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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 21, 2022 17:14:47 GMT
TfL are aiming for the 241 to be extended by the summer. Completely agree with the 330 points. It should go to City Airport or at least to the Connaught Bridge stops and turn at the roundabout I hope to be proven wrong but do wonder if the 241 extension will be successful. Even if it is well used, I don't think there will be enough demand for a DD service - the 325 might have been more suitable (instead of the Royal Albert extension). Or maybe just continue the 330 to Custom House, which I think was an idea in one of the network development papers. Does there have to be a bus service within the Royal Wharf development? And in any case, I think the 241 should have been left alone to maintain the Stratford link from Kier Hardie Estate. However, I'm not sure there will be a lot of demand for a bus service from Royal Wharf and Pontoon Dock to the Elizabeth Line - which is the main purpose of the extension. Some passengers will choose to walk over the footbridge to Custom House Station. There's also the option to take the DLR to Poplar, for interchange to the crossrail station at Canary Wharf.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 21, 2022 19:08:33 GMT
I hope to be proven wrong but do wonder if the 241 extension will be successful. Even if it is well used, I don't think there will be enough demand for a DD service - the 325 might have been more suitable (instead of the Royal Albert extension). Or maybe just continue the 330 to Custom House, which I think was an idea in one of the network development papers. Does there have to be a bus service within the Royal Wharf development? And in any case, I think the 241 should have been left alone to maintain the Stratford link from Kier Hardie Estate. However, I'm not sure there will be a lot of demand for a bus service from Royal Wharf and Pontoon Dock to the Elizabeth Line - which is the main purpose of the extension. Some passengers will choose to walk over the footbridge to Custom House Station. There's also the option to take the DLR to Poplar, for interchange to the crossrail station at Canary Wharf. The 241 could possibly be useful at school times linking Silvertown to Royal Dock Academy and local Primary Schools
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 5, 2022 11:59:50 GMT
I hope to be proven wrong but do wonder if the 241 extension will be successful. Even if it is well used, I don't think there will be enough demand for a DD service - the 325 might have been more suitable ( instead of the Royal Albert extension). Or maybe just continue the 330 to Custom House, which I think was an idea in one of the network development papers. Does there have to be a bus service within the Royal Wharf development? And in any case, I think the 241 should have been left alone to maintain the Stratford link from Kier Hardie Estate. However, I'm not sure there will be a lot of demand for a bus service from Royal Wharf and Pontoon Dock to the Elizabeth Line - which is the main purpose of the extension. Some passengers will choose to walk over the footbridge to Custom House Station. There's also the option to take the DLR to Poplar, for interchange to the crossrail station at Canary Wharf. In reverse order: -it takes 20 minutes to walk from Silvertown Way to Custom House station, subject to physical ability and whether Excel has closed off bits of the footbridge for one of its many events. It's a tiring walk not guaranteed to be fully accessible to all. -whats's interesting is that rush hour [passenger] traffic will be sent in different directions. The 241 from Royal Wharf will aid in not shipping everyone to the pinchpoint of Canning Town -Yes Royal Wharf needs a bus route. Part of the development can reach 1km from the Thames to Silvertown Way, way over TfL's target of homes being within 400m of a bus service -The 325's ABP extension is needed for reasons of accessibility to bus services as previously mentioned. There's also the leisure options of the extension; posh Joseph & Jennifer Public from Royal Wharf are likely to spend more at places like Westfield. A direct bus home may be appreciated by them.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 5, 2022 12:06:29 GMT
Visited a friend in Gallions Reach last night, and was cursed with the unfortunate reality of waiting for the 366. This is the third time having to rely on the 366 post Crossrail changes where I've waited 30+ mins for the bus.
