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Post by COBO on Dec 8, 2019 19:39:41 GMT
I don’t know why they couldn’t change at Hammersmith Bus Station either. In theory all King Street routes terminating at Hammersmith could terminate at the Lower bus station. H91 can use old 209 stand 267 can use old 419 stand 391 could probably share the same stand as the 533 normally only one 533 ever on the stand at one given point. 283 and 218 can stand where they currently do. Although having the 190 still using the upper bus station when all the others are using the lower bus station seems a bit silly. 190 is a good idea but it would have the pattern as the 72 and have the Richmond bound bus going via the Upper Bus Station and the West Brompton going via the Lower Bus Station.
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Post by george on Dec 8, 2019 19:49:11 GMT
In theory all King Street routes terminating at Hammersmith could terminate at the Lower bus station. H91 can use old 209 stand 267 can use old 419 stand 391 could probably share the same stand as the 533 normally only one 533 ever on the stand at one given point. 283 and 218 can stand where they currently do. Although having the 190 still using the upper bus station when all the others are using the lower bus station seems a bit silly. 190 is a good idea but it would have the pattern as the 72 and have the Richmond bound bus going via the Upper Bus Station and the West Brompton going via the Lower Bus Station. and that's where the problem lies all buses down king street using the lower bus station apart from the 190. The routes could go back up to the bus station going via the one way system but then they are needlessly going to be stuck in traffic not only once but twice.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 8, 2019 19:55:41 GMT
Agreed. Make sense I suppose because the Upper Bus Station is full. They should move a route from the Upper Bus Station to the Lower Bus Station like the 267 or H91 and then move the 27 to the Upper Bus Station. Went on the 306 earlier only a very short trip from Acton old town to First Avenue bus was packed, 306 on the other hand was pretty much empty obviously far to early to really talk about loadings on the route but just an early observation. Previously suggested the idea of the 27 terminating at the low bus station but someone said it wouldn't work as you would still need king street for a common stop to change for routes down Chiswick High Road, not sure what the problem was with changing at Hammersmith bus station but anyhow. Before Hammersmith Bridge closure and the changes with all the routes I'm sure TfL would have decided to terminate the route at the bus station rather than Hammersmith Grove but obviously at the time there was no space. I can see the 207 getting hammered between Askew Road and Acton, I'll get the route at Shepherd's Bush to see how its doing tomorrow. The 218 change seems to have already been a catastrophe, and the frequency seems woefully inadequate for Acton-Hammersmith travel, which needs a frequent every 8min service whilst West Acton can cope with 4bph easily. I'm not sure how keen residents will be on getting a 218 then changing to a 260/440 to reach ASDA, will see in future how popular that change becomes.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 8, 2019 19:58:03 GMT
190 is a good idea but it would have the pattern as the 72 and have the Richmond bound bus going via the Upper Bus Station and the West Brompton going via the Lower Bus Station. and that's where the problem lies all buses down king street using the lower bus station apart from the 190. The routes could go back up to the bus station going via the one way system but then they are needlessly going to be stuck in traffic not only once but twice. The lack of a common stop for Askew Road really is lamentable. If TfL can send the 533 via the Upper Bus Station then surely they can do the same for the 218. I have to say if I am getting a bus home from Hammersmith now, having a common stop towards Acton, Chiswick, Kew Bridge, and Brentford is quite useful.
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 9, 2019 9:57:43 GMT
and that's where the problem lies all buses down king street using the lower bus station apart from the 190. The routes could go back up to the bus station going via the one way system but then they are needlessly going to be stuck in traffic not only once but twice. The lack of a common stop for Askew Road really is lamentable. If TfL can send the 533 via the Upper Bus Station then surely they can do the same for the 218. I have to say if I am getting a bus home from Hammersmith now, having a common stop towards Acton, Chiswick, Kew Bridge, and Brentford is quite useful. I expect it will happen in time. Probably when they decide to get rid of the ailing 23 which often leaves Hammersmith close to empty.
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 9, 2019 10:00:14 GMT
Agreed. Make sense I suppose because the Upper Bus Station is full. They should move a route from the Upper Bus Station to the Lower Bus Station like the 267 or H91 and then move the 27 to the Upper Bus Station. Went on the 306 earlier only a very short trip from Acton old town to First Avenue bus was packed, 306 on the other hand was pretty much empty obviously far to early to really talk about loadings on the route but just an early observation. Previously suggested the idea of the 27 terminating at the low bus station but someone said it wouldn't work as you would still need king street for a common stop to change for routes down Chiswick High Road, not sure what the problem was with changing at Hammersmith bus station but anyhow. Before Hammersmith Bridge closure and the changes with all the routes I'm sure TfL would have decided to terminate the route at the bus station rather than Hammersmith Grove but obviously at the time there was no space. I think you mean you went on the 218 earlier.
