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Post by portman227 on Jul 28, 2022 13:51:31 GMT
I wouldn't rule out it being the December timetable change when the next stage of the Elizabeth Line is operational, though I thought it shouldn't be too much of an issue retiming trains east of the core as the Elizabeth Line trains are the only ones using the slow lines between Shenfield and London Liverpool Street There's a Paddington-Abbey Wood closure next weekend (30-31 July) followed by another planned closure for the weekend of 29/30 October. Whether these are for trial running ahead of a possible opening on Monday 31st October, I do not know. Would the Elizabeth line be running on Monday bank holiday aswell as it’s closed on the 30-31st?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 31, 2022 7:30:31 GMT
There's a Paddington-Abbey Wood closure next weekend (30-31 July) followed by another planned closure for the weekend of 29/30 October. Whether these are for trial running ahead of a possible opening on Monday 31st October, I do not know. Would the Elizabeth line be running on Monday bank holiday aswell as it’s closed on the 30-31st? I did see that it is running on August Bank Holiday, which is the 29th.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 1, 2022 19:01:44 GMT
Someone at TfL HQ still seems to be losing sleep over the stand situation at Beckton and has probably come up with the most silly solution to a point nobody could have even thought of it.
The solution of standing the 366 at the alighting point seems to have heavily backfired as the route can have 3 buses on stand at a time which means that if any route wants to alight its rear jolts out onto the road. Especially problematic when you have 10.9m BYD buses serving the same stop. As a result the 366 stand has now been moved to its first stop, with the alighting point now a stand for a single 104 bus.
Obvious issue here with the 366 standing at its first stop (Stop B), other routes that serve it heading south not can't serve it as all the space is taken up by standing 366s. The most ridiculous solution has been found to deal with all the other routes.
Route 262: Skips the bus station towards Gallions Reach, passengers pick up the bus at Stop H just outside the bus station Route 376: Stops at Stop D towards East Ham, the same stop as buses towards East Ham and Barking. Route 474: Stops at Stop C towards Canning Town, the same stop as buses towards Stratford and Prince Regent Route N551: Stops at Stop D towards Gallions Reach.
There's very slight justification as to why these were picked. The 376 stopping at D provides common stop with routes towards East Ham, as the 376 goes there. But I don't think anyone actually going East Ham from Beckton would dare step on that route unless they have more than an hour of nothing to do. The 474 stopping at Stop C provides common stops with the 300 towards Canning Town and Prince Regent, although both routes go completely different ways. Although the 262 and N551 have no logic at all behind them.
This obviously does mean that every single route that previously used Stop B now has a completely different stop. Not a single one shares which is just utterly absurd.
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Post by ronnie on Aug 1, 2022 19:06:11 GMT
Someone at TfL HQ still seems to be losing sleep over the stand situation at Beckton and has probably come up with the most silly solution to a point nobody could have even thought of it. The solution of standing the 366 at the alighting point seems to have heavily backfired as the route can have 3 buses on stand at a time which means that if any route wants to alight its rear jolts out onto the road. Especially problematic when you have 10.9m BYD buses serving the same stop. As a result the 366 stand has now been moved to its first stop, with the alighting point now a stand for a single 104 bus. Obvious issue here with the 366 standing at its first stop (Stop B), other routes that serve it heading south not can't serve it as all the space is taken up by standing 366s. The most ridiculous solution has been found to deal with all the other routes. Route 262: Skips the bus station towards Gallions Reach, passengers pick up the bus at Stop H just outside the bus station Route 376: Stops at Stop D towards East Ham, the same stop as buses towards East Ham and Barking. Route 474: Stops at Stop C towards Canning Town, the same stop as buses towards Stratford and Prince Regent Route N551: Stops at Stop D towards Gallions Reach. There's very slight justification as to why these were picked. The 376 stopping at D provides common stop with routes towards East Ham, as the 376 goes there. But I don't think anyone actually going East Ham from Beckton would dare step on that route unless they have more than an hour of nothing to do. The 474 stopping at Stop C provides common stops with the 300 towards Canning Town and Prince Regent, although both routes go completely different ways. Although the 262 and N551 have no logic at all behind them. This obviously does mean that every single route that previously used Stop B now has a completely different stop. Not a single one shares which is just utterly absurd. As they say: - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it - to save a penny, the pound was lost Maybe they should have kept the 101 the way it is! And the 262
