areas have increased in the last few years. I know people who have to drive or take taxi to hospital appointments because no easy bus journey exists. Links between West London hospitals in particular are not great. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 6, 2017 17:54:22 GMT
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Post by john on Jul 6, 2017 18:17:13 GMT
That link about the "Lodge Avenue/Becontree" link is interesting...maybe an extension of the 368?? |
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 6, 2017 18:37:58 GMT
I dont think the Mayor or TfL are going to not go ahead with the 5 rerouting, especially after this paper. Would not be surprised if the results come out and suddenly it goes ahead. If they are clever they would do it after the meeting and a few other newspaper headlines. |
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Post by ian on Jul 6, 2017 18:37:59 GMT
A bit disappointing (other than to see Mr Dismore's reaction, obviously ) that links from Barnet to the south and west are only third tier. I do think this has been a bit of an issue. The 107 takes ages to get to Edgware and even then doesn't serve Burnt Oak or Mill Hill nor the Edgware Community Hospital site itself from where services were transferred. there is a more generalised need for a better connection across those kinds of areas in addition to the specific needs of the hospital. Another example of this madness was the rebuilding of Finchley memorial Hospital - done in such a way as to make the main entrance far too far away from roads served by bus. result - calls for a complicated 382 diversion which have dribbled on for years and will go precisely nowhere. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jul 6, 2017 19:05:03 GMT
Regarding links to local hospitals - both Newham and Whipps Cross are SO fun to get to from Forest Gate, just…  But nah, not even a Leytonstone link for us let alone something more, whilst for Newham it's best to get to Stratford then a 276 a taxi…… I know cause we needed these hospitals in the past and never used public transport in result of the poor links! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 19:32:48 GMT
Not sure if the roads through Newham Hospital can take double deckers but a new link could be created by diverting the 147 through the hospital but would lose a fairly large chunk from Prince Regent to Upton Park but might cut down on delays from traffic at Greengate Plaistow.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 6, 2017 19:44:57 GMT
Not sure if the roads through Newham Hospital can take double deckers but a new link could be created by diverting the 147 through the hospital but would lose a fairly large chunk from Prince Regent to Upton Park but might cut down on delays from traffic at Greengate Plaistow. What's interesting is that the recent South Newham network review made no specific changes to how Newham General was served. Either TfL ignored it and concentrated on the Crossrail / development issues or else they felt there were no strong pressures for change to the hospital serving routes. |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 13, 2017 19:14:11 GMT
Well this is an interesting find. This Mayoral Press release is about the review of bus service access to hospitals. www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/bold-vision-to-boost-bus-services-to-hospitalsThe interesting thing is that it actually commits TfL to extending a number of services including the 5 to Queens Hospital, the 470 to Epsom Hospital, 96 to Darent Valley Hospital in the next year. Other proposals are also being pursued. Have to say I'm somewhat surprised. |
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Jul 13, 2017 21:07:09 GMT
Well this is an interesting find. This Mayoral Press release is about the review of bus service access to hospitals. www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/bold-vision-to-boost-bus-services-to-hospitalsThe interesting thing is that it actually commits TfL to extending a number of services including the 5 to Queens Hospital, the 470 to Epsom Hospital, 96 to Darent Valley Hospital in the next year. Other proposals are also being pursued. Have to say I'm somewhat surprised. I wonder how they will connect North Middlesex Hospital to Winchmore Hill and Enfield 🤔🤔 New Route or re-route an existing one? |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 14, 2017 0:25:55 GMT
Well this is an interesting find. This Mayoral Press release is about the review of bus service access to hospitals. www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/bold-vision-to-boost-bus-services-to-hospitalsThe interesting thing is that it actually commits TfL to extending a number of services including the 5 to Queens Hospital, the 470 to Epsom Hospital, 96 to Darent Valley Hospital in the next year. Other proposals are also being pursued. Have to say I'm somewhat surprised. I wonder how they will connect North Middlesex Hospital to Winchmore Hill and Enfield 🤔🤔 New Route or re-route an existing one? Subject to stand space you could extend the W6 on from Edmonton Green or more bizarrely send it in a loop off Silver Street and back to line of route to do the Winchmore Hill link. Neither would be especially cheap tho. Linking Enfield is more difficult given the 349 doesn't reach Enfield Town to give a connection with the 491. It would be too cumbersome to reroute the 231 via the hospital. Unfortunately the W8 doesn't really cover Winchmore Hill very well otherwise it could be diverted to N Midx Hospital and the W6 extended to Picketts Lock - swap over of end of routes. IIRC there was some sort of linking route proposed by Enfield Council in their mad caps schemes from a few years ago. A half hourly midibus route with limited hours (no early mornings or late evenings) might do the trick but it would still be quite a financial burden as new routes don't come cheap. You could extend the W10 over the W9 to Winchmore Hill Station Road, the 329 and then down the W6 to the Cambridge Roundabout and then whichever way is best to reach the hospital. You run the Crews Hill journeys as projections off the end of the route (contrary to TfL preference I know). I can't see that extending the 318 northwards would work as it already struggles on its existing route. |
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Post by ben on Jul 14, 2017 3:06:04 GMT
Interesting comments about Hillingdon Hospital contained, with the aspiration to provide direct links to Southall and Ealing hospital. To me this rather suggests a diversion of an existing route, of which there are currently 3 nearby, instead of a new route, because the distances involved are quite long.
