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Post by WH241 on May 21, 2022 12:57:02 GMT
Off on my adventures! First the 474 hardly anyone onboard. People are now boarding the bus and heading towards City Airport which is very positive for a brand new link.
Edit a few enthusiasts onboard.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 13:01:40 GMT
Told you something like this would happen. Drivers may get driver training but it might not be easy for them to remember. Can you blame them when routes haven't changed since the 90s? It's second nature to the drivers here, so would take a lot of conscious thinking to get out of that mindset. That said, I did see diversion boards up around Keir Hardie Estate for the 474 last night. Precautions like these won't stop drivers going down the wrong way, as you have eluded to earlier. I'm not blaming the drivers at all. I'm saying that there was a chance this would've happened with all these changes taking place. I said this 2 weeks ago.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 21, 2022 13:03:38 GMT
Surprised its just popped into your head when it's been mentioned on here multiple times over the past year. I an guessing things are managing okay at Beckton as I am sure it would have been reported here straightaway otherwise π Just standing here now and wish I could agree with you but it's total chaos, people are being deboarded in the middle of the road and there's no space at all. One 101 has done 3 circles of the bus station and is still going.
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Post by WH241 on May 21, 2022 13:06:39 GMT
I an guessing things are managing okay at Beckton as I am sure it would have been reported here straightaway otherwise π Just standing here now and wish I could agree with you but it's total chaos, people are being deboarded in the middle of the road and there's no space at all. One 101 has done 3 circles of the bus station and is still going. Thanks for confirming. I do think they will need to review the changes after a few months. Trying to be positive but at the same think things are a mess with the whole south Newham changes.
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Post by busoccultation on May 21, 2022 13:21:51 GMT
I an guessing things are managing okay at Beckton as I am sure it would have been reported here straightaway otherwise π Just standing here now and wish I could agree with you but it's total chaos, people are being deboarded in the middle of the road and there's no space at all. One 101 has done 3 circles of the bus station and is still going. Passed there around 11 with Go-Ahead parking two not in service buses on the stand at the time including SE48 parked on the 173 stand and their drivers on the 101, 104 & 376 having their meal reliefs aren't helping things either.
The 474 is now using WH471+ running numbers from today instead of WH301+ numbers.
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Post by WH241 on May 21, 2022 13:21:58 GMT
Gaps on the 304 my bus is going to be going to East Ham Central Park.
Noticed a few passengers walking from Freemasons Road to continue journeys to Canning Town.
Is Lonsdale Avenue always a nightmare to get out of? That junction is awful even with the box junction! Buses find it tight to turn left with cars heading towards the A13.
Edit: my bus terminated at Central Park and the driver has left the bus with its doors open and gone π€£
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Post by enviroPB on May 21, 2022 14:12:35 GMT
I an guessing things are managing okay at Beckton as I am sure it would have been reported here straightaway otherwise π Just standing here now and wish I could agree with you but it's total chaos, people are being deboarded in the middle of the road and there's no space at all. One 101 has done 3 circles of the bus station and is still going. Have you spotted yet that the 104 departs from stop C with the 262 and 300, not at stop D with the other northbound Woolwich Manor Way routes? I'm sure that won't be confusing at all for passengers at Beckton bus station today!
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Post by enviroPB on May 21, 2022 14:25:25 GMT
Gaps on the 304 my bus is going to be going to East Ham Central Park. Noticed a few passengers walking from Freemasons Road to continue journeys to Canning Town. Is Lonsdale Avenue always a nightmare to get out of? That junction is awful even with the box junction! Buses find it tight to turn left with cars heading towards the A13. Edit: my bus terminated at Central Park and the driver has left the bus with its doors open and gone π€£ Yes, Lonsdale Road onto High Street North is a known bottleneck for the 104 and now the 304. It's rather amusing that the 304 will have more traffic hotspots than the 104 in its truncated form now. Once past the A13, Beckton isn't a nightmare so long as the A13 is fine. I digress but the 104 has struggled to turn left from Lonsdale for years, the yellow box only introduced to facilitate the rerouted 104 to Beckton. Two routes turning from Lonsdale Avenue in either direction of the High Street will also be interesting for how it may slow traffic there further. One thing I find disastrous is Straford bound 104s don't serve Lonsdale Avenue directly, they must use Greatfield Avenue first. That left turn from the High Street by the 104 could hinder traffic flows in slow moving traffic.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 21, 2022 16:23:03 GMT
Just standing here now and wish I could agree with you but it's total chaos, people are being deboarded in the middle of the road and there's no space at all. One 101 has done 3 circles of the bus station and is still going. Have you spotted yet that the 104 departs from stop C with the 262 and 300, not at stop D with the other northbound Woolwich Manor Way routes? I'm sure that won't be confusing at all for passengers at Beckton bus station today! Yep, noticed it while I was at Beckton. I can see where the flawed logic seems to have come from, the 104 doesn't spend too long on East Ham Manor Way and someone at TfL towers who probably doesn't quite get the travel patterns must have seen that's where the 262 stops towards Stratford so has also dumped the 104 there. Although there are many people who do live right by the tip of the A13 in the Beckton Alps area who now have their buses spread across two different stops. Completely absurd.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 21, 2022 16:26:03 GMT
Just standing here now and wish I could agree with you but it's total chaos, people are being deboarded in the middle of the road and there's no space at all. One 101 has done 3 circles of the bus station and is still going. Passed there around 11 with Go-Ahead parking two not in service buses on the stand at the time including SE48 parked on the 173 stand and their drivers on the 101, 104 & 376 having their meal reliefs aren't helping things either.