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Post by WH241 on Aug 1, 2022 19:11:27 GMT
Someone at TfL HQ still seems to be losing sleep over the stand situation at Beckton and has probably come up with the most silly solution to a point nobody could have even thought of it. The solution of standing the 366 at the alighting point seems to have heavily backfired as the route can have 3 buses on stand at a time which means that if any route wants to alight its rear jolts out onto the road. Especially problematic when you have 10.9m BYD buses serving the same stop. As a result the 366 stand has now been moved to its first stop, with the alighting point now a stand for a single 104 bus. Obvious issue here with the 366 standing at its first stop (Stop B), other routes that serve it heading south not can't serve it as all the space is taken up by standing 366s. The most ridiculous solution has been found to deal with all the other routes. Route 262: Skips the bus station towards Gallions Reach, passengers pick up the bus at Stop H just outside the bus station Route 376: Stops at Stop D towards East Ham, the same stop as buses towards East Ham and Barking. Route 474: Stops at Stop C towards Canning Town, the same stop as buses towards Stratford and Prince Regent Route N551: Stops at Stop D towards Gallions Reach. There's very slight justification as to why these were picked. The 376 stopping at D provides common stop with routes towards East Ham, as the 376 goes there. But I don't think anyone actually going East Ham from Beckton would dare step on that route unless they have more than an hour of nothing to do. The 474 stopping at Stop C provides common stops with the 300 towards Canning Town and Prince Regent, although both routes go completely different ways. Although the 262 and N551 have no logic at all behind them. This obviously does mean that every single route that previously used Stop B now has a completely different stop. Not a single one shares which is just utterly absurd. I have suggested in the past that certain routes could skip the bus station to take some pressure off. I wonder how practical it would be to build a bus stop opposite stop H to help take further pressure off the bus station?
The bus station is always bustling with drivers waiting to take over buses but seems calm on Sundays but getting a different story on weekdays in the peaks.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 1, 2022 19:15:24 GMT
Someone at TfL HQ still seems to be losing sleep over the stand situation at Beckton and has probably come up with the most silly solution to a point nobody could have even thought of it. The solution of standing the 366 at the alighting point seems to have heavily backfired as the route can have 3 buses on stand at a time which means that if any route wants to alight its rear jolts out onto the road. Especially problematic when you have 10.9m BYD buses serving the same stop. As a result the 366 stand has now been moved to its first stop, with the alighting point now a stand for a single 104 bus. Obvious issue here with the 366 standing at its first stop (Stop B), other routes that serve it heading south not can't serve it as all the space is taken up by standing 366s. The most ridiculous solution has been found to deal with all the other routes. Route 262: Skips the bus station towards Gallions Reach, passengers pick up the bus at Stop H just outside the bus station Route 376: Stops at Stop D towards East Ham, the same stop as buses towards East Ham and Barking. Route 474: Stops at Stop C towards Canning Town, the same stop as buses towards Stratford and Prince Regent Route N551: Stops at Stop D towards Gallions Reach. There's very slight justification as to why these were picked. The 376 stopping at D provides common stop with routes towards East Ham, as the 376 goes there. But I don't think anyone actually going East Ham from Beckton would dare step on that route unless they have more than an hour of nothing to do. The 474 stopping at Stop C provides common stops with the 300 towards Canning Town and Prince Regent, although both routes go completely different ways. Although the 262 and N551 have no logic at all behind them. This obviously does mean that every single route that previously used Stop B now has a completely different stop. Not a single one shares which is just utterly absurd. As they say: - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it - to save a penny, the pound was lost Maybe they should have kept the 101 the way it is! And the 262 I think the Gallion's Reach - Sainsbury's section is suffering every time I pass the stops Claps Gate Lane they are rammed no its just the 366.
