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Post by rif153 on Dec 12, 2019 16:40:07 GMT
So the last change that hasn't happened yet is the H32 extension. I foresee yet more passengers using the H98 from Cranford to Hayes. The H98 must be a contender for displaced VHs from the 285. The H98 really could do with deckers to cater for demand for Hounslow-Hayes travel, the problem is that TfL will probably look at the 278 as alleviating pressure on the H98 and may just increase other routes between Hounslow and Harlington Corner instead
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Post by aaron1 on Dec 14, 2019 15:42:19 GMT
What will TFL will do with the 260 it about as long as 266 with they cut that route too if they do that I think that will be cut far as North Action Station and replace be a route Park Royal ASDA to White City
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Post by secretbu5dude on Dec 24, 2019 19:07:59 GMT
So the last change that hasn't happened yet is the H32 extension. I foresee yet more passengers using the H98 from Cranford to Hayes. The H98 must be a contender for displaced VHs from the 285. The 95 & 427 changes haven’t gone ahead either. 95 won't change until the estate is complete (according to a source on the consultation page) and 427's change won't happen until April if I've read right 🤔
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Post by rj131 on Dec 24, 2019 19:13:32 GMT
What will TFL will do with the 260 it about as long as 266 with they cut that route too if they do that I think that will be cut far as North Action Station and replace be a route Park Royal ASDA to White City The 260 seems to be quite a bit more reliable than the 266 though. While not dead by any means it’s a considerably less busy route so dwell times aren’t as bad, don’t think the traffic is as bad either as it avoids Hammersmith. So it seems to be okay as it is. Don’t forget it used to be even longer when it ran to North Finchley but was then cut back to GG and replaced by the 460.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Dec 27, 2019 9:10:37 GMT
What will TFL will do with the 260 it about as long as 266 with they cut that route too if they do that I think that will be cut far as North Action Station and replace be a route Park Royal ASDA to White City The 260 seems to be quite a bit more reliable than the 266 though. While not dead by any means it’s a considerably less busy route so dwell times aren’t as bad, don’t think the traffic is as bad either as it avoids Hammersmith. So it seems to be okay as it is. Don’t forget it used to be even longer when it ran to North Finchley but was then cut back to GG and replaced by the 460. 260 is definitely a better route to drive than the 266 as it has a lot of support by many routes (Harlesden to Park Royal, Park Royal to North Acton, North Acton to Savoy Circus, Savoy Circus to Askew Road/Uxbridge Road and then Uxbridge Road to white city) where the 266 for a long time shared no common roads on key sections (WJ to Acton Horn Lane and then the death corridor of Askew Road to Hammersmith) it doesn’t get hammered as much by passengers and most can disappear off other routes. As mentioned it’s already been shortened and of course the overlapping section on the north end with the 460 means any short turns are not catastrophic. It does the job how it is and probably will survive without a cut.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 30, 2020 19:16:35 GMT
Nearly two months in since these changes were implemented, I wonder how they are doing. Maybe locals could give some insight especially on routes 278 and X140. The 140 when it went to Heathrow was notoriously busy from the first stop at Heathrow. With the implementation of new routes 278 and X140 has the demand shifted to these routes? I have a feeling the X140 may be busier than the 278.
On another note, I can't wait to see in person these new Heathrow routes in June when I will be doing the 285 end to end when Abellio take over the route.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 30, 2020 21:12:37 GMT
That sounds like my cue!
You are spot on that the X140 is miles busier than the 278 but both seem to have effectively split the crowds even with the reduced frequencies for certain stops.
278 is handling the crowds (if you can call them that) just fine even at the height of the peaks services have at max all the seats taken with few if any standing. The routes double deckers only really get their extra capacity used between Heathrow Central and south of the Uxbridge Road other than that its still very lightly loaded (frequently carrying single figures) up to Ruislip excluding the school runs. Apart from the route being quite vulnerable to short tripping (caused by issues on A40 that block back onto Long Ln), it handles the somewhat sparse demand from the Harlington Village area just fine. I haven't really had a chance to see the peak time flows to Hillingdon and West Ruislip stations yet but the journey times from the bottom of Long Ln are a rather decent 8 and 15 mins respectively so definitely have potential.
X140 is proving quite the hit, there aren't many buses that can boast full loadings at the start of the day and even the off peak journeys seem very well used. The 7AM/2PM/10PM flows at Heathrow Central remain an issue such is the harmony of shift patterns at the airport but I would say it is an improvement as when the service is running to time, it is less common now to see people getting left behind.
All in all from the Heathrow perspective, it seems they have made an improvement on what we had before as the crowding situation on the 140 was getting ridiculous and any frequency uplift would have been flatly refused. The rationale that TfL used to split the routes has been vindicated in my opinion as there is spare capacity on both routes with room for growth whilst simultaneously getting away with a frequency reduction.