The 474 is now using WH471+ running numbers from today instead of WH301+ numbers.
Interestingly I did observe the 101s specifically kept on avoiding the 173 stand despite the stand is positioned so that the first stop can still be served. I was under the impression previously the 173 stand was just by designated by default because it's impossible for the other routes to serve their stops if stood there, but the fact the 101s kept avoiding it today suggests they may be under instruction to not stand there. Should the 101 use the 173 stand when possible it may help things at least on Saturday, although I'm not too sure how it will go down when there's 3 173s that require stand time.
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Post by WH241 on May 21, 2022 16:27:50 GMT
Gaps on the 304 my bus is going to be going to East Ham Central Park. Noticed a few passengers walking from Freemasons Road to continue journeys to Canning Town. Is Lonsdale Avenue always a nightmare to get out of? That junction is awful even with the box junction! Buses find it tight to turn left with cars heading towards the A13. Edit: my bus terminated at Central Park and the driver has left the bus with its doors open and gone π€£ Yes, Lonsdale Road onto High Street North is a known bottleneck for the 104 and now the 304. It's rather amusing that the 304 will have more traffic hotspots than the 104 in its truncated form now. Once past the A13, Beckton isn't a nightmare so long as the A13 is fine. I digress but the 104 has struggled to turn left from Lonsdale for years, the yellow box only introduced to facilitate the rerouted 104 to Beckton. Two routes turning from Lonsdale Avenue in either direction of the High Street will also be interesting for how it may slow traffic there further. One thing I find disastrous is Straford bound 104s don't serve Lonsdale Avenue directly, they must use Greatfield Avenue first. That left turn from the High Street by the 104 could hinder traffic flows in slow moving traffic. Not local to the 104 did it not used to use Greatfield Avenue from Manor Park before the changes? Do you get much traffic head towards East Ham? Always found it worse towards the A13.
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Post by WH241 on May 21, 2022 16:35:21 GMT
The 474 is struggling a little bit today with buses not really running to time. Also noticed itβs not really being used from Canning Town towards Freemasons Road, I think passengers are probably a bit confused by the Manor Park destination! Towards Canning Town seems to have better usage. As posted earlier spotted passengers walking from Freemasons to make onward journeys on the 474.
The same with the 304 it seems to suffering from congestion in the East Ham area. Must say itβs a great little route and very quick from Custom House to Lonsdale Avenue. Got lots of bemused looks and never picked up many passengers but sure that will change once people get used to the changes.
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Post by vjaska on May 21, 2022 16:42:52 GMT
I an guessing things are managing okay at Beckton as I am sure it would have been reported here straightaway otherwise π Just standing here now and wish I could agree with you but it's total chaos, people are being deboarded in the middle of the road and there's no space at all. One 101 has done 3 circles of the bus station and is still going. Would it not be worth moving something to Cyprus?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 21, 2022 16:48:04 GMT
Just standing here now and wish I could agree with you but it's total chaos, people are being deboarded in the middle of the road and there's no space at all. One 101 has done 3 circles of the bus station and is still going. Would it not be worth moving something to Cyprus? Unfortunately that can't be done, Cyprus can only be turned around at by buses coming from the South.
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Post by enviroPB on May 21, 2022 18:13:56 GMT
Yes, Lonsdale Road onto High Street North is a known bottleneck for the 104 and now the 304. It's rather amusing that the 304 will have more traffic hotspots than the 104 in its truncated form now. Once past the A13, Beckton isn't a nightmare so long as the A13 is fine. I digress but the 104 has struggled to turn left from Lonsdale for years, the yellow box only introduced to facilitate the rerouted 104 to Beckton. Two routes turning from Lonsdale Avenue in either direction of the High Street will also be interesting for how it may slow traffic there further. One thing I find disastrous is Straford bound 104s don't serve Lonsdale Avenue directly, they must use Greatfield Avenue first. That left turn from the High Street by the 104 could hinder traffic flows in slow moving traffic. Not local to the 104 did it not used to use Greatfield Avenue from Manor Park before the changes? Do you get much traffic head towards East Ham? Always found it worse towards the A13. Yes the 104 used to use Greatfield Avenue coming from Manor Park. My quandary is the 104 now turning left from High Street North, which will cause more disruption turning than before.
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