Previously with the 262 running to East Beckton, I could attempt to head there for a curtailed bus thus minimising the wait. Not anymore! Don't get me wrong, through gritted teeth the 101 changes have mostly been successful. It's just the 262 being curtailed to Gallions Reach that the 366's unreliability is felt more.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 5, 2022 13:33:48 GMT
Even if it is well used, I don't think there will be enough demand for a DD service - the 325 might have been more suitable (instead of the Royal Albert extension). Or maybe just continue the 330 to Custom House, which I think was an idea in one of the network development papers. Does there have to be a bus service within the Royal Wharf development? And in any case, I think the 241 should have been left alone to maintain the Stratford link from Kier Hardie Estate. However, I'm not sure there will be a lot of demand for a bus service from Royal Wharf and Pontoon Dock to the Elizabeth Line - which is the main purpose of the extension. Some passengers will choose to walk over the footbridge to Custom House Station. There's also the option to take the DLR to Poplar, for interchange to the crossrail station at Canary Wharf. The 241 could possibly be useful at school times linking Silvertown to Royal Dock Academy and local Primary Schools There is a significant amount of housing development near Pontoon Dock with more to come.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 5, 2022 15:02:12 GMT
Even if it is well used, I don't think there will be enough demand for a DD service - the 325 might have been more suitable ( instead of the Royal Albert extension). Or maybe just continue the 330 to Custom House, which I think was an idea in one of the network development papers. Does there have to be a bus service within the Royal Wharf development? And in any case, I think the 241 should have been left alone to maintain the Stratford link from Kier Hardie Estate. However, I'm not sure there will be a lot of demand for a bus service from Royal Wharf and Pontoon Dock to the Elizabeth Line - which is the main purpose of the extension. Some passengers will choose to walk over the footbridge to Custom House Station. There's also the option to take the DLR to Poplar, for interchange to the crossrail station at Canary Wharf. In reverse order: -it takes 20 minutes to walk from Silvertown Way to Custom House station, subject to physical ability and whether Excel has closed off bits of the footbridge for one of its many events. It's a tiring walk not guaranteed to be fully accessible to all. -whats's interesting is that rush hour [passenger] traffic will be sent in different directions. The 241 from Royal Wharf will aid in not shipping everyone to the pinchpoint of Canning Town -Yes Royal Wharf needs a bus route. Part of the development can reach 1km from the Thames to Silvertown Way, way over TfL's target of homes being within 400m of a bus service -The 325's ABP extension is needed for reasons of accessibility to bus services as previously mentioned. There's also the leisure options of the extension; posh Joseph & Jennifer Public from Royal Wharf are likely to spend more at places like Westfield. A direct bus home may be appreciated by them. I agree the footbridge isn't suitable for everyone, but some proportion will prefer to walk over it to get to Custom House, rather than paying a bus fare - so was questioning whether an SD route might be sufficient for the demand. However, if more developments are to come, then the 241's capacity is more justifiable. With the 325 extension, I think a better option might be to divert the 300 or 376 to serve the Royal Albert developments as a through route, also providing links to the east of the area. And while the 241 will provide a direct bus link to Stratford, there is already the faster DLR available, with most housing around Royal Wharf close by to either Pontoon Dock or West Silvertown. I think the Kier Hardie Estate, where the 241 used to serve, should be a higher priority for a bus to Stratford, as the estate is further from a train station. However, rather than undoing the 241's changes, being needed for the reasons you mention above - I would instead suggest a merger/restructure of the 473 and 474 could reinstate that link. A revised 474 would operate from Stratford via Plaistow Station, Balaam Street and Barking Road to Canning Town, then via the Kier Hardie Estate, Custom House, City Airport and North Woolwich, terminating at Beckton for reliability. This would also provide some relief for busy routes 69/276, while making cuts where the 473 has declined in usage, with the 262 also covering. The Manor Park end of the 474 may not need replacing, with the 101/304 available. The 101 could be increased in frequency if needed, or have a short extension as far as Gallions Reach DLR station.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 5, 2022 15:06:00 GMT
Visited a friend in Gallions Reach last night, and was cursed with the unfortunate reality of waiting for the 366. This is the third time having to rely on the 366 post Crossrail changes where I've waited 30+ mins for the bus. Previously with the 262 running to East Beckton, I could attempt to head there for a curtailed bus thus minimising the wait. Not anymore! Don't get me wrong, through gritted teeth the 101 changes have mostly been successful. It's just the 262 being curtailed to Gallions Reach that the 366's unreliability is felt more. That cannot be right, according to a certain member here, Stagecoach provide a sterling service; so surely that cannot be true.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 5, 2022 16:53:01 GMT
Visited a friend in Gallions Reach last night, and was cursed with the unfortunate reality of waiting for the 366. This is the third time having to rely on the 366 post Crossrail changes where I've waited 30+ mins for the bus. Previously with the 262 running to East Beckton, I could attempt to head there for a curtailed bus thus minimising the wait. Not anymore! Don't get me wrong, through gritted teeth the 101 changes have mostly been successful. It's just the 262 being curtailed to Gallions Reach that the 366's unreliability is felt more. That cannot be right, according to a certain member here, Stagecoach provide a sterling service; so surely that cannot be true. When have I mentioned the 366?
