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Post by 15002 on Aug 17, 2018 10:25:32 GMT
Results for the consultation for East London Crossrail is out: consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/elizabeth-line/North East London We will proceed with the changes as consulted on for routes 25, 300, 330 and 474. With regard to other routes consulted on, we will be making the following changes: Route 104 – as consulted on, the route will be split into two overlapping routes numbered 104 and 304. However, route 304 will operate at a frequency of every 12 minutes, rather than every 10 minutes. Route 241 – will be withdrawn from Hermit Road as consulted on and will terminate at Custom House station. However, the extension from Stratford City to Here East will not be introduced. Route 115 – the proposed changes will not go ahead. Route 497 – it is currently expected to introduce the new service when the second stage of the Elizabeth line opens and when the Kings Park development is further progressed. Further consideration will be given to the frequency of the service and an announcement made nearer the time. Although not consulted upon, the consultation also referred to frequency increases on route 174 and double decking route 256. Both these schemes will be kept under review and demand on these routes will continue to be monitored.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 17, 2018 10:31:01 GMT
Glad the 115 is not going ahead and the 241 to Here East but very disappointed by the 25. No surprises the 304 will now be every 12 rather then 10 mins
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Post by ronnie on Aug 17, 2018 10:49:59 GMT
Results for the consultation for East London Crossrail is out: consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/elizabeth-line/North East London We will proceed with the changes as consulted on for routes 25, 300, 330 and 474. With regard to other routes consulted on, we will be making the following changes: Route 104 – as consulted on, the route will be split into two overlapping routes numbered 104 and 304. However, route 304 will operate at a frequency of every 12 minutes, rather than every 10 minutes. Route 241 – will be withdrawn from Hermit Road as consulted on and will terminate at Custom House station. However, the extension from Stratford City to Here East will not be introduced. Route 115 – the proposed changes will not go ahead. Route 497 – it is currently expected to introduce the new service when the second stage of the Elizabeth line opens and when the Kings Park development is further progressed. Further consideration will be given to the frequency of the service and an announcement made nearer the time. Although not consulted upon, the consultation also referred to frequency increases on route 174 and double decking route 256. Both these schemes will be kept under review and demand on these routes will continue to be monitored. And the changes to the 25 go ahead despite the following: Changes to route 25 (439 responses) 16 per cent supported or strongly supported 44 per cent opposed or strongly opposed What's the point in consulting I wonder...
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Post by 15002 on Aug 17, 2018 10:58:42 GMT
Results for the consultation for East London Crossrail is out: consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/elizabeth-line/North East London We will proceed with the changes as consulted on for routes 25, 300, 330 and 474. With regard to other routes consulted on, we will be making the following changes: Route 104 – as consulted on, the route will be split into two overlapping routes numbered 104 and 304. However, route 304 will operate at a frequency of every 12 minutes, rather than every 10 minutes. Route 241 – will be withdrawn from Hermit Road as consulted on and will terminate at Custom House station. However, the extension from Stratford City to Here East will not be introduced. Route 115 – the proposed changes will not go ahead. Route 497 – it is currently expected to introduce the new service when the second stage of the Elizabeth line opens and when the Kings Park development is further progressed. Further consideration will be given to the frequency of the service and an announcement made nearer the time. Although not consulted upon, the consultation also referred to frequency increases on route 174 and double decking route 256. Both these schemes will be kept under review and demand on these routes will continue to be monitored. And the changes to the 25 go ahead despite the following: Changes to route 25 (439 responses) 16 per cent supported or strongly supported 44 per cent opposed or strongly opposed What's the point in consulting I wonder... More proof that TFL don’t listen to the people :/ honestly should of adjusted it and terminated at least to Holborn but that would be too kind... My overall thought of the results: I think pretty much everything except the 25 and the 241 curtailment is pretty solid for TFL. Also interesting to note that the 497 could possibly be implemented at a later date, but I’m not gonna hope too much.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 17, 2018 11:09:38 GMT
So, to summarise, what TfL have done is 1. Basically make no changes to their plans. 2. Looked in the piggy bank and gone "oh sh*t" and cut back a load of the planned frequencies. 3. Blamed highway authorities and developers for "not being ready" to allow for extended bus services whereas the reality is TfL have no money for the changes. 4. Taken forever to decide on few changes of any great merit or benefit and probably compromised the ability for any of these changes to be made on time. 5. Have done a clever tactic of only quoting the "strongly support" or "strongly oppose" percentages rather than the full spread of respondents' views. Neat. Oops - got that wrong. Problem of reading too a page too quickly. 6. Still haven't decided what to do with the 112 rerouting near North Ealing. 7. Have ended up introducing a worse service than was actually consulted on - how does that work then? It's a con trick. Pleased that my guess about the 497 not being scrapped has been proved right. Slightly concerned it's kicked down the road by at 6 or even 12 months (what is phase 2 of Crossrail? given there are actually 5 phases and phase 2 was taking over Paddington - Heathrow services in May 2018). Overall I can't get overly excited by any of this really. I thought most of it was dreadful and now a fair slice of it will be worse than planned. Being selfish I'm glad I'm not really affected by much of this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 11:10:42 GMT
Looks like I get new buses in the form of the 474 then.