Whilst we are talking about the east London changed the 304 is still really lightly used between Newham Hospital and Custom House and do wonder what will happen long term with the route.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 1, 2022 20:02:39 GMT
Someone at TfL HQ still seems to be losing sleep over the stand situation at Beckton and has probably come up with the most silly solution to a point nobody could have even thought of it. The solution of standing the 366 at the alighting point seems to have heavily backfired as the route can have 3 buses on stand at a time which means that if any route wants to alight its rear jolts out onto the road. Especially problematic when you have 10.9m BYD buses serving the same stop. As a result the 366 stand has now been moved to its first stop, with the alighting point now a stand for a single 104 bus. Obvious issue here with the 366 standing at its first stop (Stop B), other routes that serve it heading south not can't serve it as all the space is taken up by standing 366s. The most ridiculous solution has been found to deal with all the other routes. Route 262: Skips the bus station towards Gallions Reach, passengers pick up the bus at Stop H just outside the bus station Route 376: Stops at Stop D towards East Ham, the same stop as buses towards East Ham and Barking. Route 474: Stops at Stop C towards Canning Town, the same stop as buses towards Stratford and Prince Regent Route N551: Stops at Stop D towards Gallions Reach. There's very slight justification as to why these were picked. The 376 stopping at D provides common stop with routes towards East Ham, as the 376 goes there. But I don't think anyone actually going East Ham from Beckton would dare step on that route unless they have more than an hour of nothing to do. The 474 stopping at Stop C provides common stops with the 300 towards Canning Town and Prince Regent, although both routes go completely different ways. Although the 262 and N551 have no logic at all behind them. This obviously does mean that every single route that previously used Stop B now has a completely different stop. Not a single one shares which is just utterly absurd. I have suggested in the past that certain routes could skip the bus station to take some pressure off. I wonder how practical it would be to build a bus stop opposite stop H to help take further pressure off the bus station?
The bus station is always bustling with drivers waiting to take over buses but seems calm on Sundays but getting a different story on weekdays in the peaks.
Imagine if the 262 had had to stand there aswell. In regards to the 304 would the freqs of the 304 and 474 be enough for the 101 to be withdrawn and extend the 304 to Wanstead (or put another way divert the 101 at Lonsdale Road to custom House via the 304). Or as all 3 routes needed from Manor Park down to Lonsdale Road junction. If it could cope without one of them then it would remove the need for the 101 to have to stand at Beckton.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 1, 2022 21:13:04 GMT
I have suggested in the past that certain routes could skip the bus station to take some pressure off. I wonder how practical it would be to build a bus stop opposite stop H to help take further pressure off the bus station?
The bus station is always bustling with drivers waiting to take over buses but seems calm on Sundays but getting a different story on weekdays in the peaks.
Imagine if the 262 had had to stand there aswell. In regards to the 304 would the freqs of the 304 and 474 be enough for the 101 to be withdrawn and extend the 304 to Wanstead (or put another way divert the 101 at Lonsdale Road to custom House via the 304). Or as all 3 routes needed from Manor Park down to Lonsdale Road junction. If it could cope without one of them then it would remove the need for the 101 to have to stand at Beckton. The East Ham to Manor Park corridor is very busy so not sure you could remove a route from that section.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 27, 2022 17:23:27 GMT
Someone at TfL HQ still seems to be losing sleep over the stand situation at Beckton and has probably come up with the most silly solution to a point nobody could have even thought of it. The solution of standing the 366 at the alighting point seems to have heavily backfired as the route can have 3 buses on stand at a time which means that if any route wants to alight its rear jolts out onto the road. Especially problematic when you have 10.9m BYD buses serving the same stop. As a result the 366 stand has now been moved to its first stop, with the alighting point now a stand for a single 104 bus. Obvious issue here with the 366 standing at its first stop (Stop B), other routes that serve it heading south not can't serve it as all the space is taken up by standing 366s. The most ridiculous solution has been found to deal with all the other routes. Route 262: Skips the bus station towards Gallions Reach, passengers pick up the bus at Stop H just outside the bus station Route 376: Stops at Stop D towards East Ham, the same stop as buses towards East Ham and Barking. Route 474: Stops at Stop C towards Canning Town, the same stop as buses towards Stratford and Prince Regent Route N551: Stops at Stop D towards Gallions Reach. There's very slight justification as to why these were picked. The 376 stopping at D provides common stop with routes towards East Ham, as the 376 goes there. But I don't think anyone actually going East Ham from Beckton would dare step on that route unless they have more than an hour of nothing to do. The 474 stopping at Stop C provides common stops with the 300 towards Canning Town and Prince Regent, although both routes go completely different ways. Although the 262 and N551 have no logic at all behind them. This obviously does mean that every single route that previously used Stop B now has a completely different stop. Not a single one shares which is just utterly absurd. That's exactly what I was here to complain mention. Thought this would be a temporary measure but it screams 176 to TCR and 15 to Trafalgar Square "temporary". The easiest solution is to create stand space opposite stop D (could squeeze 3 in a cage there), whilst also encroaching on the pavement around stop D. It's absolutely absurd to have the 262 skip the bus station altogether and the rest of the southbound routes scattered so sporadically as it is. A bus station should allow for easy interchanges between routes; post Crossrail changes, it's facilitated the complete opposite at Beckton.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 27, 2022 17:46:33 GMT