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Post by WH241 on Jul 5, 2022 17:03:50 GMT
In reverse order: -it takes 20 minutes to walk from Silvertown Way to Custom House station, subject to physical ability and whether Excel has closed off bits of the footbridge for one of its many events. It's a tiring walk not guaranteed to be fully accessible to all. -whats's interesting is that rush hour [passenger] traffic will be sent in different directions. The 241 from Royal Wharf will aid in not shipping everyone to the pinchpoint of Canning Town -Yes Royal Wharf needs a bus route. Part of the development can reach 1km from the Thames to Silvertown Way, way over TfL's target of homes being within 400m of a bus service -The 325's ABP extension is needed for reasons of accessibility to bus services as previously mentioned. There's also the leisure options of the extension; posh Joseph & Jennifer Public from Royal Wharf are likely to spend more at places like Westfield. A direct bus home may be appreciated by them. I agree the footbridge isn't suitable for everyone, but some proportion will prefer to walk over it to get to Custom House, rather than paying a bus fare - so was questioning whether an SD route might be sufficient for the demand. However, if more developments are to come, then the 241's capacity is more justifiable. With the 325 extension, I think a better option might be to divert the 300 or 376 to serve the Royal Albert developments as a through route, also providing links to the east of the area. And while the 241 will provide a direct bus link to Stratford, there is already the faster DLR available, with most housing around Royal Wharf close by to either Pontoon Dock or West Silvertown. I think the Kier Hardie Estate, where the 241 used to serve, should be a higher priority for a bus to Stratford, as the estate is further from a train station. However, rather than undoing the 241's changes, being needed for the reasons you mention above - I would instead suggest a merger/restructure of the 473 and 474 could reinstate that link. A revised 474 would operate from Stratford via Plaistow Station, Balaam Street and Barking Road to Canning Town, then via the Kier Hardie Estate, Custom House, City Airport and North Woolwich, terminating at Beckton for reliability. This would also provide some relief for busy routes 69/276, while making cuts where the 473 has declined in usage, with the 262 also covering. The Manor Park end of the 474 may not need replacing, with the 101/304 available. The 101 could be increased in frequency if needed, or have a short extension as far as Gallions Reach DLR station. The rerouted 474 to Stratford is not really going to help those on the Keir Hardie Estate as they wouldn’t want to go the long way via Barking Road and then via Plaistow station when they can just catch the direct 69 from Canning Town station. I really don’t like the recent east London changes but can’t see TfL doing a U turn on them.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 5, 2022 17:54:10 GMT
I agree the footbridge isn't suitable for everyone, but some proportion will prefer to walk over it to get to Custom House, rather than paying a bus fare - so was questioning whether an SD route might be sufficient for the demand. However, if more developments are to come, then the 241's capacity is more justifiable. With the 325 extension, I think a better option might be to divert the 300 or 376 to serve the Royal Albert developments as a through route, also providing links to the east of the area. And while the 241 will provide a direct bus link to Stratford, there is already the faster DLR available, with most housing around Royal Wharf close by to either Pontoon Dock or West Silvertown. I think the Kier Hardie Estate, where the 241 used to serve, should be a higher priority for a bus to Stratford, as the estate is further from a train station. However, rather than undoing the 241's changes, being needed for the reasons you mention above - I would instead suggest a merger/restructure of the 473 and 474 could reinstate that link. A revised 474 would operate from Stratford via Plaistow Station, Balaam Street and Barking Road to Canning Town, then via the Kier Hardie Estate, Custom House, City Airport and North Woolwich, terminating at Beckton for reliability. This would also provide some relief for busy routes 69/276, while making cuts where the 473 has declined in usage, with the 262 also covering. The Manor Park end of the 474 may not need replacing, with the 101/304 available. The 101 could be increased in frequency if needed, or have a short extension as far as Gallions Reach DLR station. The rerouted 474 to Stratford is not really going to help those on the Keir Hardie Estate as they wouldn’t want to go the long way via Barking Road and then via Plaistow station when they can just catch the direct 69 from Canning Town station. I really don’t like the recent east London changes but can’t see TfL doing a U turn on them. Thought of another simpler option - could extend the 69 from Canning Town to Custom House (or Prince Regent), providing a direct link through to Stratford. Then divert the 147 to operate directly along Barking Road between Canning Town and East Ham. This would provide a more direct link between Canning Town and Ilford. The 69 would offer a similar service level through the Kier Hardie Estate, while other routes such as the 304 cover links between Custom House and East Ham.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 6, 2022 14:49:31 GMT