The choices are:
Extend the 195 from Charvill Lane down Pole Hill, Lees Road, and Pield Heath. Covers Southall well but very very long, and indirect. Possible stand space issue.
Divert the 607 along Lees Road, Pield Heath, and Kingston Lane. Doesn't cover Southall as well as 195, but direct.
Divert 427 along same. Impacts connectivity along Hillingdon Hill, likely to be cut away from Ealing Hospital to Southall, potential extension onto Havelock Estate. Would require further extension via Toplocks, Gade Lane, and the Great Western inductrial estate. In itself this might be useful for a route, but a high frequency decker would be difficult to pass along Gade Lane, and likely overkill for the other areas.
From this I postulate the most likely, barring something totally off the wall, is a 607 diversion.
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Post by M1199 on Jul 14, 2017 6:11:25 GMT
Interesting comments about Hillingdon Hospital contained, with the aspiration to provide direct links to Southall and Ealing hospital. To me this rather suggests a diversion of an existing route, of which there are currently 3 nearby, instead of a new route, because the distances involved are quite long. The choices are: Extend the 195 from Charvill Lane down Pole Hill, Lees Road, and Pield Heath. Covers Southall well but very very long, and indirect. Possible stand space issue. Divert the 607 along Lees Road, Pield Heath, and Kingston Lane. Doesn't cover Southall as well as 195, but direct. Divert 427 along same. Impacts connectivity along Hillingdon Hill, likely to be cut away from Ealing Hospital to Southall, potential extension onto Havelock Estate. Would require further extension via Toplocks, Gade Lane, and the Great Western inductrial estate. In itself this might be useful for a route, but a high frequency decker would be difficult to pass along Gade Lane, and likely overkill for the other areas. From this I postulate the most likely, barring something totally off the wall, is a 607 diversion. Or just extend the U7 along the Uxbridge Road to Ealing Hospital, which was my first thought. I'd leave the 195 and the others as it is, since the195 was extended to Brentford, it is quite a long, wavy route, which I find isn't all that reliable. |
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 14, 2017 6:56:43 GMT
Interesting comments about Hillingdon Hospital contained, with the aspiration to provide direct links to Southall and Ealing hospital. To me this rather suggests a diversion of an existing route, of which there are currently 3 nearby, instead of a new route, because the distances involved are quite long. The choices are: Extend the 195 from Charvill Lane down Pole Hill, Lees Road, and Pield Heath. Covers Southall well but very very long, and indirect. Possible stand space issue. Divert the 607 along Lees Road, Pield Heath, and Kingston Lane. Doesn't cover Southall as well as 195, but direct. Divert 427 along same. Impacts connectivity along Hillingdon Hill, likely to be cut away from Ealing Hospital to Southall, potential extension onto Havelock Estate. Would require further extension via Toplocks, Gade Lane, and the Great Western inductrial estate. In itself this might be useful for a route, but a high frequency decker would be difficult to pass along Gade Lane, and likely overkill for the other areas. From this I postulate the most likely, barring something totally off the wall, is a 607 diversion. I think they should in conjunction with the cross rail consultation, do a new route from uxbridge to Ealing hospital via Hillingdon hospital, which would fill in the gap left by the chopped up 427 |
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X26 probably also needs a double run into Kingston Hospital, or how about just relocate Cromwell Road bus station to Kingston Hospital 