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Post by COBO on Jan 31, 2020 13:13:03 GMT
That sounds like my cue! You are spot on that the X140 is miles busier than the 278 but both seem to have effectively split the crowds even with the reduced frequencies for certain stops. 278 is handling the crowds (if you can call them that) just fine even at the height of the peaks services have at max all the seats taken with few if any standing. The routes double deckers only really get their extra capacity used between Heathrow Central and south of the Uxbridge Road other than that its still very lightly loaded (frequently carrying single figures) up to Ruislip excluding the school runs. Apart from the route being quite vulnerable to short tripping (caused by issues on A40 that block back onto Long Ln), it handles the somewhat sparse demand from the Harlington Village area just fine. I haven't really had a chance to see the peak time flows to Hillingdon and West Ruislip stations yet but the journey times from the bottom of Long Ln are a rather decent 8 and 15 mins respectively so definitely have potential. X140 is proving quite the hit, there aren't many buses that can boast full loadings at the start of the day and even the off peak journeys seem very well used. The 7AM/2PM/10PM flows at Heathrow Central remain an issue such is the harmony of shift patterns at the airport but I would say it is an improvement as when the service is running to time, it is less common now to see people getting left behind. All in all from the Heathrow perspective, it seems they have made an improvement on what we had before as the crowding situation on the 140 was getting ridiculous and any frequency uplift would have been flatly refused. The rationale that TfL used to split the routes has been vindicated in my opinion as there is spare capacity on both routes with room for growth whilst simultaneously getting away with a frequency reduction. I’m so glad that the X140 is a hit.
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Post by COBO on Mar 20, 2020 23:13:06 GMT
When are the 95 has there extention? And when are routes 427 and H32 going to be rerouted?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 0:05:53 GMT
When are the 95 has there extention? And when are routes 427 and H32 going to be rerouted? Nobody knows yet? It depends on when the works at the Southall Waterside development are complete
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Post by londonboy71 on Mar 26, 2020 7:53:16 GMT
When are the 95 has there extention? And when are routes 427 and H32 going to be rerouted? Nobody knows yet? It depends on when the works at the Southall Waterside development are complete In the present climate probably next year
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 4, 2020 12:13:53 GMT
The 260 seems to be quite a bit more reliable than the 266 though. While not dead by any means it’s a considerably less busy route so dwell times aren’t as bad, don’t think the traffic is as bad either as it avoids Hammersmith. So it seems to be okay as it is. Don’t forget it used to be even longer when it ran to North Finchley but was then cut back to GG and replaced by the 460. 260 is definitely a better route to drive than the 266 as it has a lot of support by many routes (Harlesden to Park Royal, Park Royal to North Acton, North Acton to Savoy Circus, Savoy Circus to Askew Road/Uxbridge Road and then Uxbridge Road to white city) where the 266 for a long time shared no common roads on key sections (WJ to Acton Horn Lane and then the death corridor of Askew Road to Hammersmith) it doesn’t get hammered as much by passengers and most can disappear off other routes. As mentioned it’s already been shortened and of course the overlapping section on the north end with the 460 means any short turns are not catastrophic. It does the job how it is and probably will survive without a cut. Death Corridor? What?
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Post by thewintersoldier on Apr 4, 2020 13:19:18 GMT
260 is definitely a better route to drive than the 266 as it has a lot of support by many routes (Harlesden to Park Royal, Park Royal to North Acton, North Acton to Savoy Circus, Savoy Circus to Askew Road/Uxbridge Road and then Uxbridge Road to white city) where the 266 for a long time shared no common roads on key sections (WJ to Acton Horn Lane and then the death corridor of Askew Road to Hammersmith) it doesn’t get hammered as much by passengers and most can disappear off other routes. As mentioned it’s already been shortened and of course the overlapping section on the north end with the 460 means any short turns are not catastrophic. It does the job how it is and probably will survive without a cut. Death Corridor? What? In terms of the 266 previously being the only bus to serve the Askew Road corridor which is heavily populated and has no assistance from any other routes and has heavy passenger demand particularly in the peaks etc
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Post by COBO on Jan 9, 2022 8:50:57 GMT
Why do TfL delete there or redirect there old consultations.
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Post by busman on Jan 9, 2022 9:27:56 GMT
Why do TfL delete there or redirect there old consultations. TfL changed its consultation platform. Everything is now via “have your say” and archived consultations have not been transferred to the new platform. Consultation documents and web pages are available for download, so it is easy to create a historical record of personal interest. TfL had warning notices on the old platform for about a year before the old data was deleted.
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