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 9, 2019 10:02:58 GMT
Agreed. Make sense I suppose because the Upper Bus Station is full. They should move a route from the Upper Bus Station to the Lower Bus Station like the 267 or H91 and then move the 27 to the Upper Bus Station. Went on the 306 earlier only a very short trip from Acton old town to First Avenue bus was packed, 306 on the other hand was pretty much empty obviously far to early to really talk about loadings on the route but just an early observation. Previously suggested the idea of the 27 terminating at the low bus station but someone said it wouldn't work as you would still need king street for a common stop to change for routes down Chiswick High Road, not sure what the problem was with changing at Hammersmith bus station but anyhow. Before Hammersmith Bridge closure and the changes with all the routes I'm sure TfL would have decided to terminate the route at the bus station rather than Hammersmith Grove but obviously at the time there was no space. Ironically buses on route 27 have been standing at the Lower Bus Station over the last few weeks, maybe the Hammersmith Grove stand was out of action.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 9, 2019 11:23:15 GMT
Whilst there is stand space in the bus station the 27 may aswell stand there to avoid the traffic along King Street endured by the 27 just to reach the stand.
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Post by kenmet on Dec 9, 2019 11:28:28 GMT
The lack of a common stop for Askew Road really is lamentable. If TfL can send the 533 via the Upper Bus Station then surely they can do the same for the 218. I have to say if I am getting a bus home from Hammersmith now, having a common stop towards Acton, Chiswick, Kew Bridge, and Brentford is quite useful. I expect it will happen in time. Probably when they decide to get rid of the ailing 23 which often leaves Hammersmith close to empty. It is remarkable how dead the 23 is on the Hammersmith to Hyde Park Corner common section compared to the 9 which is obviously a familiar route number to many people whilst the 23 isn't and the Westbourne Park destination with no via points give little clue to its routing.
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Post by george on Dec 9, 2019 13:12:50 GMT
Went on the 306 earlier only a very short trip from Acton old town to First Avenue bus was packed, 306 on the other hand was pretty much empty obviously far to early to really talk about loadings on the route but just an early observation. Previously suggested the idea of the 27 terminating at the low bus station but someone said it wouldn't work as you would still need king street for a common stop to change for routes down Chiswick High Road, not sure what the problem was with changing at Hammersmith bus station but anyhow. Before Hammersmith Bridge closure and the changes with all the routes I'm sure TfL would have decided to terminate the route at the bus station rather than Hammersmith Grove but obviously at the time there was no space. I think you mean you went on the 218 earlier. I did indeed, edited the post.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 9, 2019 13:20:01 GMT
With the exception of the Hammersmith/Kensington link to Marble Arch there really is little purpose to the route of the 23 as the 27/28/295/328 all provide quicker alternatives. I'm guessing TFL weighed up thou usegse and felt 2 routes are needed between HPC and Hammersmith otherwise they would have simply axed the 10 and said the 9/73/390 provide enough capacity and the hopper fare. Thou that would leave a gap thou between the 9 and 390 to complete the old 10 so possibly another reason it survived. The 23 could have simply been withdrawn between MA and Aldwych.
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Post by kenmet on Dec 9, 2019 13:32:29 GMT
With the exception of the Hammersmith/Kensington link to Marble Arch there really is little purpose to the route of the 23 as the 27/28/295/328 all provide quicker alternatives. I'm guessing TFL weighed up thou usegse and felt 2 routes are needed between HPC and Hammersmith otherwise they would have simply axed the 10 and said the 9/73/390 provide enough capacity and the hopper fare. Thou that would leave a gap thou between the 9 and 390 to complete the old 10 so possibly another reason it survived. The 23 could have simply been withdrawn between MA and Aldwych. A modest frequency increase on the 9 and the 23 can be cut back to Marble Arch or rerouted somewhere else.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 9, 2019 13:39:45 GMT
The load was probably shared between the 9 and 10 as some wanted Green Park and Aldwych and some wanted Oxford Street, Euston and Kings X. People for Oxford Circus probably take the 9 and walk up Regent Street and for Tott Ct Rd take the 9 then 14/19/38.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 9, 2019 14:33:43 GMT
With the exception of the Hammersmith/Kensington link to Marble Arch there really is little purpose to the route of the 23 as the 27/28/295/328 all provide quicker alternatives. I'm guessing TFL weighed up thou usegse and felt 2 routes are needed between HPC and Hammersmith otherwise they would have simply axed the 10 and said the 9/73/390 provide enough capacity and the hopper fare. Thou that would leave a gap thou between the 9 and 390 to complete the old 10 so possibly another reason it survived. The 23 could have simply been withdrawn between MA and Aldwych. A modest frequency increase on the 9 and the 23 can be cut back to Marble Arch or rerouted somewhere else. Or even better, admit they’re wrong and reintroduce the 10 but of course, would never happen.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 9, 2019 14:48:18 GMT
It wont happen as Oxford Street is still desired to have less buses along it.
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