In reverse order: -it takes 20 minutes to walk from Silvertown Way to Custom House station, subject to physical ability and whether Excel has closed off bits of the footbridge for one of its many events. It's a tiring walk not guaranteed to be fully accessible to all. -whats's interesting is that rush hour [passenger] traffic will be sent in different directions. The 241 from Royal Wharf will aid in not shipping everyone to the pinchpoint of Canning Town -Yes Royal Wharf needs a bus route. Part of the development can reach 1km from the Thames to Silvertown Way, way over TfL's target of homes being within 400m of a bus service -The 325's ABP extension is needed for reasons of accessibility to bus services as previously mentioned. There's also the leisure options of the extension; posh Joseph & Jennifer Public from Royal Wharf are likely to spend more at places like Westfield. A direct bus home may be appreciated by them. <snip to the reply bit> With the 325 extension, I think a better option might be to divert the 300 or 376 to serve the Royal Albert developments as a through route, also providing links to the east of the area. As per the South Newham development papers, it was proposed the 101 be sent to ABP in addition to the 325, via a new bus only road bridge at Beckton Park. But just like other bridges in the Beckton area, TfL decided not to go ahead with the idea. And despite the 101 extension forecasted to be the more lucrative for passengers in terms of usage, TfL decided the cheap (and only) option for ABP was to deck the 325 and send it there. The 104 was also touted to be sent to ABP via the new road bridge, alas with no bridge comes no extension.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 14, 2022 19:24:53 GMT
I have noticed the last few days 300s are running very early and pausing for long periods at stops. I noticed on the timetable buses have a very generous 10 min running time from Prince Regent Station to the A13 / Newham Way! I know schools are winding down so might be less passengers but 10 mins does seem excessive running time. Route 325 only has 9 mins to get further along to the Abbey Arms and the 241 has 12 mins! No idea why all different?
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 15, 2022 14:46:39 GMT
I have noticed the last few days 300s are running very early and pausing for long periods at stops. I noticed on the timetable buses have a very generous 10 min running time from Prince Regent Station to the A13 / Newham Way! I know schools are winding down so might be less passengers but 10 mins does seem excessive running time. Route 325 only has 9 mins to get further along to the Abbey Arms and the 241 has 12 mins! No idea why all different?
Three different operators is one factor.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 15, 2022 14:55:57 GMT
I have noticed the last few days 300s are running very early and pausing for long periods at stops. I noticed on the timetable buses have a very generous 10 min running time from Prince Regent Station to the A13 / Newham Way! I know schools are winding down so might be less passengers but 10 mins does seem excessive running time. Route 325 only has 9 mins to get further along to the Abbey Arms and the 241 has 12 mins! No idea why all different?
Three different operators is one factor. Yes but why should that affect running time? Padded timetables might be good for certain operators but not so good for the passengers sat in a GAL 300 as the other two passes pass the bus sat with the hazard lights on waiting for time to pass. Seems buses are run for the operators gains at the expense of the passengers.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 15, 2022 15:55:12 GMT
Walked around Beckton Park and Royal Wharf today- saw 2 474s in a row go over Connaught Bridge completely empty! Royal Wharf does seem like it has a bit of a buzz, good selection of amenities and a nice self-sufficient community feel. Couldn’t see any evidence of the 241 stand (even under construction)- maybe I wasn’t looking in the right place.
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