241 will be a tiny route and imo won't justify deckers long term.
Can't see any confirmed start dates so assume still 8th Dec.
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Post by 15002 on Aug 17, 2018 11:25:42 GMT
So, to summarise, what TfL have done is 1. Basically make no changes to their plans. 2. Looked in the piggy bank and gone "oh sh*t" and cut back a load of the planned frequencies. 3. Blamed highway authorities and developers for "not being ready" to allow for extended bus services whereas the reality is TfL have no money for the changes. 4. Taken forever to decide on few changes of any great merit or benefit and probably compromised the ability for any of these changes to be made on time. 5. Have done a clever tactic of only quoting the "strongly support" or "strongly oppose" percentages rather than the full spread of respondents' views. Neat. 6. Still haven't decided what to do with the 112 rerouting near North Ealing. 7. Have ended up introducing a worse service than was actually consulted on - how does that work then? It's a con trick. Pleased that my guess about the 497 not being scrapped has been proved right. Slightly concerned it's kicked down the road by at 6 or even 12 months (what is phase 2 of Crossrail? given there are actually 5 phases and phase 2 was taking over Paddington - Heathrow services in May 2018). Overall I can't get overly excited by any of this really. I thought most of it was dreadful and now a fair slice of it will be worse than planned. Being selfish I'm glad I'm not really affected by much of this. Reading the East London consolation response, the 497 is supposedly getting introduced around May 2019. “We currently expect to introduce route 497 from May 2019 when the Elizabeth line serving Harold Wood station opens more fully and when the Kings Park development is more complete.”
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Post by snoggle on Aug 17, 2018 11:35:10 GMT
Pleased that my guess about the 497 not being scrapped has been proved right. Slightly concerned it's kicked down the road by at 6 or even 12 months (what is phase 2 of Crossrail? given there are actually 5 phases and phase 2 was taking over Paddington - Heathrow services in May 2018). Reading the East London consolation response, the 497 is supposedly getting introduced around May 2019. “We currently expect to introduce route 497 from May 2019 when the Elizabeth line serving Harold Wood station opens more fully and when the Kings Park development is more complete.”[/quote] Ta - so, in reality, when Phase 4 of Crossrail happens. Doesn't look very professional when one bit of TfL doesn't know what another part is doing. The phases have been well documented and clearly set out in any number of Crossrail Transition papers which have been to the TfL Board.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 17, 2018 12:47:17 GMT
And the changes to the 25 go ahead despite the following: Changes to route 25 (439 responses) 16 per cent supported or strongly supported 44 per cent opposed or strongly opposed What's the point in consulting I wonder... More proof that TFL don’t listen to the people :/ honestly should of adjusted it and terminated at least to Holborn but that would be too kind... My overall thought of the results: I think pretty much everything except the 25 and the 241 curtailment is pretty solid for TFL. Also interesting to note that the 497 could possibly be implemented at a later date, but I’m not gonna hope too much. Leaving the 256 with single deckers could come back to bite them given the current loadings whilst the 330 has simply been left to terminate in the middle of nowhere & the 497 delayed - quite a mixed bunch of results overall personally.
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Post by cl54 on Aug 17, 2018 12:51:43 GMT
Pleased that my guess about the 497 not being scrapped has been proved right. Slightly concerned it's kicked down the road by at 6 or even 12 months (what is phase 2 of Crossrail? given there are actually 5 phases and phase 2 was taking over Paddington - Heathrow services in May 2018). Reading the East London consolation response, the 497 is supposedly getting introduced around May 2019. “We currently expect to introduce route 497 from May 2019 when the Elizabeth line serving Harold Wood station opens more fully and when the Kings Park development is more complete.” Ta - so, in reality, when Phase 4 of Crossrail happens. Doesn't look very professional when one bit of TfL doesn't know what another part is doing. The phases have been well documented and clearly set out in any number of Crossrail Transition papers which have been to the TfL Board.[/quote] It will be the second stage of the Elizabeth line as opposed to 4 Crossrail phases.