Someone at TfL HQ still seems to be losing sleep over the stand situation at Beckton and has probably come up with the most silly solution to a point nobody could have even thought of it. The solution of standing the 366 at the alighting point seems to have heavily backfired as the route can have 3 buses on stand at a time which means that if any route wants to alight its rear jolts out onto the road. Especially problematic when you have 10.9m BYD buses serving the same stop. As a result the 366 stand has now been moved to its first stop, with the alighting point now a stand for a single 104 bus. Obvious issue here with the 366 standing at its first stop (Stop B), other routes that serve it heading south not can't serve it as all the space is taken up by standing 366s. The most ridiculous solution has been found to deal with all the other routes. Route 262: Skips the bus station towards Gallions Reach, passengers pick up the bus at Stop H just outside the bus station Route 376: Stops at Stop D towards East Ham, the same stop as buses towards East Ham and Barking. Route 474: Stops at Stop C towards Canning Town, the same stop as buses towards Stratford and Prince Regent Route N551: Stops at Stop D towards Gallions Reach. There's very slight justification as to why these were picked. The 376 stopping at D provides common stop with routes towards East Ham, as the 376 goes there. But I don't think anyone actually going East Ham from Beckton would dare step on that route unless they have more than an hour of nothing to do. The 474 stopping at Stop C provides common stops with the 300 towards Canning Town and Prince Regent, although both routes go completely different ways. Although the 262 and N551 have no logic at all behind them. This obviously does mean that every single route that previously used Stop B now has a completely different stop. Not a single one shares which is just utterly absurd. That's exactly what I was here to complain mention. Thought this would be a temporary measure but it screams 176 to TCR and 15 to Trafalgar Square "temporary". The easiest solution is to create stand space opposite stop D (could squeeze 3 in a cage there), whilst also encroaching on the pavement around stop D. It's absolutely absurd to have the 262 skip the bus station altogether and the rest of the southbound routes scattered so sporadically as it is. A bus station should allow for easy interchanges between routes; post Crossrail changes, it's facilitated the complete opposite at Beckton. Many buses already get dumped opposite stand D when there is no space in the stands anyway. It causes next to no issue so I can't see why they've just not made a stand there and in turn allowed buses to circle the bus station once to allow them to serve their stops. The issue now is everyone who wants to go towards Gallions Reach is just waiting for the 366 alone and not even considering the 262 as an option.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 28, 2022 14:03:43 GMT
That's exactly what I was here to complain mention. Thought this would be a temporary measure but it screams 176 to TCR and 15 to Trafalgar Square "temporary". The easiest solution is to create stand space opposite stop D (could squeeze 3 in a cage there), whilst also encroaching on the pavement around stop D. It's absolutely absurd to have the 262 skip the bus station altogether and the rest of the southbound routes scattered so sporadically as it is. A bus station should allow for easy interchanges between routes; post Crossrail changes, it's facilitated the complete opposite at Beckton. Many buses already get dumped opposite stand D when there is no space in the stands anyway. It causes next to no issue so I can't see why they've just not made a stand there and in turn allowed buses to circle the bus station once to allow them to serve their stops. The issue now is everyone who wants to go towards Gallions Reach is just waiting for the 366 alone and not even considering the 262 as an option. I mean it's not an issue if you go to the Beckton Station stop for the 262 and 366. Oh wait, you have to unnecessarily exit the bus station for the change...
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Post by YX10FFN on Aug 30, 2022 0:39:25 GMT
The 241 will extend to Royal Wharf on the 24th September, according to londonbusroutes.net
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Post by Busboy105 on Aug 30, 2022 6:36:45 GMT
The 241 will extend to Royal Wharf on the 24th September, according to londonbusroutes.net It's been pushed back?
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Post by WH241 on Aug 30, 2022 7:55:31 GMT
The 241 will extend to Royal Wharf on the 24th September, according to londonbusroutes.net It's been pushed back? There was never any 100% confirmed date. It was subject to works being complete at Royal Wharf. The extension is very minor in the scheme of things and to be honest can’t see it being a massive success but time will tell.
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Post by Busboy105 on Aug 30, 2022 9:10:17 GMT
There was never any 100% confirmed date. It was subject to works being complete at Royal Wharf. The extension is very minor in the scheme of things and to be honest can’t see it being a massive success but time will tell. I think it will help the Royal Wharf residents and gives them a good link to Westfield
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