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Post by 15002 on Aug 17, 2018 12:56:46 GMT
More proof that TFL don’t listen to the people :/ honestly should of adjusted it and terminated at least to Holborn but that would be too kind... My overall thought of the results: I think pretty much everything except the 25 and the 241 curtailment is pretty solid for TFL. Also interesting to note that the 497 could possibly be implemented at a later date, but I’m not gonna hope too much. Leaving the 256 with single deckers could come back to bite them given the current loadings whilst the 330 has simply been left to terminate in the middle of nowhere & the 497 delayed - quite a mixed bunch of results overall personally. It’s a bit contradicting considering someone mentioned a while back that the 256 was converting into a double decker in September. 100% agree though about leaving the 256 into a single decker is a bad idea, as someone who used to use this bus everyday to commute to my college, it was always packed.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 17, 2018 16:35:01 GMT
With the 115 diversion via Whitechapel no longer going ahead, a simple solution could be to just install some stops on the D3 by Whitechapel Station. It already passes by, but there is no stop close enough.
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Post by frank on Aug 17, 2018 21:41:16 GMT
I’ve just posted this on Diamondgeezer...
I compare the 25 cutback to Holborn Circus to a cheapo easyjet/Ryanair flight to an airport miles out from the city centre. Somewhere in between Somewhere and Nowhere.
I said this years ago on other forums, and maybe even here (diamondgeezer) about the 25. Being London’s biggest bus route I view it as symbolic in so many ways.
The assault of the super cycle highway in around the Stratford to Bow corridor ripping out excellent bus priority made me stand up and say, “if TfL can do this to their by far number one route in terms of patronage, they’ll make light work of callously axing anything else”.
Despite TfL’s claim, Crossrail will not take away passengers from 25. TfL’s cycle stragies which could easily have been more bus friendly, and failure to properly regulate this huge expansion of private hire vehicles which is quite frankly unsustainable for London’s Roman based road network have already done so. This next cutback to, somewhere in between somewhere and nowhere, will only serve to assist the would be 25 customers to opt for another mode, or not travel at all.
And on the basis of opting not to travel, well considering 25 serves the shopping arena that be Oxford Street, what does this mean a for UK’s no.1 shopping street in these difficult times verses the online retail giants, and current state of confusion regarding brexit. Have the New West End company really taken this lightly? Surely a cut to TCR rather than somewhere in between somewhere and nowhere serves, the passengers, businesses, workers, economy better as well allowing TfL to save on some resources (I appreciate £700m deficit)?
44% of users rebuked this change in the ‘consultation’, with only 16% in favour. Hmmm, I think that it’s clear to suggest TfL that you are onto a bad idea, that does not serve well those who actually use the service. Therefore clearly, not “every journey matters”
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 18, 2018 6:24:33 GMT
Tbh even with the priority measured watered down around Bow the 25 is actually still fairly quick. Completely ignore the ridiculously high journey times tfl give (may have been timetabled during the many diversions in the city, I don't know) but iv done many times Stratford to Oxo and it has taken taken 65 - 70 mins not the 94 mins given from Stratford Centre to Oxo. Also the many many 25s iv passed in the opposite direction has probably 95% of the time been heading to Ilford with so few turns.
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Post by sid on Aug 18, 2018 7:46:42 GMT
I’ve just posted this on Diamondgeezer... I compare the 25 cutback to Holborn Circus to a cheapo easyjet/Ryanair flight to an airport miles out from the city centre. Somewhere in between Somewhere and Nowhere. I said this years ago on other forums, and maybe even here (diamondgeezer) about the 25. Being London’s biggest bus route I view it as symbolic in so many ways. The assault of the super cycle highway in around the Stratford to Bow corridor ripping out excellent bus priority made me stand up and say, “if TfL can do this to their by far number one route in terms of patronage, they’ll make light work of callously axing anything else”. Despite TfL’s claim, Crossrail will not take away passengers from 25. TfL’s cycle stragies which could easily have been more bus friendly, and failure to properly regulate this huge expansion of private hire vehicles which is quite frankly unsustainable for London’s Roman based road network have already done so. This next cutback to, somewhere in between somewhere and nowhere, will only serve to assist the would be 25 customers to opt for another mode, or not travel at all. And on the basis of opting not to travel, well considering 25 serves the shopping arena that be Oxford Street, what does this mean a for UK’s no.1 shopping street in these difficult times verses the online retail giants, and current state of confusion regarding brexit. Have the New West End company really taken this lightly? Surely a cut to TCR rather than somewhere in between somewhere and nowhere serves, the passengers, businesses, workers, economy better as well allowing TfL to save on some resources (I appreciate £700m deficit)? 44% of users rebuked this change in the ‘consultation’, with only 16% in favour. Hmmm, I think that it’s clear to suggest TfL that you are onto a bad idea, that does not serve well those who actually use the service. Therefore clearly, not “every journey matters” Why would 16% of people be in favour of it? Surely it's the sort of thing people will either object to or not be bothered either way? I think the 25 should go to Holborn Station but it was inevitable that the Oxford Circus section would go when Crossrail opened although the N25 will still go there and it could have been a lot worse, the 25 could have been cut back to Bank of even Aldgate.
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